What's the deal of Gideon plant having 25+ pallets

I just get my tissues ready for whenever I'm playing killer and get queued up for this map. Here I was thinking the devs learned from previous mistakes when they actually reworked good ol' Ormond, but those cheeky buggers tricked us.

Give Nurse a try.

Because the map is small and pallets can be permanently removed. Gideon had one of the highest kill rates for a very long time, this merely balances it out.

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The thing is the redone Gideons Meat Plant is absolutely and completely Survivor friendly with 5 God pallets I can name off the top of my head, and nearly 30 total pallets as you have pointed out. The reworked map definitely needs to be rebalanced, as it is absolutely disgusting to play killer on it and I rarely defend killer side.

Many people oversimplify the Game as “too many god pallets” but there are also lots of tools for killers to use too, now more than ever. Pallets are the only defence on this map- there are 6 windows that spawn in the game if I remember correctly- an L and T wall in the far corner, a guaranteed long wall/short wall tile, the chute drop, the monitor room window and the rarely used, almost useless window near one of the exit gates. Cross out both the L and T wall windows and the exit gate window because exit gate one is practically useless unless you’re not the best at killer, and the L and T loop is enclosed due to a breakable wall, meaning it has one entrance and exit if that wall is not broken- you should be able to get a guaranteed down if they go in this area unless you make a big mistake. The long wall/short wall tile is far stronger for the killer than the survivor because there are no gaps in the walls, they are complete LoS blockers meaning it is very mindgame-able. The chute drop is interesting, the survivor will always have a stagger (minus BL proc) at the bottom of fall so vaulting behind them will get you a quick down considering there is a relatively weak pallet in that enclosed room OR because that room is in a corner, you can take the stairs next to the room after they vault and follow them as they have to go north, to get back into chase.

Now the pallets. The pallets in the upper centre of the map are strong on one side, weak on the other as the killer can cut across by falling down the stairs. There are also 2 (?) pallets at the bottom of 2 (?) of the stairs that are incredibly weak and should give you no problem unless you’re facing a more than competent survivor. There are a few god pallets but that number drops as they do specific gens, and the more pallets you break, has a bigger and bigger impact on the map.

Zoning is also incredibly easy on the map, with the new breakable walls and just the overall layout, it’s very easy to trap survivors in one room and they will inevitably be downed if you don’t make a huge mistake. Easy way to get a hit is by forcing them into one of these rooms, make them drop the pallet so that they are away from the entrance/make them drop the pallet, get them to rotate to the most advantageous side, then break it so they lose distance, and you will get a down.

Overall, the Game has a lot of pallets, while it seems it’s impossible to down survivors sometimes, it’s possible you are just not using the map to its fullest potential, the map is not just break pallet after pallet, you have to pick your chases carefully, if they have too much distance on you, they might be able to loop around one of the larger loops, so avoid that at all costs. The biggest nerf to the map is how the survivors just aren’t able to chain pallets like they used to, the breakable walls often trap survivors, so use that wisely to tremendously cut down the distance they’re getting when you break the pallet. On a side note, I like the work done to make the map more ranged killer friendly, a lot of the loops have been lowered, and the entire upper middle section no longer has partitions. I don’t think it’s perfect, but it can be an incredibly powerful map, especially with the right killers, rip to some of the more inexperienced nurses though. There is one new God pallet though, that’s right between some boxes and I definitely don’t agree with that one, that one is so random.

Edit: Some of this info can vary slightly with map generation considering the gens close off most rooms and open them when the gen is completed. The L and T wall can be dubious, that room occasionally might be able to not spawn the gen, though from about 10 or so test runs, it’s fairly consistent that the room has a gen in it. (I also edited a few things like upwards to north to make it a bit clearer what I was intending to say)

That exact same problem can be seen in some of the Autohaven maps too, blood lodge is still pallet city and the survivors can run to a loop no problem, but Autohaven also had see-through loops which the survivors can see the killer through, window loops which they can use instead of the pallet, god windows in the office, gas station and the lodge, breakable walls that need to be kicked to put an end to those loops, plus they can have longer chases because they can chain the loops. Not only this, but some of those maps do not cater to slower and ranged killers, particular the maps with the car pile walls, which can be looped almost infinitely with enough distance. This is immensely different from the Game, the survivor does not choose where to go unless you let them. Most loops cannot be safely looped without an enormous amount of distance and they’re easy to mindgame. If you respect a pallet, or miss a swing, you can still catch the survivor going around most of the time because the loops are either unsafe and too short or too long and easy to catch up on.

Balance wise, I don't think much has changed to the Autohaven maps though. Bloodlodge maybe, but that kinda was an insanely strong map for survivors.

If you're talking about deadzones, well those also already existed before and correct me if I'm mistaken but didn't the devs announce that they were aware of the deadzone problem?

Do you have a way to capture this through video or screenshot?

We didn't video or screenshot anything, all I can say is go on custom with a friend using zanshin and windows and literally try it for yourself, you can get more or less pallets.

I’m clearly not paid by BHVR to support them, I too have my fair share of complaints for the company, they prioritise the complete wrong things and make some ludicrous changes but I don’t think the Game is as bad as everyone makes it. It changes from the monotonous gameplay of being looped around the same pallet by good survivors who position themselves well and are to use the window at least 3, if not more depending on things like if they good enough to know how chase initiation works and entity blocker being iffy. The old map still had a high killer win percentage, and now, they’ve reduced the height of loops for ranged killers, they’ve blocked off rooms with breakable walls that are able to completely block off any means of reasonable escape, the loops are generally far more unsafe compared to the old Game, the entire map is far more easy to navigate, it’s far more open which is better for killers with reduced turning like Blight and Hillbilly. The only change that has a complete negative impact on killers is the new god pallet where the forklift loop used to be next to the freezer room. The map still has issues, DbD has a lot of issues in general, but in my honest opinion, it’s not nearly as bad as everyone says it is. The community likes to complain and vent their frustrations out on the forums, I too have done it, so I take posts like these with more than a grain of salt.