Question for Killers - How much is too much?

Infinites got nerfed and replaced with a large amount of pallets being super safe.

Considering, you can finish a gen before the Killer can even walk 2 feet..I would say gen nerf was a failure.

The map reworks so far have been very much survivor sided..As stated before more safe pallet areas.

Keys will not be reworked I will blunt on that one..Unlike moris the useage is more complex..At best we can hope for a Killer who blocks the hatch like a blood warden effect.

As far a Hook breaking, well having people break a hook right in front of your face is cheeso and having people activity body blocking you is clown shoes specially as they break your hook...Note I can still be broken but is not prema gone.

D-strike needed to be gutted because It became basically a free "be a onxoius #########" card without punishment in that version of It.

Object, If they rework it as they say..It would ironically be less a toxic perk for both the killer and the teamates since everyone just stands around when using It and more of a "I know the Killer is using tracking perks" effect..So, kind of a BBQ and chili counter

Dead hard is something I detest..But,only thing I don't like about It is teleporting thou the Killer's hitbox/body...Otherwise I do not hate It that much.

Wanting the nerf spine chill is stupid..Since you can punish people for being chickens when they use It.

There actually was a small nerf to stacking on gens. The slowdown when stacking on gens was increased from 10% to 15%

In which universe gen speed got nerfed?

Anyways, I'm okay with dead hard nerf, not because they can "avoid a hit", is just the time you lose because of that. At same time I'm okay with iris huntress nerf.

About the OP, Its true that neither killers or surivors get satisfied, but nerfs go to both sides (on my perspective, specially killers at least in the last 2 years).

I think the problem is the inability to see how perks - in their current state - can be (and are) abused, which makes it exceptionally difficult for the killer to maintain any kind of ground in the game.

DS currently gives a survivor literally 60-seconds of invulnerability. They can sit on a gen and crank it out, thus pushing forward their objectives. They also literally get a free escape if they happen to have been hooked somewhat near the gate and somehow get off... the killer cannot pick them up and they crawl away.

Now compare that with PGTW which got nerfed to 45 seconds. The killer has to scout the map to find a gen worthwhile to use it on to get any use out of it, whilst ignoring other survivors and chases, etc. In a lot of cases it literally comes down to "do I chase this guy I've come across, or go exploring?", and even if they go exploring its likely the gen they'd want to use it on might pop by the time they get there.

How in the world is it fair for a survivor who can heal themselves, or be healed by any of the other three survivors, to walk around with 60s of invulnerability, but the killer only gets 45s to use their perk or give it up?

Now you might argue that, "oh, the killer can use pop multiple times, there's multiple chances"... true, but he's also battling against 16 perks from the survivors. There could be 4x DS for all he knows.

And when you mix those with borrowed time, unbreakable, adrenaline, and OoO on comms (which extends one perk slot to all survivors if they're on comms), you can see how the game becomes survivor sided and the killer literally has to sweat in order to assert some kind of dominance.

The killer is supposed to be a character that's feared, that you run from. But with the current setup, more often than not (at experienced level of play), survivors see the killer as a plaything, because they've got a multitude of perks that'll keep giving them second chances if the killer does manage to get a hit on one.

The game should be about skill and tactics... not about which perk you necessarily brought, or how many crutches you're able to use.

And ruin got nerfed too, same with pop. If they nerf gen progression/regression in both sides the situation doesn't change at all.

Lol derp

Get your sleep kids. As i just demonstrated it's not good for your brain if you don't

I mean, god loops were ingame for four years, even though people begged for change. I don't think that's 'catering' to every single person. Considering it takes months, if not years, for ANY changes to come to light, I don't see where you think they're catering, Yes, there's a lot of whining. People want Iron Will to be changed, for goodness sake, but on the other end, other people claim BBQ is OP. That doesn't mean it'll be changed.

There's, what, 50k player population at peak hours? That's a LOT of opinions and beliefs. The forums are a way to both express and vent those. Sure, some pick up and catch on, others just die away.

Where you around last year, just after the Nurse nerf was announced, when every week there were dozens of threads for any chosen killer that needed to be brought up to the chopping block? Think Deathslinger levels we had a few months back. Pig was cried over. Wraith was moaned about. Hell, my Plague was thought to be 'broken' and 'overpowered.'

My point is, in a multiplayer game where thousands of people congregate, there will always be ideas, good and bad. The forums are just a way to talk about that. Some people take nerfs as a sign that more are coming. Most are bad, but some are good. At least, in the long run. I'm still questioning the devs judgement on a few changes they've made.

No. I don't bother me to write here, because the only kind of players who re being heard of devs, are the killers.

Actual Dstrike has gone thou many changes thou the years..But,before this verson It has had 2 buffs to make up for the nerfs..The verson that was out before this nerf was very close to how It originally was. A free ######### you to the killer But, only with a time limit added.

Dstrike is a perk that really was never well thought out.

I would debate that If we are talking whine survivors and killers have different whine tactics. If we are talking worst of the worst.

Killer straight up just #########. They get the short end and ######### about getting It. The contrast is Killers admit they are butthurt.

Survivors acts smug and like toshit talk killers when they get things nerf calling whiners and what not, But turn into caillou when It is their time for a nerf batting and usually try to deny "Butthurt".

its easier to blame the game than thinking that they aren't good.

The map reworks are nessecary for rebalancing tiles so survivors can't just run to tile, drop pallet, run to next tile, and do that until all gens are finished. Old ormond was notorious for chaining safe tiles together and while it wasn't impossible to win on old ormond, it was certainly a pain dealing with survivors employing that tactic since there's no area to outplay them.

DS changes were never a high priority for me, but the changes they showed us should only remove the abuse factor that was an annoyance to deal with. So I'm fine with that.

OoO is pretty much the only perk that I ever felt needed to be changed. It's just not a healthy perk for the game, because the downside is 100% in the control of the survivor and the perk provides constant information about the killer and their current actions. While blindness and undetectable can counter OoO. Blindness is weak itself that it rarely is justified bringing just to deal with OoO and undetectable still is soft countered by OoO as the icon still lets the survivor know which direction you are in.

Keys can be annoying when multiple survivors escape after 3 genning themselves, but again like DS never felt that it was a big enough deal that demanded an immediate change to it. Still devs already said they plan to rework keys and I have no issues if they do.

As far as the current Dead Hard nerf posts are. I just don't see the issue. I played against a group of survivors last night who all had dead hard and still 4K'd them with only 1 or 2 gens finished.

If you're rank 1 in both then you should understand how horribly balanced this game is. The difference between solo and swf play is astronomical. A gen takes 80 seconds to complete solo. How long do you think it should take to find, down, and hook a survivor reasonably assuming 4 good survivors(good map knowledge, good at looping, good at communicating) at the start of the game? Anything in the realm of 50-60 seconds and guess what, you got 1/12 hooks and good survivors just completed(or almost completed) 3/5 gens. That said we are all familiar with leading a killer on a chase for 40 seconds+ only to see zero progress done on gens in solo. The question is, is this just a casual party game where balance doesn't really matter or are they trying to be something competitive. You have two completely different points of view depending on what you respond with. Also to your point about dead hard, no one uses it for the i-frames, it's used for distance to get to a window or pallet.

Also if you trying to justify infinites...again...gens take 80 seconds to complete solo. If killers just have to 'give up' chases and 12 hooks are still a thing then the math doesn't check out, there is literally no way to win/get kills against a good swf assuming you are playing an M1 killer. There is a reason BHVR is so hesitant to release stats/does not give us very specific stats that we would all like to know.