Playing killer seems to be a chore and the fun has gone

Old DS was a 3/4/5 second stun usable from the moment you're picked up.

It was then nerfed to 3/3.5/4 seconds.

Then the Obsession requirement was added. The Obsession could use the perk immidiately, non-Obsessions would need to wiggle to 33% before being able to use the perk.

From here it stayed until the release of the Plague, which I believe was 2.6.0. Here DS got the major overhaul, now being used during the pickup animation however the stun duration was a flat 3 seconds. In addition the perk was only usable for 40/50/60 seconds after an unhook. Patch 2.6.1 made this a 5 second stun to counteract the negative effects Enduring had on the perk. Patch 2.7.0 iirc changed Enduring to only affect part stuns however was more effective in doing so.

This takes us to current day DS.

Patch 4.6.0 will include the future changes to DS, having the perk deactivate when doing anything to progress the game (which I'm a fan of, tbh).

It absolutely is significant to remove pallets.

Map reworks (other than The Game) have always been Survivor nerfs.

A few seconds really matters. Would you rather have a gen take 28 seconds with 4 people or 36?

Toolbox nerf was fairly recent. Less than a year ago and it was a huge deal. Brown toolboxes could last most of a gen.

Keys, DS and OoO have all had their nerfs confirmed. We even got to see what DS will look like (probably).

I am a fan of the new DS.

Still scratching my head as to why the buff to make it 5 seconds (which was specifically for Enduring) wasn't reverted when Enduring was nerfed.

No I have not. I only started dbd when the pandemic started. And it's been killer nerfs.

But I hear it's been heavily survivor nerf prior to that.

Yes A lot things are coming. But it hasn't arrived. That's the point I'm making.

Oh My bad.

One of my buddies mained Old Freddy. Wasn't sure if he was a masochist or enjoyed the challenge.

He also DESPISED old DS. Like, I hated it, but this man took it to a whole new level.

At that point, I would've been maining Wraith and Doctor....but then Legion dropped and I played him instead lol

Ic. But I don't think that was the point I was arguing about.

I was told to not buy killer dlc until the devs nerf it first.

I'm saying how can I forecast that?

Toolbox nerf happened with deathslinger i think. WIth the whole sabo rework, and that was a big nerf.

Ive definetly noticed less pallets and especially a lot gone since the "dinosaur age".

The key and DS nerf is not a "maybe" those are confirmed and coming in like less than a month.

OoO is getting a rework that confirmed just not what itll be

and 4 man gen speed was nerfed by 12seconds which is pretty significant,

LOL OK Karen. I have no issues as killer. You win some - ya lose some - same goes for Survivors.

FYI a "win" as killer doesn't mean 4k - if that is your barometer - that is a YOU issue.

The amount of nerfs on either side doesn't matter. The state of balance does. Killers should be strong enough to be a valid threat while fun enough to make the game enjoyable. Survivors should be strong enough to be a valid threat while not becoming overbearing to the Killer. It's a fine line, and mistakes are going to happen. New strats will need to be monitored and assessed for whether or not they need to be adjusted for the health of the game.

I only ever really have issues when people blindly defend overpowered/bad mechanics or make non-arguments (read: whataboutism, "You don't like {insert problematic mechanic} because you're bad", FNAF request threads, etc...)

Also going to bring this up for funsies, but I DO think there is some argument to be had over the amount of nerfs in this game overall. GENERALLY SPEAKING, it's better to buff some aspects of a game than nerf others, so long as you can proper level the playing field. Nerfs are a thing that will always happen. However, I DO feel that buffing some of the less viable options for both Killer and Survivor would really help make those nerfs feel like they are more acceptable and warranted. There are many Perks on both sides that see almost no use because they are particularly weak. I won't say USELESS, because they DO have a use, but they tend to be marginal at best or have absurd pre-requisites that make them situational to the point of nearly impossible to use. The devs should REALLY look those over and buff them to make them more generally applicable to a match and to provide a more notable impact.

Because 1,3 seconds of the stun are used for the animation alone. Even without Enduring a Killer catched up basically immediatly after getting hit with 3 second-DS. 1,7 seconds are only 7 meter of distance, this is not much.

As long as you are not able to use your DS right at the Exit Gates it was useless back then. And it was also not used with 3 second-Stun.

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Glad we are through this strike, they are indeed listening to Killers. Man, what hard time this strike was!

It got nerfed in the Plague-Chapter (I think, or somewhat around that) and if you look up games from like two weeks after the Chapter, you will not see many DS.

I only used it shortly after the Plague-Release (did not use old DS, thought it was unfair, would certainly not limit myself again these days, lol), but stopped using it until they buffed it, because it was basically pointless.

'playing killer seems to be a chore and the fun is gone'

welcome to playing killer on DBD. either you play meta and get called toxic, or you play who you want and depip every game.

if you want to continue playing the side that is often times screwed over by survivor main devs, removing the link between winning and having fun helps. (AKA you dont need to win to have fun)

or just run the meta perks and leave no man standing. revel in the tears and flames of survivors.

Bruh sometimes it seems like they only listen to killers, what are you talking about? They gave you animations for when we let go of a generator, slow down when a surviver drops while killer stays the same, and basically god like perks like bbq and chilli, and hex: undying, while we get some extra items out of a chest I guess. I say this just because I'm kinda done hearing that survivers have it better. While I'm well aware we definitely don't, I'm still gonna play cause it's fun and so should you. But maybe with a little less of a victim mindset.

I've been enjoying myself with killer. My worst game of last night was a 2K on Mother's Dwelling as Ghostface against what I suspect was a SWF group.