Toxic Surviors in a party together talking via third party and bullying killers.

@CosmicKing_ said:
Stevo said:

Firstly: Paragraphs are a thing.

Secondly, not everyone uses "Third Party Apps". Specifically Console Users - which judging by the tag you've put, you're a PS4 user. PS Party is a thing.

Thirdly, "Show killers who is together and who isn't". That's a disaster waiting to happen if I've ever seen one. Good luck finding a lobby with friends. You can't just say "Oh yeah I've seen this particular thing occur to one side from both perspectives" and then proceed to not think of the repercussions for the side which the problem doesn't affect. That would be the devs shooting themselves in the foot at that stage.

Fourthly, just because people do flashlight saves and bodyblocks doesn't mean they're automatically a SWF group. Don't get me wrong, in a decent amount of cases it is, but by no means always.

Fifthly, Matchmaking is trash when it comes to SWF groups. There doesn't seem to be any set pattern as to what it pairs you with. I play with two friends usually, both in double digit ranks, while I happen to be rank 1. We've been paired with literally anything between ranks 11 and 2. That's an inconsistency in matchmaking more than anything.

Sixthly, there's plenty of tools to help against this sort of thing. While forcing you to use certain perks as killer isn't really a valid point to make, if it's that specifically you have a problem with, consider gaining access to any combination of the following perks:

• Agitation or Iron Grasp for reaching hooks
• Franklin's Demise or Overwhelming Presence to generally stop usage of items
• Lightborn specifically for stopping blinds from Flashlights
• Save The Best For Last or Unrelenting to allow you to use your Melee attack quicker
• Hex: No One Escapes Death to allow you to 1-hit down anyone once the last generator gets completed (provided a dull totem is still available). 

I'm sure there's more than that which could benefit you, but this is at least something to help with your specific issue.

TL;DR - Your argument about killers getting bullied is only partially valid (in my opinion at least), the repercussions that would have on the fanbase would be much more severe. Try using different killers or perk combos to prevent such things happening to the best of your ability.

Thats my opinion on it - won't see any replies for a while, though I'll try to respond again if I find any time to do so tomorrow.

I agree with the perks but they won't always work. Have you been a killer and been bullied by a SWF team? If you have you will know how bad it is. Communication puts you a mile ahead of the killer, anybody can see that, you could be rank 20 only had a few games online and if you are with a friends who are decently good at the game, and you are communicating in whatever way, you have a massive advantage.

Im not saying every SWF team are bad by any means, but in my experience on PS4, majority of the SWF teams are out to annoy you in the worst way possible.

The perk issue even with iron grasp on, if you are being blocked by 2 or 3 other players that still won't help you. Why should I have to remove a perk I really like for iron grasp because of professional body blockers ?

Also about the communications thing, dead by daylight don't have in game communication do they? I wonder why? Maybe because with it you can talk around the killer so very easily.

Another pattern I have found out from watching streamers of dead by daylight is when I'm watching a certain one which is usually SWF player, when they do a day where they play alone,  they generally did bad, that's from what I have seen anyways, because they can't play alone because they don't have somebody to talk with to back them up, that's why solo players will always be better than SWF players because once you're in a routine of speaking to you're friends to come get you, flash the killer, body block, and when you play alone and don't always get that, that's when you realise it'll be harder, I'm not saying that for everyone because I'm sure they are both good solo players and SWF players, this is just my experience from playing on PS4

Also to address you're point, "it would be a disaster waiting to happen", it wouldn't be really would it? Making it so the killer has a choice to play with a SWF team who are potentially going to bully you and be toxic to you, atleast you'll have a choice then to leave or play against them. People who haven't had this done to them won't have a care in the world or won't understand until you play Killer and it happens to you then it's a whole different story. That's the truth.

Why should killers have to put up with this toxicity done to them with body blocking,  flash lightning everytime somebody is down, and butt dancing everytime they do something remotely toxic, but then soon as the killer does something bad back e.g face camping, then it's the end of the world the surviors will hate you forever and you're the bad one, you give, then expect to take it back. That's all I'm saying.

Thank you for the reply also (:

I have indeed been bullied as a killer, as recently as a week ago in fact at rank 6. I don't know, it might just be your bad luck or something but it's very rare I come across survivors who are specifically out to annoy you. Prior to the incident I listed, last time I've been bullied like that was when the Clown came out. Comms do have an effect on a lot of killers, sure, but that doesn't quite justify allowing killers to make queue times even more obscene than they already are in some cases - especially for 3-man SWFs, just because they can immediately assume "Toxic SWF lolnope". Again, like you said, not all killers are like that, plus some killers haven't been bullied hard yet, but I mean given that rank reset, deranking and playing with friends are all things to consider, I'd say that there's a pretty big population of killers who can say they have been bullied.

Perks. I said in my post that it's not a fully valid solution - but if you're having that much of a problem with it, substitute something in for a couple of games and see if a difference can be made. Yes, you may want to use perks you like, but you equally are choosing to not acknowledge that this sort of stuff could happen by doing so. I'm not trying to put you down for your decisions, I'm just trying to offer suggestions to help find a better solution to your specific problem than making queue times longer for those who have done nothing wrong (as in, aren't out to bully you).

In-Game Comms aren't in DBD because they probably wouldn't be used. Let's face it. Any group that you refer to as bullies, will still do their own thing. It wouldn't change anything aside from giving solo players a different way to communicate. Groups who have used other things to communicate will likely continue using it, unless they want to meme around or something. It would be a waste of time on the developers' part.

I completely agree with you on the streamers part. Some of them look like absolute idiots playing the game on their own. That's on the streamer though. If they want to go up ranks with friends, it's on them to be able to adapt to life at their new rank. I myself happen to stream this game on PS4. I did get to rank one for the first time while playing with friends, but I can play at rank 1 mostly fine. Yeah, I have bad games, but so does everyone else.

My point about the disaster waiting to happen I think I've already covered slightly elsewhere. It'll lead to longer queue times, hence players not playing the game for extended periods of time effectively making it a relentless game of chance as to whether you actually get to play the game or not. I recall a stream in particular in the past where I got 4 games in 3 hours not long before this event came out. A game usually take between 10 and 15 minutes. Take about 15-30 minutes for spending bloodpoints, getting lobbies set up, short breaks, viewing the endgame screen and other various reason for not searching for a game, that's still half the stream that was spent searching for a game. The first two games, alarmingly, occurred in the first hour, since I was only with one other person. A third person joined in and lobbies took forever to get into. This isn't even with dodges. Imagine something similar, but with dodges because of an assumption? This is why I'd be leaning towards the against side on your idea.

One thing to note is that obviously some killers already dodge for silly reasons. Prestige Clothing, 4 Claudettes (or any character for that matter, though it happens most with Claudette), Any items whatsoever (not including flashlights, that one I understand), just to name a few. It doesn't happen often at red ranks, but it happens a lot in the green and purple ranks, for some reason. If I were to play SWF with any of my buddies, I'd be subjected to that, simply because I want to play with friends and I happen to be a considerably higher rank than them. Deranking is a thing, but I'd actually be worse off for it, because I'd then fit the noobstomper label.

Why should killers have to put up with so much toxicity? Well, I mean, if someone is being toxic towards you, do it right back. They have no right to complain, and if they do, that's not your problem. You were just giving a taste of their own medicine. Just ignore them and move along. Another thing - personally I don't think Flashlight Saves or Bodyblocking are that toxic. It's just a survivor trying to help another survivor after all. Yeah, there's people who are out to annoy you, but some people seem to forget that it's sometimes just friends trying to help one another. Not be "Toxic" and frustrate the killer intentionally. Same goes with camping. If you know people are around, why should you leave the hook? You're being given a reason to not leave, so why would you? Tunnelling, in my opinion is just being a lazy but effective killer. It's not fun for survivors, but it's just as valid as the flashlights and bodyblocks are, so I mean work away honestly. "Butt Dancing" I can only assume is Teabagging. There's not really much I can say on this topic. Usually it's a sign of the survivor being cocky. If you catch them, make them watch you pitch a tent I suppose if it makes you feel any better? Whatever suits you I guess.

TL;DR - You've slightly misunderstood me on the disaster part - Queue times for SWF would be even longer than they already are outside of event times. Try changing your attitude or playstyle towards certain things, I'm not trying to sound like an ass, but the only way of fixing the issue is trying different things. If someone is toxic against you, why should you care if they complain about you being toxic also? You just played the game indifferently to how they did, what's so special about killer toxicity that survivors can complain about it? You're a killer, you're not supposed to care about the survivors, you're supposed to murder them.

Honestly I just spent like 45 minutes typing this and I don't think I could be bothered with a third essay. There's probably some fallacy in my logic that I haven't noticed but I've tried my best to show why your idea isn't exactly the best way to go about this. I'll try to respond to any small questions or points you may have, but don't expect full blown answers. Can't be bothered as I say. Probably won't be on the forums until way later if not tomorrow anyway. Time for my daily dose of DBD.

DarkWo1f997 said:

Good sir do I have a product for you! 

When beint bullied, simply face camp and nod. You’re in control, not them.  

In my opinion this person correct in every matter survivors in a party and with voice chat can leave the killer at a disadvantaged and with the system of seeing survivors in a group on the lobby screen would work and if you say ''oh i want to play with a freind but they will see us as a group and quit'' well tye devs have stated that the game is ment to set you up with random people and to know how altruistic they will be but playing in a group will destroy the devs thought of that. But to help with the survivors with this issue it could show if they are in a xbox party but not show if their in a survive with friends group. But if the devs are seeing this plz fix hit boxes because so many survivors keep spinning around me as a killer so if wou could make survivor hit boxes kinda wider when running it would fix a HUGE problem because in console its impossible to hit survivors when spinning around me as a kiler. And please just make it so if a survivor sprint vaults a pallet 3 times it breaks to end pallet looping thank you!

Rebel_Raven said:

 DBD was, and is not balanced with coordinated teams in mind.

@Avariku said:
gotta love the blatantly biased views on here. 

just like killers...  "CaMpEiNg Is A lEgIt StRaTeGy"

yea, and being bullied into submission by 4 survivors on comms is just a strategy too. 

both "strategies" are trash and take any semblance if fun out of the game. 

and before you start, I don't mean "comms are unfair" period... I just don't like the way they are currently in use. 

I think it should be open comms heard over a certain distance... I think that would solve a lot of the issues, toxicity be damned.

I don't agree that open comms will fix things. They can just work around it and use the same comms they do now.

Only thing that might change is randos being able to communicate. That might break the game worse, and killers will quit entirely. I know I'd retire as killer if I had to up my game to MLG as killer while survivors go far into easy mode.
As it is comms are absurdly broken, but limited, mostly, to SWFs and console party invites.

@Avariku said:
Other comms need to be limited somehow... this game is not really made for parties to play together with no consequences. (hence it ends up making the game entirely one-sided and not in the way it should be)

If you can think of a way to actually do it, I'm all ears.

Push comes to shove they will probably use their cell phones to connect to discord bypassing any monitoring of the game.

Other than that, I agree with you. SWF is game breaking.

@Rebel_Raven said:
Aka git gud to beat people playing easier matches, and likely doing game breaking strats.

Let's stop pretending that SWF isn't basically as different as night and day from multiple solos.

What is the issue of being told to play better and take advantage of stupid things SWF do?
Sometimes you're going to come across a group of survivors SWF or not that are just better than you.