Why LGBTQ characters are important
I know my example is not DBD related, but ill give it anyways because its the easiest for me to explain.
Some time ago Overwatch "revealed" that soldier 76 is gay. And I really dont care what a characters sexuality is, but i didnt like it at first because it just felt like a buisnes move for me. "oh look how progressive we are, we are such a good company"
So as i said i didnt really like how hey did it, but then I saw how people got crazy about it.
There were so many people that were like "I dont want to play that character anymore because he is gay"
It just showed how many people are homophobic and it blew my mind.
I personally am heterosexual and identify as a staight male therefore I never got in trouble for my sexuality or gender.
But for LGBTQ people this is another story and when the Soldier reveal happened I realised that it really is problematic because of all those homphobes.
People say they dont care what sexuality a character has, yet they say that it doesnt belong in a video game.
I think they care, and they are offended by it, which is good.
Get those people who dont want gay/trans etc characters in the game out of here. And by adding more diverse characters they will be upset.
"But now youre excluding people for having a different opinion"
No im not, these people are not forced to go if a character turns out gay. Its their own problem and maybe people will reflect a bit more when the number of diverse characters increases.
Just my two cents here. If you have enough time for making a discussion about how the sexuallity of video game characters doesnt matter and "you dont care" it shows that you are lying and you actually care and dont want it.
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Thank you.
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What I care about is it being forced and feeling fake..some games get this right , others make it feel like it's forced to appease the minority..and that isn't respectable because it isn't real
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Hi hello yes stan this man, hit the nail on the head.
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How do you tell the difference?
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It’s just as important as having straight characters in the game imo
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Indeed. And since straight characters are already in the game...
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But whos to say we dont already have lgbt characters? We have so many characters, why do any of them need to broadcast their sexuality for it to count?
Keep in mind Heterosexuality isnt expressly represented in the game either. It is just the assumption that unless someone broadcasts that they are different, they must be more of the same.
But they can just as easily subvert that expectation and whos to say they wouldnt? Its because it just wouldnt matter what their sexualities are whatever their sexualities happen to actually be.
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Keep in mind Heterosexuality isnt expressly represented in the game either. It is just the assumption that unless someone broadcasts that they are different, they must be more of the same.
No, it's the devs' own words and the fact that several characters mention heterosexual relationships in their lore.
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Tbh, I was kind of under the impression that, at least, Meg, Claudette, Zarina, Nea, Ace, Felix, and maybe even Dwight fell somewhere on the spectrum. My main survivor characters are Ace, Dwight, Claudette, Jake, and Adam, in that order. I am a straight male. The characters' sexuality, or perception thereof, has never played a part in whether I want to play as them or not. The great thing about a video game that doesn't provide backgrounds on characters preferences are that you can make them whatever they want to be. BHVR doesn't need "HEY ALL LGBTQ PEOPLE PLAY THIS CHARACTER BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST LIKE YOU" bs. Just accept the characters for who and what they are.
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Why would you be against it?
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That argument falls flat when several characters (including Felix, just FYI) have explicitly heterosexual relationships in their lore.
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I guess you missed the "B" in LGBTQ. Just because someone is in a relationship with someone of the opposite sex does not mean they are heterosexual.
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Damn bro may wanna reword this it sounds pretty... yeah, not the best.
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ALL Human = "H. sapiens."
This is actually scientifically written as a scientific name. But some people seem to deny the scientific name altogether, so it's quite awkward.
"All human beings are scientifically named Animalia/Chordata/Mammalia/Primates/Hominidae/Homo/H. sapiens."
😊
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I'm bisexual, so no, I didn't. However, I also said "explicitly heterosexual relationships". Furthermore, the devs themselves said they'd only added relationships pertaining to heterosexual characters.
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I can guarantee you that Orion did not miss the B part of the LGBTQ+ community XD
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Yes, because it's definitely being used in that sense.
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Frankly speaking, referring to "socially sensitive" in the element of "game" is actually one of the right ways. Either "forced" it or. Or if you try to match the settings of the original game by force. Because the game's original setting collapses, it can eventually lead to the game's original meaning fading out.
Also, if you want to mention something socially sensitive,
You just have to make a game based on that.
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no offence but what the hell are you talking about?
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They mean "don't add LGBT people to this game, it's forced, go make your own game". At least that's what I got from their comment.
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Thanks for asking that, I was irritated as well
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The only reason inclusion is "socially sensitive" is because people don't want it, which makes no real sense outside of closeted phobia.
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If you want to talk about sensitive things through games, make a game with that sensitive topic.
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Okay thanks I had no clue where they got most of their words from haha.
Well, it's BHVR's game and they've said they wanna add LGBTQ+ people of their own free will, not too sure how that one's forced? Don't see you complaining about het relationships in the game (directed at Kor).
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to quote myself above:
Well, it's BHVR's game and they've said they wanna add LGBTQ+ people of their own free will, not too sure how that one's forced? Don't see you complaining about het relationships in the game.
They wanna make a game about this 'sensitive' topic and so they can, it's their game and it's their characters.
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Who said that the Trikster was gay anyway? He just looks like an average Korean teenager.
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Council of Geeks on ytube has some wonderful videos on how things can be done well, especially the question of 'characters that happen to be LGBTQ+ vs characters where it is their sole defining factor'
Like, cross your heart, if we'd get a new survivor that is an Oscar Wilde expy who fled their country because of persecution before they did things elsewhere that got the entity's attention, would you really cry bloody murder over this character's sexuality?
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No-one. This topic keeps rearing it's head with each new chapter and tome, and with each new chapter and tome it gets a little more... Intense, I guess? Not quite sure how to put it.
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someone leaked that the character in the next chapter would "heavily focus around being LGBTQ" and everyone lost their #########.
even though that person is known to be incredibly unreliable and made it up for clicks on their malware-infested site for some sweet sweet ad-revenue and actual trustworthy leakers were like "hey yea this is false" once it started and people started showing they don't want an LGBTQ+ character in the game it becae less 'hey he's gay' and more 'okay but why is it bad for it to be in dbd?!'
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it would have taken you just 2 seconds more to find that the 'homo' in homosexual stems from a different language (greek) than the 'homo' in homo sapiens (latin)
Also the current humans are 'homo sapiens sapiens' in latin, something your statement casts doubt on
EDIT: for those genuinely confused and not just being queerphobic trolls:
Homo in homosexual, homogenous stems from 'homos' meaning 'same' in greek
Homo in Homo Sapiens is latin for 'human'
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- For your information, in Korea, Ae-ja was used to demean the other person or the socially disadvantaged person. So these days, people don't put "ja" at the end of the word. Never.
- Homo sapiens sapiens = sapiensIt's correct if you use all of them.
- Homo is also in front of the word symbolizing homosexuals.
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This is a game where sexual orientation is barely mentioned and I can't think of any relationship aside from that between Frank and Julie. For all we know every (non-licensed) survivor could be gay, that's completely up to the player to decide. Unless the sexual orientation of a character is functional to ther lore/persona, it could feel forced and out of place.
Besides, you don't fight homophobia by shoving homosexualy down the throat of homophobes. If anything that would push them even more away.
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Can you please stop changing the entire reply? It's getting confusing.
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they're trying to gaslight us into pretending they are right when all they do is dig themselves in deeper. Want some popcorn while we watch them hoisting themself by their own petard?
David's ex girlfriend is mentioned, Felix has a pregnant girlfriend. That's two already.
Also, it would be a bloody bad idea of the devs to have the first lgbtq+ character be a sadistic, self-righteous godcomplex villain...
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Of the top of my head, Nurse had a husband, David had a girlfriend, Dwight (Edit: Nope, it was Felix, knew something felt off) had a girlfriend, and of courses Frank and Julie.
Or to put it another wayz there have been striaght relationships in the lore for quite some time, and the Devs have been working hard to include all other forms of diversity, so why no LGBT+?
(And yeah, that's kind of the point. Adapt to diversity, or leave.)
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I just find it even funnier that my quotation already exposed them :)
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Felix, not Dweet.
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Ah, thanks I'll change it ;)
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ayep.
Like... seriously.... this is Poe's law on overdrive, because hell knows this person might be serious
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I'm normally one for representation, but personally I find it bizarre how people can be so hung up over things like sexuality in a game that doesn't even have dialogue or meaningful character interactions, never mind romance.
Hell, I don't think the game even implied any kind of real romance between The Legion characters, and they're clearly a bunch of teenagers who don't know how to deal with their raging hormones healthily (I haven't read all their hidden lore tho, but I want no spoilers so just say if I'm wrong and leave it at that).
Is Dwight gay? Maybe, but he's not going to be picking up anyone in the middle of a trial when he can't even say "ouch" when a machete lodges itself in his ribcage. I get that minorities are often starved for the ability to say "oh look, that character is like me!", but does your headcanon really need confirming in this situation?
That being said, BHVR can do whatever the hell they want, I have no objections to them saying "Dwight is gay because he's gay and he doesn't owe you a logical explanation". People, "forced" means that a token minority is thrown in when it literally makes no sense. With the exception of things that would actually clash with the setting/mechanics/whatever (e.g. there's a reason why we don't have any survivors zooming around the map and vaulting in a freakin' wheelchair), these things don't really need much explaining to make the character fit.
Also, I find that story about people shitting their pants and refusing to playing Soldier 76 in Overwatch to be ######### funny. I love how the same people who like throw around the word "snowflake" tend to be the biggest ######### insecure eggshell princes.
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You are wrong with Legion.
also Felix, David, Nurse, Oni. To a lesser extent Ace and Wraith.
people just want equal treatment for LGBTQ+ compared to heterosexual relationships. The devs already confirmed they want to do it as well.
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People want to feel 'seen' as in a feeling of developers saying
'yeah, we know you exists, we acknowledge your existence, you are humans, your are not broken, you are valid'.
The game doesn't need dialogue or romance.
The bigger problem is that (as noted elsewhere) if a sadistic, god-complex killer would be the first lgbtq+ character, there's a issue. Because look at the history of especially hollywood (Hayes Code, for example) that had a character being lgbtq+ as a shorthand for them being evil and that they needed to be destroyed.
AKA exactly the kind of portrayal that people are fed up about and why they want actual representation.
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If LGBTQ+ characters get added then fine, i am not homophobic and i believe people should date / be whoever they want. However, i just feel like this is adding politics into a game that we all love. For example, its already shown how many homophobic people there are and this is gonna create a divide. The devs have already said they want to include it just don't want to rush. Also, a lot of lore for most characters dont say if they are gay or not, use your imagination.
I just don't want this game to become damn politics, i hear enough about it irl.
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The existence of LGBT people is not political. Adding politics would be something wholly different. As for the homophobes, why should the devs kowtow to them?
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How are you feeling about Janes, Yuis or Zarinas lore?
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*looks at deathslinger's backstory*
*looks at yui's backstory*
*looks at Jake's backstory*
*looks at Wraith's backstory*
*looks at Doctor's backstory*
*looks at Jane's backstory*
Yeah... it'd be bad if they added 'politics'....
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Most countries deal with LGBT by making a guide to their own country. In some countries, it's sometimes referred to as a political topic or problem, which is case by case. It's one of the different problems in different countries. It is also true that there are groups that speak out about it. But if it's too abused. Rather, LGBT is recognized as "the beings who cannot come out of the place."
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I'm not offended by it. I really do not care or want sexuality to be a part of a game I play. I play a game for the game, not to roleplay the character I'm playing as being myself, and only playing x character because they're x gender. In saying that I also don't care if a character is gay, straight, or an alien that knocks itself up, but I still don't think it belongs in a video game. It's the equivalent of letting me know a character is a Republican. I don't care how they vote, about their sexual organs, about their sexual preference. Why would I? Maybe you have an argument for race, and impressions on younger people, like superheroes, but no one is going to be inspired by some random character in DBD.
But for those who enjoy the lore, well, it's kind of like those unnecessary sex scenes in movies you kind of wish weren't there, because you're there for the movie and story.
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That’s a completely reasonable way to see it.
but since there are already confirmed heterosexual relationships in the lore there is no reason to exclude LGBT+ in the lore. It won’t change your game or the way you play it at all.
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