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Tier list based on power design
This is without addons
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Why are the twins at the bottom?
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Really don't agree. Nurse's power design is great, being able to teleport through walls is fun! Not talking about balance (she is pretty balanced tbh) but just the design is simple but great and really unique. Also, the fact that she is slower than survivors makes her rely on her power, I wish more killers would come that work like that!
I don't know why Twins need a major rework? They do what they are supposed to do and their design is fantastic, I mean being able to be two killers in one is great.
Spirit doesn't need a rework either. She needs some small changes to give survivors more counterplay but her power should always be the phasewalk and I don't think the devs would every change her power, it's really unique too.
An example for a BAD design is Leatherface. His power can be easily abused for camping, facecamping, camping someone in the basement and he can deny BT because you can always down the unhooker first. Even if survivors get an unhook with BT the person can be downed in 2 chainsaw hits again really easily. Leatherface is just an insane camper and that's not fun for anyone.
Same with PIG. Her power design is HORRIBLE. Her ambush is the least usable killer power of them all, it hardly works on most loops and most pigs who actually crouch to be stealthy just stand up next to a survivor and hit them normally because its more efficient than the ambush attack (BP accumulation is also horrendously low on Pig, and why does she still walk to slowly while crouched?).
The WORST part about Pig however is , that she can get a FREE KILL with her traps. You literally have to do nothing but press M2 on a downed survivor and that's your main power. It requires no skill, most addons are all about traps and with certain combos a survivor will always die when they can't get the trap off in the first 3 tries.
Her being able to get a FREE RNG KILL is insane. I often played survivor and had NO CHANCE of getting the trap off because of bad RNG, big maps and the Pig preventing me from getting off the trap or catching me, hooking me and then I don't even have enough time left to get to a box. It's horribly abusable and should be changed to be a more interactive power.
Freddy's power is also really badly designed. The worst part is that Freddy get's a lot of stuff passively. Survivors fall asleep passively, you literally have to do NOTHING and they get oblivious which makes you an insanely strong stealth killer, most people get caught offguard so often and he has to do nothing to achieve that. He also counters BT completely which is just stupid and can just teleport to gens on command without working for it. If you want to go full BRAIN AFK you throw on the dream pallets addon and you just spam M2 while walking around the map and catch survivors on pallets naturally, there's nothing much you have to do but you get an INSANE amount of value out of it.
I know, dream pallets are not the strongest thing but on an average game against average survivors they are still strong. The main problem I have with the pallets however is, that you just spam M2 and have to do nothing for it and get free downs often.
Freddy, like Pig, should be changed to require more active work and skill and remove the passive (and RNG) stuff.
Post edited by Claudette_Baguette on26 -
Yeah its kinda hard to get an accurate read on their strength because some killers are only viable because of addons like Myers.
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Nurse is from a time where No Hook-Moris, Insta-Heals, real Infinites, Double Pallets and real facecamping where a thing. Of course her design is not great, she is a big design failure.
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Because they encourage slugging and camping and we’re not really thought through
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I disagree with Nurse being placed at the bottom, but that may because I'm biased and think her design is pretty good. Personally I'd stick Spirit in her place and have Nurse be doing with some tweaking- she completely ignores the major gameplay mechanics but at least there's always stealth and I don't actually think there's that many people that would say she's their least favourite killers to face.
Also I wish I didn't agree with Pyramid Head's placement haha.
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Like @Aven_Fallen said she’s old. Ever wonder why she’s the only killer to move slower than survivors?
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Stealth is a counter to spirit to no?
I hate fighting against her wholeheartedly since she just ignores gameplay
Pyramid head just needs a slight nerf to his tunnelling ability imo
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The thing is, the only thing which somewhat "balances" Nurse is that she is very hard to learn and therefore, the number of good Nurse players is really, really low. You also dont have to learn her to get good results, back in the day she was basically the only Killer to compete with the insane Map design, but nowadays, you have plenty of options, which makes it not needed to put any time in Nurse (aside from maybe bringing her to Level 40 for her Perks).
If more people would be patient and would really try to learn her, she would be talked about more I guess.
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Agreed, the reason we see more complaints about Spirit is because she has a much lower skill ceiling while remaining almost as deadly as nurse
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Technically stealth is a lot less of a counter to Spirit than to Nurse for a couple reasons, one of which being because Sprit still moves faster than survivors. Another is also because Nurse has a 32m TR whilst spirit has a 24m one.
But like I said, I'm probably just biased haha.
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Another thing that helps balance Nurse imo is, unintentionally, her bugs. If these get fixed she'll become a lot nicer to play, but also a whole lot nastier to face.
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Too bad they essentially removed Billy from the game. BHVR doesn't really like fun things
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Pig just needs less RNG with her traps. She can use some buffs but I don’t think she needs a major rework.
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Still really strong I play him a lot
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Because nurse ignores game mechanics and hag is very fun bar her camping potential
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True you don’t see her often but good nurses make the game straight up unfair
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I think her kit is just a mess honestly. Her stealth isn’t particularly good as it slows her down and she’s still fairly visible.
Her ambush attack is terrible at loops and is pretty bad for sneak attacks
Her traps are rng dependant and only lethal with addons
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Not even? Lol I still main billy consistently doing just fine at r1. You dont have OP as ######### instasaws but thats really not an issue for anyone whos halfway decent with him. You can still curve, the speed addons are less useful for it but its still very doable. And the overheat is absolutely negligible for again, anyone whos even halfway decent with billy.
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I hate the misconception that he got gutted. Only started playing him recently but he’s still an easy A tier for me
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You play at rank 1 so what? Billy's fun factor is almost completely gone at least for me and a lot of other people, it has little to do with him still being good or not.
If you still main him that's great, but from my experience in red ranks, i must have seen him like five times since the nerf, so i don't know where all these alive Billy players are.
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That's very subjective. Nurse is imo the best designed killer in DBD. You have basic powers that all revolve around looping somehow and then there's nurse who completely ignores them and insted creates completely new gameplay with LOS, mindgames and creating distance.
That's a design sucess in my eyes when you have foundation that all killers have to follow but then one is able to create new balanced gameply purely with her power alone. I wish more killers could have as unique design as her.
Besides that, not a single killer needs major rework anymore, just updates to old kits to make them more modern.
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My main problem with nurse is actually how she changes gameplay too much. Firstly She is 96% move speed which no other killer has needed showing how insanely strong her power is
Secondly her power is available at all times unlike other strong powers like blood fury or corrupt purge
Thirdly is her insane synergy with certain perks mainly infectious sloppy and knockout
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That’s where you learn common trap spots and keep an eye on her as much as possible. Flashlights and strategically disabled traps hurts her a ton as she can’t chase without them
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Proxy camping isn’t necessary especially if you’re a competent hag
I only wish her traps were a bit easier to spot that’s all
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Different taste in powers then. I for one loved to play even vs the old busted 5 blink nurse, no caring if it was unfair or fair, I just really enjoy facing nurses, so I was happy there were so many of them.
Since here release I was hoping devs would evenutally add another killer with less then 100% movement speed so that we can have more of these extremely game chaning killer.
It wouldn't even need to be entirely chase based killer, imagine a killer who controls for example like a small pack of entity creatures and you gotta micro-manage them to do well. That would be awesome.
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Nurse at the bottom lol. This is a list of how good you are peraonally with each killer admit it
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So because she's old that means she has to be reworked?
By that logic trapper, wraith, hillbilly, huntress, Michael, and hag need to be reworked as well?
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That’s one of the reasons. The other is how she completely breaks the game when someone is good at her
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I think a better ranking would look something like:
I based this primarily off what would need to happen to the Killers in order to make them "perfect" in whatever way.
Trapper or Myers have amazing Powers that have aged better than most realize, they'd be able to get a lot done with some simple tune-ups.
Characters like Leatherface or Demogorgon aren't perfect, but a rework would probably be more trouble than it's worth and in their current state, they're alright.
Meanwhile, a character like Legion would need a massive reimagining to make their power work well. At present Legion is reasonably balanced, but the core issues with Feral Frenzy are still present, BHVR just covered up the problem by preventing Feral Frenzy from downing.
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What exactly took away the fun? Not having instasaws? Cuz thats really all that happened.. unless you had fun face camping with a revved chainsaw, which is really the only thing thats changed. I dont understand.
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So she's a problem because people that take the time to learn how to play her can do good?
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So the only thing that changed is no more insta saw? Lmao ok
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Based on power design conceptually or mechanically?
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Only inexperienced hillbillies will consistently overheat
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My problem is she can win any game in 3 minutes if your good at her
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Mechanically
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People really need to play the Twins more. There's so much more to their power than people realize.
No other killer in the game can chase survivors with 150% movement speed. That alone makes the Twins unique and fun to play.
QOL updates would fix the Twins.
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That's not a problem
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For any good billy player, yes. You can still curve, and the overheat never happens unless you are literally trying to have it happen, even without addons. For a bad billy, sure hes been nerfed. But anyone who was good with billy before does absolutely fine with him now
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Also you avoided my question, what exactly has taken away the fun? Did you only ever run insta saw? Did you only ever face camp with a revved chainsaw?
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Why not? Her slugging Potential is stronger than oni and he has to earn his power through getting injured as an m1 killer
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The fact Deathslinger is above Nurse, twins, and Pig is ######### stupid. His design is literally has gun, will shoot. He needs a complete rework to not fundamentally break how dbd plays outside of stealthing.
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If I'm good enough with hillbilly and leather face I can slug too but nobody is complaining about them.
She is High skill high reward. Why would I every get good at nurse if I didn't get anything in return?
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Why get good at any of the 21 other killers when you can get good at nurse.
Also as for billy and bubba you can use wall and high ground to counter their snowball, can you do that against nurse?
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Because they are best at doing what many hate which includes tunneling, camping, and slugging. It is shocking how badly designed they are.
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Why get good at other killers? because people don't like the way nurse plays and like the way other killers play. This is already a bad argument based on the fact that every killer isn't a nurse main
I don't know how you think a wall stops other killers from snowballing? Just standing behind a wall isn't going to make you invinsible against every killer they can walk around it
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This is stupid though because I won a game as wraith the other week in exactly 2 minutes and 11 seconds. Anyone can win quickly it just depends on the players luck and their skill in capitalising on that.
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understand that I’ve won games as clown in 3 mins it’s just how consistently nurse is able to do it is the problem as walls or any other obstructions do not hinder her
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What about high ground and multiple walls and loops. We’re forgetting that billy and bubba can be looped.
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