The Dark Times
Let's talk about a time from long ago... The Dark Times. Now, I haven't been around since the inception of this game, but I think I came around just before Myers was released. Back then, it was near impossible to hit a survive at the pallet (because pallet vortex), self care was so fast they could heal during chase, flashlights were insane, bnp had 3 gens go off in under a minute, sprint burst was just stupid lol and many other things. I was forced to learn Nurse and Billy during these times. How was your experience?
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Well considering it used to be five times before a window would be blocked by the entity, let's just say chases use to be much longer than they should've been
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Can't ignore all the BS Survivors had to deal with as well.
- Killers blocking entrance/exit to the basement, because the stairs were thinner back then. Could hold the game hostage indefinitely because there was no End Game Collapse.
- Nurse originally having three blinks by default, could increase it to seven with add-ons, and she moved at the full 115% movement speed.
- Memento Mori's could take a Survivor out of the game after a single down.
- The Machine Gun build (Unrelenting + Save the Best for Last) was utterly broken beyond belief.
- Actual, genuine facecamping was a thing. It was quite literally impossible to save someone being facecamped, because the unhook prompt wouldn't show up.
- The Trapper could put traps directly underneath a hooked player, and could stack traps onto other traps at that. It was impossible to save someone with a trap underneath unless you had several Survivors working together to disarm them while someone else unhooks.
- NOED was permanent once activated, with no way to disable it nor was it on a timer.
I don't want to come off as a case of 'whataboutism', but you did neglect to mention a single thing that Killers had going for them (and they had quite a lot indeed).
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I could've sworn a good chunk of those existed before the dark times and patched before the dark times or within the dark times. I guess it depends on where you decide to date the Dark times, which is debatable.
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I first started playing at the very end of the Dark Times, I think.
Roughly May of 2018, iircl
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This was way before my time, as I first started playing during the last Winter Solstice event, and back then then things were not as bad as the Dark Times, but they weren't perfect either (I am talking to you, Old Legion). However, I have watched plenty of videos and heard the stories.
I am going to say something crazy here, but if it was possible I would like to "return" to the old versions of DBD to experience it for myself. I don't know why, but I would love to.
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OP mentions starting in Oct 2016, and everything I mentioned in the list was relevant at that time.
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Whenever somebody says “The Dark Times” I think back to the Legion release and all of their complete and utter BS. That was when everybody immediately DC’ed against a Legion and everyone was having a terrible time.
I hate that phase of DBD. December 2018-April 2019 was so painful.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one that looks back on the time around The Last Breath and Halloween as "The Dark Times".
Hell, that entire Winter was miserable.
There was even a several weeks where an exploit allowed you to have multiple copies of a perk - so killer's doubled up on their "machine gun build" and would run two copies of STBFL and Unrelenting so they could just down survivors with 2 swift sings.
Devs were on Winter break and refused to put anybody on it while the bug flourished it was terrible
Let's not forget that hooks were permanently gone once saboed. Which made slugging meta as it was really the only way to get a kill. And until Nurse dropped, Billy was the only viable killer at red ranks.
Survivor cues were upwards to 15 to 20 minutes because nobody wanted to play a killer before the machine gun build came out.
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Remember when killers could equip others' powers? Myers with the chainsaw was... something.
Things got better after Freddy was released IMO
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well there was the issue of oceans of pallets, double pallet double window jungle gyms, stacking exhaustion perks with no universal cooldown as well as full cooldown while running, base gen speed being shorter, base heal speed being shorter, and overall survivors having much better tiles / windows to work with such as wrenched shop with 4 open windows, bus with double window double pallet, cow tree that was just 2 windows in a circle with no entity blocker and blood lust, 3 second killer vault time, its a wonder this game didn't die out right then and there
and although things seemed a little bad for survivors in all that you have to remember that it took 3 months before nurse was added so killers had to deal with this for 3 months before they got their biggest way to fight back
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While these things are true - there's a reason the survivors had to wait as long as 20 minutes to get a match back then
Just sayin.... while the survivors had their own issues to deal with, the killer's did indeed have it much much worse.
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Nurse was created to bypass most of the crazy stuff. I don't remember ever hitting a survivor through a window or pallet back then
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The game launched in such a state that 5 years on a lot of things they do now is playing catch up due to all the original issues. Shame that after progressing for so long map design now seems to be regressing.
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Darkest Moonlight offering + Ninja Claudettes. Those were the dark times.
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It was ages ago so it's hard to remember it but I don't think it was as bad as it seems since almost nobody was good at the game so only minimal amount of people actually abused all of the OP stuff properly.
Back than a lot of people camped pallets hard, never looped and did unhooks infront of the killer because they didn't know grabs existed etc. It was, different from what we have today.
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Dude we're talking about pallet vacuum times. Remember when windows used to suck the survivor in to vault? Shack had 2 open windows, double pallet jungle gyms, crotus penn had like a million open windows, no bloodlust, like man it was a nightmare lol.
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Questions for veterans/DBD historians who have played since the beginning:
When did survivors start looping? Like around what month/year did it start becoming a common play style for survivors?
Were there individual players who discovered looping, or did it kind of just grow organically throughout the community?
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Good question. Looping was already a thing when I came around
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There's actually a reason for that. If memory serves, the pallets used to do their collision check right at the start of the animation. The hit check was also further out from the pallet.
It was also possible for the killer to get stuck IN the pallet back then. The established protocol at the time was for survivors to cross the pallet repeatedly until the killer could get a grab would free them from the pallet - then the killer would let them go in exchange for getting them unstuck
Looping showed up early actually. However, it was much easier to do as the game had places were the survivor was truly safe if they paid even half-attention to what was going on (old ironworks loop, the old-school combine with the extra large haybail, ect).
We didn't have window blockers back then, and you could also do a fast vault from any angle and from even standing still. And many buildings used to have all their windows open (Like Wretched Shop - you used to get all the windows open on that one, which made catching anybody next to impossible as they could fast vault from standing still back then)
Killer shack also used to have second window if I remember right - right across from the one we see now. You think the killer shack is hard now? LOL
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The most annoying thing that nobody remembers? Legitimate hatch standoffs or survivors having to attempt to get 2 done by themselves when the whole team DC’d / died at 5 gens left. At least old left behind was actually kinda beast.
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It was actually good balance to have hatch appear only when a certain number of gens were done in my opinion. I hate the free escape chance of the whole team dying at 5 gens.
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I wish I was here for that.
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You should've seen when all the hooks were taken down and all you had were basement hooks. Nightmares
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Double window shack. Immediate loss.
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I would do then what I am doing now, which is play solo survivor. Even with all the QoL changes killers have received, I have come to the realization that it's just not for me. I play games for fun and sweating my butt off against red rank swfs is not my idea of fun.
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Damn, I still remember playing Myers with the infamous "Machine Gun Build" back in 2016... Very different times...
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You forgot everyone had OG DS and those vacuum pallets were everywhere and doubled up.
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Thought this was about Dark Times? 🤔
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Fun times back in that first winter. Killers could equip other killers equipment, like chainsaw myers. They could also equip survivor perks, so good luck trying to get away from a killer with bond.
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It was pretty easy when you could equip multi sprint bursts and exhaustion didn't exist.
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