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Can Survivors Just Accept That Camping and Tunneling during EGC isn't as Evil as They Claim?
Exactly as the title says. There is nothing a killer can do during end game collapse except try to secure kills. Pressuring the gens is no longer a thing and there's not much point in guarding an open exit gate so if you already have a survivor in your hands or on a hook, there's literally no other option other than pleasing the survivor children who cry when you don't leave the hook.
Why can they just not accept that there's no other option available anymore? I'm tired of doing this only to see survivors call me trash and a camper when I was playing respectfully the whole match (no tunneling, no camping, not even against a swf), meanwhile they were t-bagging before sprint bursting away in a swf because they knew it would take too much time to catch them.
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Yeah, absolutely making sure that one poor person cannot get the escape they probably worked their butt off for because the killer wants to secure a kill they really didn't earn is totally fun and fair. I have no clue why anyone would ever complain.
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Yes and No
depends why you play killer, lf you play for kills then yeah l guess it’s important.
lf you play to pip but have had your arse handed to you and done nothing then 1 kill isn’t going to help
but if you have played really well got multiple hooks maybe been a bit unlucky or run out of time 1 kill could be the difference between depip or black.
How many survivors do you know that have wiped a killer within 5 mins felt bad and run back in to give him a kill? Why would killers also do the same?
it’s pretty rare.
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I don't personally. Egc all beats are off.
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Very well, let me gather together the Council of Survivor Mains again
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It is the killer's job to kill the survivors, they aren't some poor victim if the killer does that. Also what if the killer worked really hard too? Had everyone on death hook except for the only survivor they got, are you implying that in all scenarios the killer doesn't deserve a kill just because survivors completed all the gens? To turn that on its head, shouldn't hatch be removed then since it rewards the final survivor a chance at escaping even though they might've not earned it? Your argument is clearly biased. It's not the killer's job to make the game fun for you, survivors run all sorts of combo's and tactics that stress killers out, but it's good for the survivor so there's no problem? As for fairness, I don't see how it's not fair, they won the chase and now have no other objective than to kill.
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I'm not entirely sure either. After Gens are powered... guess what buddy? You're the only objective left on the map that I can still contest.
Besides, I personally find that super scrappy bit of the game at the end to be very intense and very fun. Where I'm going all out to scrape together 1 or more last minute kills and they're going all out to try to get everyone out... its honestly great. Also... its incredibly effective. I've had a ton of games that looked like they were going to be 4 outs turn into draws or better because things got scrappy, and I came out on top. That obviously doesn't always happen, but its great when it does.
In addition to that... it gave me one of my more bizarre stories where I managed to get 2 kills despite only getting 1 hook all game. That was a weird one.
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Can always shout out those snappy sayings: "Gens Popped = Anything Goes" and "EGC = EndGameCamp", to remind them that's a pivotal part of the game with killers and survivors down to the last objective, so anything goes trying to finish it. Also results in some of the most fun and most intense moments, especially when 3 players are trying to maneuver around 1 to save another. Its such a ride.
But I think the most important thing is that when accusations start flying (whether your game, twitch chat, youtube vid you're watching), politely remind them that's the last objective. Maybe try to gain understanding from empathy by challenging them to outline what better strategy they'd be pursuing in that moment that would secure them any more kills.
When the other survivors are calling the killer names in the chat, it's always nice when the one who actually got camped stands up to talk sense. (Having been in that situation as both the killer & the camped survivor).
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Swf breeds inflated ego's. This is what happens when a game spoon feeds someone they think they are better at it than they really are so instead of accepting that they made a mistake which got one of them hooked they'll deflect blame onto the killer to protect their ego's.
I can't see solo players crying about egc hooks, I play survivor solo and frequently see people just escaping rather than going back for the hooked person.
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You're talking like camping and tunneling is evil.
Well, yes 7 definitions among the 12 definitions of those terms could be seen like that, but survivors do have troubles identifying which made up version is happening at any given time.
If you're angry at the last paragraph, you're part of the problem. Both strategies arent evil, theyre just.... inconvenient for the schmuck on the hook or soon to be hooked.
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Yeah, I play solo, and if I go for a rescue during EGC then I accept that it's very, very risky. If the killer is not camping the hook, then I recognize that the killer let us escape. There's nothing very satisfying about those escapes, it was just the killer being nice and I'm grateful but it's not thrilling. If I try to rescue someone from a camping killer, then it's thrilling; whether it's a clutch escape or a botched attempt that gets everyone killed, that's how the EGC goes, the stakes are high.
Do I always go for the save? No, of course not. And I have messages turned off so I no longer get crap from entitled survivors who are upset that I didn't get myself killed trying to rescue them. I only ever got one thank you message for a clutch escape ("marry me" lol), but lots of hate mail. Survivors are the worst, even when you are one.
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I don't think that's a reasonable expectation. In a situation where the killer has also worked their butt off but gens are still going quickly are you going to stop working on them to give the killer a break? Despite what OP says it's been ages since I've seen survivors complain about endgame camping/tunnelling because it's generally accepted that it's not remotely the same as camping/tunnelling at 5 gens.
I would also prefer the killer keep playing the game once all gens are done even if that means I'm getting camped, rather than them opening the exit gates and going off into a corner, which is a bit anticlimactic.
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What lol?
Going against SWF is a nightmare for a Killer sometimes. They have such a huge advantage it's downright silly. I don't feel they "earned" their quad escape when there are always 2 survivors on a generator while the rest are coordinating saves, heals - able to tell each other where I, the Killer am at almost any given time in the match; "He's on me! I'm leading him away from the shack, the gen in there is almost done, someone get on it...meet me by the tractor I need heals!..
..last generator is almost done, I'm going to need to see one of you at the gate standing by to open and on tea-bag duty, while I use this map to grab every last totem"
So the Killer manages to grab one of these people and hook them and "OMG unfair! Your don't deserve that kill!". Lol no.
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Imagine killers actually trying to kill the survivors! Killers should roll out the red carpet to the exit gate once all the gens are done honestly.
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I expect to be camped if I'm caught once last gen pops, I'm surprised when I'm not.
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I tunnel and camp very often and I don't care about survivors rule book, sometimes survivors asked me, what I did go get face camped. and I say nothing. I'm not gonna leave the hook if I know two other survivors are there to unhook you. I'm trying to win not to give you chances, I don't care what you think is good or not.
If you don't want to deal with trying to save a survivor being face camped you're free to open the gate and leave.
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Its completely understandable to camp and tunnel in egc. Sometimes you just have to secure an extra kill, and there's not a problem in doing so. Only thing is, don't make it toxic (head nodding, whacking the survivor on the hook). Otherwise its completely fine in my book.
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I get the feeling that some people are lacking game sense.
Does it suck to be camped during EGC? Yes. But you know what sucks more? People feeding the killer a 4k because they just rush in for the rescue. Bonuspoints if they don't have BT and don't even block for you.
I turned a lot of 1ks into 4ks just because some survivors don't know when it's time to leave. I don't need to tell how the endgamechat looked. The killer isn't responsible for your rank 20 plays.
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No. If Survivors did all gens they are entitled to an escape you biased killer main.
/s
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As a killer main, and i mean this in the kindest way possible... git gud?
Memes aside, you always have better options. If you lost that badly, try to hook them deeper, you might be able to get someone as they go for the save. And if you ARE trying to just secure that kill, push the other people out. Go to the door and MAKE them leave. Game ends faster, you dont sit there losing points to hook prox. If you lost a game, you lost a game, oh well. We can't win them all, no matter how good you are
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I've turned losses into wins by camping the basement after the last gen was finished because Survivors were desperate to secure that 4-man escape. The salt is always delicious.
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i stand by my previous message. This is unfun, and quite frankly unearned. You've gotta learn to be at least decent if you don't want to get destroyed as by even somewhat decent survs. You'll keep losing, they'll keep getting those 4 man escapes. :/
I said you have to take your Ls, but I never see a game where 1 or 2 people don't die on third hook. I know rank means little but if two people get out on death hook, I had a bad game and 10 total hook states. A good game is 12 hook states. If I got a 4k with 4 hooks, god Id feel like #########
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Oh, it feels pretty earned to me. As far as I can tell, they made the conscious choice to come back for their fourth, and I 100% capitalized on that.
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sounds like you got your ass kicked by some low rank survs and that was your first hook of the game :3
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Nope. I did only get a few hooks before that point, but this was all in red ranks. ;)
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Im sorry I forgot that being at higher ranks makes basement camping impressive. My bad. Im guessing what, 10k bp and a depip from your 5 hook game?
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Black pip, thanks to all the extra hooks. :3
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Your comments are so patronizing lol. Why would you encourage people to "take the L" when the EGC procs? So killers should do what? Stand in the corner and let everyone go? Yeah, an ideal game is getting 12 hooks at 5 gens but that's really far from reality. Sometimes a team gets all the gens done for whatever reason, that doesn't mean the killer should just give up. Like you're basically saying "git gud" when most killers will experience EGC regardless of skill level, because it's not very difficult to do gens if the killer isn't running hardcore slowdown perks. Especially swf. We can't place the value on a strategy on if it's "unfun" or not. That's the biggest problem with the community is everything is valued by how "fun" something is, when in reality, both sides do whatever it takes to tilt the game in their favor as they should. It's absolutely earned if the killer gets a 4k if the team rushes in to save the person in EGC and they all end up getting killed. We put a lot of emphasis on how the killer plays but don't acknowledge that the survivors could just mess up and get themselves killed at the hand of a killer who is trying to capitalize on their mistakes. If you don't wanna deal with the EGC camping shenanigans, you really can just leave and move on.
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I have no idea what people like that are getting on with.
It's beyond cringy.
Always amused at the attempt to pull rank that always and literally goes nowhere every time it is used.
:3 face was the cherry on top.
I guess that's what it looks like when people run out of relative points...or you don't hold W after hooking someone in the basement endgame.
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You sound bad as killer my guy
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If the person who is getting more total hook states, more total kills, and is actively trying to give the survivors a fun game because they are also trying to have a good time is somehow worse than the person who gets 6 hooks in a game and ignores the other people playing, then you have a real weird idea of what a bad killer is :/
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I'll gladly take the L. All Survivor gotta do is walk out the Exit Gate without the person in the basement. After all, they not entitled to a 0k. :)
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what other point do you want? I already listed every relevant thing and their response was "yea but I wanna be right"
If you can get more hook states AND more kills through a non camping-tunneling play style, how is that not objectively better for both yourself and the community? What exactly is even the argument here?
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The argument is that all bets are off once the Exit Gates are powered. Duh.
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Or that you can play however you want.
Or that, if you're playing people that try hard/challenge you, you're going to have to deviate from your normal gameplay.
There's no argument, just one person recycling a tired trope.
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EGC was designed to fix the 'Survivors refuse to leave the game until the killer chases them out individually one at a time over 8 minutes' problem while still being maximally disempowering and frustrating for the killer.
So if you somehow go down during this moment where honestly it was designed as a victory lap for you, tough titties.
And "oh no poor widdle me having to sit there" is such a bad argument. 1: your missing a single minute of gameplay, 2: you could just suicide and probably still pip and still have all your buds escape. Camping mid match is annoying but necessary to the way dbd is deisgned to allow, but at least I KINDA get the salt, despite it not being very educated salt.
Camping EGC isn't even annoying, its like one of the only ways EGC holds any tension or excitement. Like how much do you have to deliberately ignore the humanity of the killer player to whine about them here?
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Pardon me, sir/madam.
*opens exit gate*
Thank you for the butt dances - I dare not attempt to damage or kill you...I can feel your desire to survive and know that you worked extra hard thanks to the OoO you have equipped.
You have earned The Entity's blessing.
Tally ho!
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The game isn't over until the post game lobby starts loading.
The ECG is a mini-game in and of itself and is ripe for sudden reversals of fortune. And at that point, I have no generators to defend.
Ergo, if I manage to catch somebody when the gates are powered, you bet your ass I'm going to park myself near the hook and see how many more points I can get.
Frankly, trying to outwit a hook rush is more exciting to me at the end then collecting my "pity points" at the exit gates.
It's not like survivors are walking back into the arena and giving me free hooks anyway - and I don't expect them to.
So why should they expect me to play like a brain-dead idiot and not defend the only objective I have left? Makes no ######### sense.
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The leadership of ISC (International Survivor Community) already discussed this and the result was that it will never be accepted.
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