Gunslinger, One shot Huntress, Hag, Nurse, Freddy, Stridor Spirit
Almost everytime i face those killers in soloQ there is a survivor that DC or that suicide.
For any other killers, it's ok, survivor almost never DC/Suicide.
There is clearly a problem with those killers, the survivor community hate the gameplay against them so why developers don't do anything about it ?
I mean, 90% of the time survivors kill themselves against them... what is the point to add ban time or anything ? Fix their kits and balance them...
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Most people agree that Hillbilly and Demogorgon are the most balanced killers in the game. I really would love it if BHVR made more killers like them because they're also extremely fun to go against, win or lose.
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It's mainly opinions on what survivors "enjoy" versing.
Sure I can understand iri heads or a good nurse running busted perks being OP, but everything else comes down to personal preference of what you like versing or not.
In terms of balance, slinger, freddy, hag and possibly even spirit aside from add ons is balanced.
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Sure but facts are here, most DC/suicides i see are against those killers. Everytime i face one of them someone DC/suicide and if not the game is terrible and everyone dies really fast doing less than 10k points lol... i susually do around 20k in those conditions but the trial is not fun at all.
Point of this thread is not to argue if those killers are balanced or not, they are not fun to play against at all and the survivor community will continue to leave trials against them if they are not reworked.
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Yep never a dull game agasint them, specially Billy, still don't understand why they thought adding a cooldown to him was a good idea because he never over heats lol it's so odd.
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Yeah sure we'll be balancing around quitters who refuse to change their playstyle and insted DC whenever anything poses a challenge.
How could that possibly go wrong.
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You've got to understand that the main cause of survivor frustration is because the average survivor is bad at the game.
Not saying you can't dislike versing some killers, I hate versing Demo, Mikey and huntress. I understand that killers like deathslinger etc can be frustrating.
But most of the survivor community still vaults windows in front of deathslinger, still refuses to play safe against a spirit, still doesn't run through a hags web when carrying, etc.
Assuming a perfect world where the survivors you were matched with were all good at the game, the DC/suicide rate would drop. Not to 0, but just drop.
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It's hard because as someone that plays both sides as solo some of who you mentioned are OP and frustrating to deal with is solo queue. However they are needed when killers have to deal with SWF because the difference in dealing with solos and SWF is very apparent.
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Well now there's the question if you should balance the game around the top 1% of survivors, and I really don't think so. Solo Q still exists and it's some of the worst times you can have in the game because as a rank 1 you'll get matched with new purples.
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Same for the killer, they are trash. Someone who can't perform well with demo/trapper/billy is a bad killer.
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Balance around the 1% because the main reason solo has it hard currently is due to matchmaking. Nothing balance wise is preventing solos from being good, just the MM.
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"Someone who can't perform well with demo/trapper/billy is a bad killer."
This doesn't make sense. Some players just want to stick to their mains. I am terrible with Demo, and Trapper, because I don't enjoy playing them. I am kind of "okay" with Billy, but I basically never play him. Does that make me a bad killer? I don't think so.
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- Gunslinger has 0 counterplay but whatever, agree for the map pressure though
- One shot huntress = dodging is a counterplay BUT one shot hatchet should be one hatchet only in the bag, not 2 or 3... it has to be a high risk high reward addons
- Hag + Franklin = 0 flashlight, and if no one brings a flashlight then no counterplay
- Nurse i have no problems against her but most survivors are trash so...
- Freddy agree, too much map control
I think you need to understand what a counterplay is. A counterplay is something that doesn't rely on perks and items, it's something always present in the trials. The only things that can be considered a counterplay are stealth and pallet looping. Everything else needs an extra item/perk so it cannot be a counterplay as it's not present 100% of the time.
As survivors don't know which killer they will face they can't adapt their perks item while the killer can.
Urban evasion is not a counterplay against the hag as you cannot equip it knowing you will face the hag... for exemple
So in fact, every killers that can't be countered with pallets or stealth are OP, it's as simple as that.
For exemple, Clown is ok, he can slow you down much which is annoying but dropping pallets early is a counter but it's a win loose, dropping a pallet early is a pallet loss etc...
Trapper has a counterplay, you can disable the traps (and be injured if he has the good add on) but still it's a viable counterplay.
Pyramide head can deny windows/pallets with it's range attack BUT you can outsmart him and dodge it so dodge is a counterplay.
Etc...
Hag set a trap, instant TP/hit = no counterplay and no skill involved.
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Yes, it's the point especially when there are so many quitters/suicides that the devs had to create a ban system lol.
Both combined (suicide/DC) i guess it represents at least 40% of the game i have in red ranks so... it's a real problem and a ban system is not the solution, why do they suicide/DC ? that's the question.
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Depends what is your main but getting a 4k with the hag or Stridor Spirit doesn't require anything. It doesn't involve map control, skill or brain. It's just W+M1 or W+scroll+M1 and you get kills...
If you don't perform well with Demo and Trapper it means you have 0 map control and you don't know how to apply pressure so yes you are a bad killer.
It would be like saying on Valorant i'm performing great with the Odin but i'm not good with the Vandal, does this mean i have a bad aim ? Yes it does, clearly.
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As someone who has played both sides extensively I disagree. Iri head huntress needs toning down and a great Nurse still breaks the game but the rest are find.
It really all does come down to entitlement. A lot of players just want easy games. I get it, I’ve always enjoyed it too going against a Trapper, a Wraith, a Leatherface etc because there’s a lot more safety there. Pallet drop after pallet drop and the big dumb killer can’t touch you. I think the fact that the game always matches people with low rank killers for years now has made it worse, escape after escape and easy game after easy game has given people a skewed sense of balance.
I’ve even had games where I play no perks or meme builds and I go back and watch the streams of ttv players. They look so chill and relieved to find out I’m playing a low tier killer. They immediately jump on gens and by the time I’ve crossed a large map, broke a wall and a pallet or two and got 2 hits on a survivor they’ve already knocked out a gen or two. They see you forced to break ultra safe pallets where you can’t do anything and they’ll comment how good their friend is doing at looping. Survivors don’t want sweat games, they want fun games. Take a killer who can get hits at loops and some perks to slow down the game and they don’t like it, and its not because these builds are OP its because survivors are going to have to work for that victory,
Again I play both sides extensively and it really does come down to entitlement. Most of the things you mention don’t need nerfing just because survivors don’t find them fun. They disconnect because the developers cave in everytime. They should stop capitulating. How about we nerf some of the bad maps, stacked loadouts and swf that killers find op?
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Ok my point has been proven.
Lets see you take on a second chance perk stacked swf efficient on gens with Trapper or Demo. I’ll wait.
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"Gunslinger has no counterplay!"
"Spirit has no counterplay!"
"Freddy has no counterplay!"
Then why do I sometimes escape in matches against them?
This is a classic case of survivor entitlement, and shows how survivor sided the game is. If you can't win, QUIT!
If you don't want to play against a killer, just DC! That way, you screw over the rest of your team, and ensure that they lose the match, artificially inflating that killers kill count, and skewing the stats.
But no, it's not because you're an entitled, whiney survivor who finds those killers "too hard for me", it's because the killers are broken...
The Hag has no counterplay? So what do you call crouching? You can't just crouch over bear traps, or dream snares, but you can crouch over mud traps.
Survivors want all killers to be the Trapper, but to put their traps in very obvious places so that they're easily avoided.
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Because they are bad at the game and feel the need to ragequit whenever met with something they don't like ?
People don't quite because something isn't balanced but because they don't LIKE something. I don't like facing trapper, does that mean I should quit all my games againt one of the weakest killers in DBD ? Of course not, I should get over myself and not ruin the gameplay for others by beiing a little quitting #########.
Far too many players in DBD are extremely entitled and think only about themselfs having fun, not giving a damm about others fun so they'll quit for the dumbest reasons. That exactly why we have DC penalties to punish people like this who abuse qutting to always get their own way.
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Or survivors shouldnt be cry baby's?
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Yes and ? "People don't quite because something isn't balanced but because they don't LIKE something."
Yup they don't like it, so why force them to play something they don't like ? The game is here to be enjoyed by everyone most of the time. Half the killers are not enjoyable to play against. So they have to be reworked/remove, period.
If half the trials against them there is at least 1 suicide/DC there is a problem.
If the survivor community were as much active as killers are on this forum, and would state exactly the same thing that you then we would be here :
- DS/DH would not need a change - who cares if you don't like it ? We won't change those perks because you don't like them right ?
- Instant flashlight addon would still be around - who cares if you don't like it ? We won't change those perks because you don't like them right ?
- Same for the insta gen addons
And well, Trapper is far from being the weakest and weak lol. Sure it relise on special addons, especially the one that injure when you disable a trap but if you know how to control the map you will get 3k most of the time.
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"If you don't perform well with Demo and Trapper it means you have 0 map control and you don't know how to apply pressure so yes you are a bad killer."
A thousand times wrong. Some people, like me, don't like playing those killers and therefore don't perform well with them. Besides, Demo and Trapper are weak killers. You can't get 4k after 4k with them if they aren't your mains, especially against SWF Teams.
It is pretty obvious who my main is, my profile picture is the answer, but is doesn't change a thing.
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Because you escape means there is a counterplay ? But honestly guys, what are your IQ please to say so much dumb statement ?
I survived a gunshot, it means it's not deadly to be shot at...
Ye play the whole game crouched against a hag when you don't have urban evasion, what a counterplay, so great... I would like so much to be matched with you as a survivor, i have a guess to how you will perform in this game lol.
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"lol I'm not gonna provide any argument, I'm just gonna call you dumdum. You dumdum if you can't win as EZ broken killer lololol"
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Because it is a dumb statement man. Your statement was dumb, didn't say you were =).
Anyway, i edited my post. Hag - no urban evasion, go play crouch the whole game.
So one question before you continue to speak about the game counterplay :
- how many hours as a survivor do you have ?
- average point in red ranks trial when you soloQ ?
- how confortable are you with flashlight saves and pallets saves ?
- % of great skill check when repairing a gen ? (like 50% or 10%) How many do you fail ?
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Killers are cry bbabies, check the different threads on this forum and the steam one for the last 4 years, 80% of the thread crying are from killers, that's why the survivors had been nerfed so much.
And now that the kill rate is above 70% you killers are still crying and saying the game is surv favored lol.
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How many hours and wins do you have as each killer?
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Of course they are, do you know how DBD was on release? Double pallets, infinite loops, insta heals, insta gen (BNP), exhaustion recovering while running, shack with 2 windows, and the list goes on. Killers have been the weaker side of DBD for years, and they still are. Those old, supposedly "cry threads" are justified.
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You confuse balancing around people's fun (which is subjective) with balancing around actual healthy gameplay.
No matter how much you want to make everything reworked into fun gameplay for everyone, it's not possible. You can't make every kille fun for everyone as everyone has different veiw of what fun is.
I personally love facing spirits, slingers, nurses, PHs etc. Strong chase killers that most of your average players hate to face, if you rework them into powerless M1 killers, average bad players will be happy since they won't have to think about outplaying them and thus will win more vs them but people like me will be hate your new version of them since we liked the old versions and might begin to quit vs your reworked versions since they aren't fun to face anymore.
Everything that was actually problematic got adressed ove the years by the devs. Should they consider any of the strong powers you mentioned problematic, they'll go over them and adresses the issues they might have but if you think devs will start handing out reworks beacuse a few loud childish players quit vs something they don't like, you're delusional.
We already know devs are looking into huntresses addons and with near certainity will change iridescent heads that everyone reasonable agress are busted but nobody will be reworking hag's base power which was here for years and even if someone might find it annoying, there are others who like it.
I'll say it again. If you're not having fun with something in DBD, give reasonable feedback on why you want it changed and how, insted of quitting. There is no way to make everything fun for everyone as fun is subjective, healthy gameplay by miles far less so.
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"Stridor Spirit-Bullshit that needs a nerf ASAP. No counterplay whatsoever."
Any nerf in Stridor would have to be met with an equal nerf to Iron Will.
That said, rather than nerfing either, they should just make Spirit continue to make noise at a reduce rate when she's phasing.
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That fact that you insist that Trapper isn't the worst killer/ one of the worst killers, shows your general ignorance regarding this game. Any killer that is both map dependent, and relies heavily upon add-ons to do well at this game is inherently weak.
That is coming from someone who is a Trapper/Doctor main.
The fact that survivors tend to DC against these killers more often than others, tells you more about the survivors than the killer.
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Considering how few people actually play killer, and how long the survivor queues are because of it. They should really focus on making the game more fun for killers, in the name of balance....
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4k with padded jaws trapper no perks every time
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At first I thought you were just upset that so many people DC when these killers are played. Now I have to assume that you are one of those people who leave when they don't like something or when they might be the first to go down.
You know in advance what killers you might run into, you know the game. If you don't like so many things, then play something else? Or look for people, play KYF and there you can freely determine against which killers you play. Or play murderer, then you have it absolutely in the hand and can then be happy about the crybabies who say goodbye because something doesn't suit them.
But stomping your foot like a little kid and saying, so what? But I don't like it, so that has to go, doesn't work.
Then Bubba wouldn't be in the game anymore, because that's my irrationally hated killer that I'd rather never play against, but he'll stay and I'll just have to make sure that I don't get into chases with him, because I can't do anything with him anymore.
But against one shot Huntress you should only have problems in the lower ranks, for example.
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You forgot to include Pyramid Head, since survivors hate him a lot.
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-First conclusion to survivors constantly DCing is that the killers must be the problem
-Doesn't even spell a killer's name right
I'm getting the feeling you probably aren't well versed in the game.
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I think that comes down to his ability to tunnel which is kinda stupid imo
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What is clear to me is that there is a problem with certain survivors, not those killers. People are lazy, don't want to bother learning and improving. I'm sorry, you can't play the same way against every killer. Against some of them you need to be good, the game won't carry you
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Hey. Woah. Doc is not add on dependent. They help a lot sure but I wouldn’t say add on dependent
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It's because survivors mains IQ are astronomically low.
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Honestly i miss playing against old billy as the matches were enjoyable and billy mains were very skilled. But they had to kill one of the more balanced killers so now were in a meta of less counterplay. Billy had no anti loop, Could be looped to force out a m1. And punished you for being out of position against him. Id love to go back to those days instead of a freddy snaring every loop. Or a stridor spirit m1ing into a down after like 10 seconds.
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I just call him Slinger because I think "dEaThSlInGeR" is a really stupid name.
On topic, we can't balance around people like that. Those kinds of people will leave against anything if it doesn't go their way.
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I was referring to trapper as being add on dependent.
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Slinger Main here. Can agree that 9 times outta 10 people suicide or dc against slinger. even on my not good days of aiming. Tbf i still think slinger is fine where he stands. people just need to not be predictable against him
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Sorry I just read it as both of them being add on dependent
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Fact is, most of those survivors have no interest in improving their gameplay (getting gud). That´s why they disconnect or suicide.
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Hag doesn't follow the classic chase protocol if you trigger a trap your most likely getting hit. Many players hate this but that doesn't mean she needs changes.
Deathslinger is balanced, he can't snowball or pressure gens he is ONLY good at the 1v1 aspect but sucks in the 1v4. Just like hag players want a classic chase.
Nurse is "Balanced", players don't like not having options when a nurse accurately blinks but then again those players are not being unpredictable they need to learn how to verse nurse.
insta down huntress is BS i understand why players DC.
Freddy is just strong without being skillful at all, many players are frustrated with that and don't want to verse him.
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Gucci gang.
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I hate the "its not fun" arguments for nerfs because often its not fun means its not easy and I have to switch up my gameplay.
All the killers listed can negate the abuse hitbox mechanic by hugging the same rock loop play easily. That's is the number one go to of 90% of the survivors I play against and with. They never switch it up then cry when it doesn't work. (I'm not saying you are doing this but it is an ongoing trend with this topic).
Try something different, play a lil more cautious, use some planning and learn the maps. Don't try the mindless loop play.
Because let me tell you running around the same rock 3 times ala Scooby Doo is not fun or interesting.
There is nothing wrong with these killers, what is wrong is that people want easy mindless games and will quit if they perceive they won't get them.
If many folks had it their way all killers would be generic M1 chasers who could be infinitely looped.
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Uh... Hillbilly yes, Demo no. Demogorgon is, sadly, one of the weakest Killers on the roster.
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Someone looping 3 times around the same loop doesn't know how to loop properly but whatever. You think yo uare talking to a lambda survivor lol, but you don't xD
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