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Is Stream Sniping Fair?

Hear me out, anytime I play killer and I have twitch streamer in my lobby I check them out beforehand. See how they are acting on their stream. If they are obnoxious and being a jerk I don’t play that lobby. If they seem nice and whatnot I’ll drop a comment saying let’s have fun and this is the killer here. What I find laughable is one time after I dropped that comment before a match the streamer said “don’t stream snipe now!” Even though she was in a 4 man SWF team on comms. I wasn’t thinking about doing that. True I leave the stream on while playing on my PS4 but only to listen to their comments and reactions to me as killer. I’m not watching where they are going. Just find it funny that they had no problem being on a 4 man SWF team and were constantly updating their team on where I was and what I was doing but me stream sniping is going too far? It seems like a double standard.

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  • Dragonshensi
    Dragonshensi Member Posts: 1,516

    there is a delay in the streaming. I sat there playing the game and according to them talking they were still in the loading screen in the stream. Wow I’m getting so much info and cheating hard.

  • Dragonshensi
    Dragonshensi Member Posts: 1,516

    Anytime I have the twitch stream on it’s always delayed. Like I was playing the match and according to the stream they haven’t even loaded in yet. So yeah. I’m getting all the info and cheating so hard.

  • KingFrost
    KingFrost Member Posts: 3,014

    I mean imagine you're streaming and you're playing killer and the survivor is told by their friends "Hey, you're in ____'s lobby!" and they use the stream to avoid you. It's like free OoO.

  • Dragonshensi
    Dragonshensi Member Posts: 1,516
    edited March 2021

    The “stream sniping” wouldn’t help me anyway cause anytime I have it going while I play there is a very long and noticeable delay. One time I hit and downed the streamer and like ten or so seconds later I heard her character scream again and she said “wow I can’t believe he got me”

  • Dragonshensi
    Dragonshensi Member Posts: 1,516

    The only time I ever gained an “advantage” with the stream watching was when the 4 man SWF team all mentioned to chat that they were red ranks while I am rank 13. After that I just memed and joked around the entire match and didn’t hit or down anyone. They were so mad and confused. I would walk against a wall constantly and act like I was lagging or having problems and the whole time they were talking about what’s wrong with this killer lol

  • Moundshroud
    Moundshroud Member Posts: 4,458
  • Dragonshensi
    Dragonshensi Member Posts: 1,516

    Cause while I don’t do it I don’t really see a problem with it. They are gaining an advantage outside the game with being on comms. If someone wants to stream snipe in this sense I honestly don’t see a problem with it.

  • Raja
    Raja Member Posts: 319

    I think sniping only helps in fps games against camper types, in this game gotta concentrate especially as killer where every second counts.

    If I get a ttv I'll check the stream after match to see what they say or just to make it known I'm the killer mostly it's been gg's all around. You do you man I'm not hating or trying to say your using it to get advantage because like you say delay and it's gonna be hard to play and view a stream at the same time.

  • Asssblasster625
    Asssblasster625 Member Posts: 629

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  • kyogul
    kyogul Member Posts: 491

    No what you did wasn't fair since you intentionally left it up and could hear everything they were saying. Doesn't matter if you couldn't see, you still had access to information you otherwise wouldn't have had because you sniped their stream.

    It doesn't even matter if you won either

  • notstarboard
    notstarboard Member Posts: 3,903

    Comms are not cheating lol. Voice chat tools are already built into the launchers most of us play DBD through. There's been no effort from the developers to discourage voice chat, which makes sense, because discouraging voice chat in any substantial way would just push people to play other games instead.

    Stream sniping isn't "cheating" either, per se. It's the streamer's decision to publicly broadcast their live gameplay. Still, that's definitely unsavory and not something I would do. The main point of voice chat in DBD isn't to get an advantage in game; it's to talk to your friends while you play. Stream sniping is exclusively used to give you an advantage, so it feels a bit dirty.

  • Dragonshensi
    Dragonshensi Member Posts: 1,516

    You do know there is like a 20 second delay right? I’m not gaining any advantage at all by listening in the background. Especially when most of them are saying “thanks stinkyfeet1254 for the sub!” Every two seconds

  • notstarboard
    notstarboard Member Posts: 3,903

    Why the double standard? And also how would you even know unless you start stream sniping?

  • Volcz
    Volcz Member Posts: 1,182
    edited March 2021

    "out of curiosity"

    Just say you want to hear their callouts, don't sugarcoat it or excuse it by bringing up delay. SWF was implemented into the game so ofc people want to play with friends and usually that means having comms. You going out of your way, opening someone's stream up to hear what they're saying about you all throughout the match, is pretty wack. You bring up the up excuse that it was an SWF but you also say that you regularly check on people's streams and let them know you're the killer. So you clearly do this whenever you see a TTV and not just when its an SWF. Slimy IMO.

    P.S I'm a solo surv and hate SWF for pretty much every advantage it brings. Still think what you do is weird.

  • Dabihwow
    Dabihwow Member Posts: 3,409

    What kind of question is this? NO its not fair

  • Dragonshensi
    Dragonshensi Member Posts: 1,516

    I actually kinda agree with him there. I don’t think it’s a double standard. If you listen before the match starts and he’s not talking to anyone else from his team and he’s solo I just turn the volume down on my phone.

  • notstarboard
    notstarboard Member Posts: 3,903

    Both are totally fair. The difference is that stream sniping is done 100% to gain an advantage, while voice chat is primarily a way for friends to talk to each other. Some will use it to sweat, but many won't. In average public matches, even at red rank, it's not really a concern.

  • Dragonshensi
    Dragonshensi Member Posts: 1,516

    Oh so slimy. Saying let’s have fun in their chat and that 20 second delay. That’s why I have won no matches at all against anyone with a TTV in their who runs a 4 man SWF. I’m just that good, especially when the game pairs me up with 4 rank 1s and I’m rank 13.

  • Raja
    Raja Member Posts: 319

    What are you talking about? Swf are using comms which is a form of cheating the devs can't do anything about, if they get stream sniped good I have no respect for swf twerps.

    You don't have to stream snipe to know when you're facing an swf 😂 you can either tell during the match or from the slew of salty messages after you put on the janitor hat and mop them up

  • notstarboard
    notstarboard Member Posts: 3,903

    You're welcome to do whatever you'd like, but I think the forum as a whole is way too concerned with SWF. They see "toxic", "cheating", "OP", "unfair advantage". I see "overly altruistic", "predictable", "unlikely to be sweating", and "growing the game". If the god squads were everywhere and could just ride their comms to victory, kill rates would not be 12% higher at red rank than overall.

  • kyogul
    kyogul Member Posts: 491

    Yea I'm aware, and that was an irrelevant point as that changes absolutely nothing.

    People can do what they want but I personally find it really sweaty if people stream snipe. Like bruv play the game normally you don't need to hear their comms or see what they're doing. Wait until the game is over and watch the VOD if you're curious about what they said about you. That's what I do.

    Your intentions of hearing the stream and trying to equalise it to them being on comms is a false equivalence, and that's where I have an issue with what you did.

    Devs support comms and people need to stop being thick and acting like it's cheating when the devs have made their stance on it. They literally allow comms in their official discord server that they have the highest role in.

    So to give my conclusion to your question: No I don't agree stream sniping is fair. You aren't supposed to hear nor see what the other side is saying while playing. Comms are permitted by devs. Stop equalising the two.

  • Dragonshensi
    Dragonshensi Member Posts: 1,516

    How is SWF teams not cheating while stream sniping is? Isn’t this suppose to be a horror game? Imagine in movies where there is a killer but all the teens have comms throughout the whole movie, “oh no! Jason is over here following me guys! Better go to x while he’s on me!” Then at the end of the movie the teens escape but not without giving that killer a few tbags. Roll credits.

  • Yumyumtasty
    Yumyumtasty Member Posts: 172

    SWFs are calling out if a stealth killers goes for you or where a killer heads, it's basically the same. If I see that the streamer is not giving info I close it.

  • JinSime
    JinSime Member Posts: 405

    Of course not. But maybe you're just looking for a single yes for comfort?

  • Dragonshensi
    Dragonshensi Member Posts: 1,516

    Not really. Cause I don’t agree with you guys at all but was just open to discussing it.

  • kyogul
    kyogul Member Posts: 491

    Not a bannable offence =/= supporting. You keep making false analogies

    Stream sniping is virtually impossible to have proof for to even consider having it ban worthy, hence why it's simply excluded.

  • Dragonshensi
    Dragonshensi Member Posts: 1,516

    It always seems like I get the 4 man SWF team when I’m a stealth killer. So the entire existence of my Ghostface is now ruined and pointless.

  • Dragonshensi
    Dragonshensi Member Posts: 1,516

    No that’s not a false analogy. Cause people hate face camping and tunneling and such but it’s not a bannable offense and they support that too.

  • notstarboard
    notstarboard Member Posts: 3,903
    edited March 2021

    Why is that cheating? It's literally built into the platforms most of us bought the game from. I also can't think of a single game that allows you to party up that discourages all communication with teammates. The devs encourage it if anything; they wouldn't allow you to party up in the first place if they didn't intend for friends to play together, and expecting friends not to talk to each other while playing is just unrealistic. SWF brings a huge amount of players to DBD who would play something else with their friends if partying up and voice chat weren't possible.

    You can certainly tell from the chat if you were facing a SWF, but then it's too late to stream snipe. Before then it's usually only possible to tell if their names/outfits/offerings are all themed together or if they're all playing in a nonstandard way (e.g. everyone memeing with red herring and pebble, multiple No Mithers, etc.). If not, it's hard to know for sure. Did the survivor leave the gen early because they got tipped off by a teammate, or because they had Spine Chill, or because they expected BBQ, or because they otherwise inferred you were coming their way? Did the survivor run in for a save because their friend told them they were going down in five seconds, or were they in the area already, or were they running Bond or Empathy and saw where they'd need to be to go for a save? It's not clear.

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  • kyogul
    kyogul Member Posts: 491

    Yea I'm out. Ciao

    hope you find the echo chambre you're looking for

  • NekoGamerX
    NekoGamerX Member Posts: 5,290

    (Voice chat tools are already built into the launchers) what that mean? it not built into the game it a 2nd program people are using in a way it is cheating it's a big advantage and big disadvantage for the killer when he facing a swf group even when the swf game not that good.

    this game was not 100% balanced around SWF group on comms so what are you saying it not cheating?

  • IWasLeft2Die
    IWasLeft2Die Member Posts: 2,405

    Definetly not fair.

    This is the equivalent of screen cheating from the early 2000s back when games had local coop more. ######### got heated sometime and this is the same thing

  • Dragonshensi
    Dragonshensi Member Posts: 1,516

    What are you talking about to your teammates during that match? The weather? No. You are updating your team on where the killer is and what he is doing. You are coordinating who should do what, who will go save from hook after the person on said hook says I left, not to mention the person on hook informs their team where the killers traps are etc. it’s gaining an unfair advantage

  • Dragonshensi
    Dragonshensi Member Posts: 1,516

    agree to disagree then. Especially when the devs clearly favor survivors. Part of the charm of playing killer is you don’t know where he is at the time. Is he coming your way? Or is he chasing your friends? Like an actual horror movie. Well now with comms this horror movie has turned into a comedy.

  • Dragonshensi
    Dragonshensi Member Posts: 1,516

    Did you not read the post? I check it out to make sure they aren’t toxic streamers who are only playing to be toxic to the killer. And honestly, if I find out they are in a four man SWF team I usually just bow out of the lobby. I don’t even want to bother. I have very rarely did a SWF team if I have the knowledge beforehand they are a SWF team.

  • AsherFrost
    AsherFrost Member Posts: 2,340

    A lot of people seem to fail to realize there is a delay. As in, even if the OP was trying to use the stream to gain intel, his intel would be between 2-5 minutes behind, which for a game like this makes it essentially useless. Probably funny as hell though to hook someone and then hear on the stream "he's coming, but won't get me".

    So yeah, I say it's pretty fair. More to the point, the mods have already confirmed it is not something that is considered reportable behavior. (Probably because they too, understand that there is a significant delay that makes any perceived advantage moot, or just because proving it would be very difficult)

  • Mugombo
    Mugombo Member Posts: 509

    Do you know the meaning of team? You’re meant to help each other out lol. Wow, just wow.

  • Dragonshensi
    Dragonshensi Member Posts: 1,516

    That’s what I have been trying to say this entire post but people don’t care cause I still listen to it.

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