Can a mod please explain trickster nerf?

Reminds me of the time Gearhead was nerfed

And we were never told why

Because, as history has shown, survivors will keep buying cosmetics and funding the game. If we get ANOTHER Nurse or SPIRIT, they'll lose money because survivors will quit. This killer will pose no threat to survivors so, it's a good addition. (To them)

This is why I haven't purchased anything for this game in years.

Lets all remember what happened with Freddy following the community feedback.

The loudest among us aren't necessarily the most correct among us...

I'd much rather they release him as a slightly weaker killer and just buff him to where he needs to be based on performance of the community (performance and not loudest).

Oh....Oh no.....

While I agree with the general statement it doesn't excuse their lack of engagement woth the community over trickster and how blatantly weak he is. Everyone is pretty much unanimous that he needs buffed

But do you think the killer is viable as is in high level play? As in the current state he is in. And how much time is an adequate length of time then? The Trickster is flawed as is and i get PTB is a testing period, but the point im making is the changes the devs are doing is simply inadequate. You said not all streamers are gods at the game and you're right with that. But they play tje game for a living we don't. I'm not saying they are better than us but we have just about every major streamer saying he's not viable as is, with tons of suggestions that right or wrong always get disregarded. The way he's been brought out its as if he hasn't been play tested by devs who actually know what they're doing

Agreed.Trickster has nothing over any killer in the game.

He lacks individuality.Every other killers has SOMETHING going for them.

I think you guys are too quick to complain. We saw TONS of complaints about how the twins and blight are weak, but nobody was using them correctly.

Everybody seems to think that the "nerf" to the ricochet blades is going to kill it, but you guys are ignoring a crucial part: they bounce twice. Combine that with the puncture (pass through survivors) add on and you can unload blades at a survivor and possibly hit them up to 3 times with each blade in tight quarters. And then there's my hope for what this means: single bounce knives will be base kit. Now the purple add on adds 1 extra bounce to the base kit ricochet.

His main event changes are great, small but perfect tweaks without making it too powerful. Its a difficult ability to build up and you have to get lucky or be very strategic with the timing, but its very powerful when used correctly

Now, I think the main reasons people have trouble with trickster is they want to rapid fire their power too much. I can imagine that once those super accurate Huntress mains get used to it, they'll only rapid fire when a survivor is super close, or locked in an animation. Otherwise, in general chasing situations, its going to be a lot of accurate, single fire shots. You just gotta make sure you hit them frequently enough to avoid laceration degradation.

I think he's dope, and if im right about base kit ricochet he will be high B tier at least

I'm hoping that BHVR is being cheeky and not revealing that a single ricochet will be basekit, with his knives needing 6 hits in succession to down instead of 8 until launch. Not a great idea to work everyone up before release, but at least he would feel more viable. If not, well, oof. I really wanted to play Trickster, but it's going to be hard to justify putting time into him if his upper limit for damage over time is woefully below other killers.

Also, I decided to crunch the math real fast:

From the moment Trickster enters aim to the moment he launches out 8 blades takes 3.49 seconds. There is a 1.133 times throw rate modifier after 4 blades, which would drop the time for all 8 blades to about 3.46 seconds, followed by a 1 second cooldown before normal movement again. While moving, he travels at 3.68m/s, but it drops as he fires, hitting 2.68m/s after 30 blades. So, assuming every blade hits in rapid succession, the full process of aiming, firing, and injuring a Survivor, and getting cooldown from Showstopper takes a total of 4.46 seconds.

Huntress takes 3 seconds to fully charge a hatchet, though can be fired at a minimum charge of 1.25 seconds. Obviously, a hit is an injury. After throwing, Huntress has a 2 second cooldown. Huntress is slowed to 3.08m/s while aiming. This means that Huntress takes between 3.25 to 5 seconds to injure a Survivor and recover from her power.

The math works out kind of oddly, looking at it now. Huntress is technically BETTER at quickly securing an injury at the distance that Trickster seems designed for (mid-close), while Trickster IN THEORY would be better at long ranged injuries if he could somehow land all 8 shots during auto-fire. The chances of that are rather slim, given how his blades swap firing position based on which arm is throwing, and the fact that he has recoil (on throwing knives, lel). This is on account of him clearly being designed for closer-ranged engagements. So his design gives him more damage at ranges he is not intended to perform at, while Huntress (who is designed to be completely viable at longer ranges) does more damage faster than Trickster within his designed range. Furthermore, Trickster technically gets buffed for whiffing attacks with a slightly faster firing rate at 4 and 8 blades, though also gets debuffed with severe movement speed loss over time.

Given the math, I simply can't really say what he was designed to do well. He can pressure a low loop with the threat of Lacerates better than Huntress, but Huntress is better at being fatal in the same conditions. He can technically be more fatal than Huntress at long range, but his firing mechanics don't make this likely and probably not viable. His Laceration meter is a whole other can of worms as well, but it's worth mention in the long ranged lethality comparison on account of him needing to hit all 8 shots from range before any Laceration loss occurs.

Okay, sure, not when close but the point stands about animation lock.

And how can you be sure ricochet knives won't be base kit? Are you on the dev team? Did they email you? Like I said, it was just a possibility. I just think its possible based on the add on change, not probable.

And still, not addressing that people are potentially under utilizing his power?

I think it also has a use for zoning a survivor, which I forgot to mention.

You can pressure panicky survivors off of gens from quite a distance too.

His power is very adaptable for the "don't want to basic attack" situations, like with STBFL and PWYF.

Also, in some situations you don't want to down someone till just the right moment (for instance, when wanting surge to proc on certain gens or when you know the survivor has endurance from BT and you're waiting it out) and this is the only killer that can prep for the down. Hit them with 7 knives while you wait so you can easily down them at the perfect time even from range

I know these are all tiny aspects, but tiny bits of adaptability here and there can add up fast.

If you don't like the killer, then that's okay. But I am of the opinion that most of the hate is due to lack of experience with him. I've seen tons of streams with people just chucking knives constantly and i can tell they are doing themselves a disservice. I think the power has more nuance than its getting credit for