If people don’t like camping, tunneling, and genrushing

How would you punish killers? There's no way to accurately tell if a killer is camping to BM vs camping because another survivor decided to loop near the hook or it's a last resort to secure a kill. How would the game tell if a killer is tunneling to BM vs a killer who leaves to hook, can't find anyone else, and goes back to the hook only to find the recently hooked survivor because the unhooker decided to hide? And gen speeds? It is incredibly boring to sit there and fix a gen. Making them even more tedious to do isn't the answer.

The killer is directly punished for face camping, it hurts their chaser rank emblem.

The killer is punished for hard tunneling: Any sensible survivors complete gens (3 or more) right at the start of the game if this is done, which harms their gatekeeper rank.

WDYM 'fixing gen speeds for survivors'? Are you saying they should be slower or something?

Camping/hard tunneling are usually tactics killers resort to when gens start popping, yes. However, I don't like the idea of "punishing" killers who do this. Those who do it to BM won't care about a penalty, while killers who were forced to camp/tunnel will just get penalized on top of having to deal with a probably unfun match. The only thing I can think of to fix the issues is to just create perks that address them. It's a band aid fix, but I'm not sure how they could change the game mechanics without really hurting one side or the other.

I think if the killer is near enough to the hook without being in a chase for a certain amount of time, the hook timer pauses. Every survivor should have 3-5 seconds of endurance when unhooked regardless of terror radius. I think gen speeds are fine, though. If you're getting gen rushed, it's because you aren't giving the survivors anything else to do. If no one in injured, hooked, or down, they can do gens or look for bones.

I have said this once and I say it again. The easiest way to punish Killers for camping hooks is to set an invisible timer that makes the hook survivor timer pause any time a killer spends more than X amount of time near the hook. Once the pause timer activates, it will remain active for X amount of time even if the killer steps out of the hook radius. Pretty much a free "Camaraderie". Also, if you want to make it even more punishing, grant the survivor a free Borrowed time and/or Adrenaline/sprint burst after X amount of time if the Killer still remains near the hook. Want even more punishment? Heck, give the survivor who goes for the unhook invincibility, meaning he can not be interrupted when unhooking.

Again, they tested this.

It turns out, any solution to camping can't be more punishing because it BREAKS THE GAME. Suddenly it isn't worth it to hook at all. Its literally already harder to get downed people up than hooked people off hooks, and their internal tests of this EXACT MECHANIC resulted in killers literally being unable to kill people and stuff like one survivor just staring at the killer from 10 meters away so that the killer knew if they engaged in a chase, someone else insta-rescues, and if they defend, they get the camping penalty and auto-lose. No, making it disabled if your in a chase doesn't work. No, putting a detection radius for survivors doesn't work unless its so wide as to defeat the system. It just doesn't work.

The killer NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO CAMP. Its just... so integral to how DBD works. It CANNOT be removed. It cannot be made 'wrong' even if the survivors are actually trying to rescue. There need to be gamestates where camping is 'correct' for DBD to make sense, its just so integral to the killer-survivor relationship, and trying to make this not true always breaks the meta and turns it into a slug meta, or leads to stuff like the killer strike of 2017, where the game legit almost died because of nonsense like this.

Game design is not as simple as applying a negative incentive to everything players complain about. Most survivors who complain about camping are full of garbage as much as killers who complain about gen rush because the actual interaction with camping is... quite good and healthy gameplay and emphasizes some of the best parts of DBD: risk reward, mindgames, the dual pull of long term pressure vs eliminating objectives for both sides, yomi. Its actually REALLY COOL STUFF if you like game design and it boggles my mind how much people hate it. Like, yeah, I get it, getting eliminated sucks and feeling powerless sucks, but so many way worse mechanics also do this in other games and their communities accept them as part of the experience.

Also, any solution that is 'your victim takes more time to die/pauses the timer' kinda misses the fact that killers ALREADY AUTO LOSE THE GAME if they camp and the opposing team just doesn't feed it. So we already know that this sorta threat doesn't work because the reason killers camp isn't to eliminate that player to slow down gens, its to goad another chase to try to snowball, which is exactly what you see high level killers do: they never camp unless they know a rescue is coming and then use that rescue to snowball. They don't give a diddly about the guy on the hook and their hook state, they assume the rescue will happen already because survivors are already so bonkers strong at hook rescues. Which, again, is why slugs are low key like... better at disabling survivors.

And people won't complain? They would still complain about perks, killers, t-bagging etc etc. It would solve nothing. These people will never be happy. Give a DBD player 1 million dollars and that person would say it's toxic because it's not 2 million.

Internally they tested pausing or even just slowing the timer based on killer proximity.

Of course the obvious problem is the killer is the purely reactive player in the camp scenario, and the survivors can be in more than one place while the killer can't, so 'spending' a survivor to paralyze the killer at the hook is super worth it for coordinated teams.

They just found that survivors used it to, again, ironically force the killer into staying on the hook, or giving up on using the hook at all. Because, again, camping is a problem of a lack of value in not doing it, both because getting whammied on an instant rescue is such a crippling tempo loss and because most of the cast really can't get a lot of value off a hook without a guaranteed immediate chase, and while camping doesn't force that and can be countered survivors like to interact with the killer and will seek that out.

On live there is a lot of back and fourth stuff. Old BT was absurd (It gave the rescuer the BT effect so they would require 3 hits to down if healthy from full, it was nutso and made it actually more likely for the killer to tunnel the rescued party off hook because of this, again, running theme of 'unintended side effects make the problem worse'), they introduced BBQ which was a massive incentive for mobile killers to not camp that largely worked. Laurie came along and made the idea of hooking so bad that we had a nurse fueld slug meta for a while. And DH was added a while before as kiiinda an anti-camp perk but mostly a fun 'shoot the moon' mechanic.

Then we got a few things. They got a bit more bold. A big one was Make Your Choice. Its good, but IMO it tries a bit too hard to prevent the killer from being 'allowed' to camp with it. IMO shortening the distance so it works on small patrols, or giving a 5 seconds aura read, would help killers use it more confidently without making it too much stronger, but it already is a very good perk so I wouldn't say its needed it just doesn't do as much lifting as it might otherwise to get killers to feel good about leaving hook.

Starstruck does a LOT to encourage survivors to chill on rescues, especially combined with infectious fright, and basically forces survivors to back off for a few moments or risk their next chase being very short. This is the strongest defensive anti-rescue perk, which means also anti-camp perk that the killer just happens to use, but depends on high mobility killers who can very quickly win chases, or environments that allow skilled non-mobile killers to win chases quickly through good play, which is a more substantial problem with the game and map design.

It's pretty easy to solve pressing issues in Dead by Daylight, but that requires to think in a different way!

Instead of punishing camping, tunneling, or gen-rushing, why not reward players who do the complete opposite?

Why not give killers some kind of bonus when in a chase with a survivor whilst a survivor is hooked? Maybe this could be the future reworked Bloodlust that gives you bonus recovery speed on successful attacks.

As for gen-rushing, we could give killers an extra perk slot just for Hex Totems and make them start off with NOED or add more non-unique hexes.