Which is the weakest kiler in game?
According to you which is the weakest killer? Which killer(s) should devs buff? Is your choice of weakest killer applicable for all ranks or red ranks/skilled survivors only?
Edit:I pressed the post button without adding others option by mistake. Please comment for other killers.
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Trapper
Trapper, to me, is the only D tier killer in the game right now. The rest have atleast something good going for them that makes them better than Trapper.
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Trapper
Because we know Wraith is getting windstorm basekit, Trapper is the only killer left that was designed for "launch day" DBD, which essentially means his kit revolves around a game that has completely changed.
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Wraith
I see people voted Trapper and like wow. I dont know how it is gonna be happen with update but Wraith is quite weak. He is the true definition of M1 killer only. His power is not that special and he cant finish loops,pressure gens and etc with his base power and perks.
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Legion
Trapper is not really D tier if you have good trap placement. People really underestimate him. Many survivors tend to not look towards the ground and tend to get trapped in unexpected traps quite easily. Trapper is really good in mid and end game.
@CheesyGuy Ya I too think wraith is among the list of weaker killers. Even with his speed boost, his uncloak time remains the same which makes him a bit weak. One has to work hard to score kills with wraith.
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Trapper
He may be able to have great trap placement which is great, but when compared to the other killers he just isn't good enough. His chase power all relies on if the survivor goes to a certain loop, and while this is fine for Freddy and Hag, it's not for Trapper as he has to go around collecting his traps.
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Legion
If a survivor doesn't go towards the traps then yes trapper is an m1 killer that is true but that doesn't make him weak. You can deny some loops by placing traps while in chase. If you use bag addons trapper doesn't even need to pickup too many traps. A good strategy for placing traps is when a survivor is hooked which wastes less time for trap placement, trapper is really good in right hands, all he needs is a bit of strategy and some luck.
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Trapper
The problem is the last word you put there. Luck. Without that, he's an M1 killer who's wasted time placing traps around the map wasting even more time for no point. It's why Pig is also a weak killer. If it comes down to luck, and not a small amount of it, the killer isn't good.
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Legion
The thing you don't realise is that it's not that survivors won't ever encounter traps. They will encounter traps and even more if they are well hidden. It's like 70% startegy and rest is killer skills and a bit of luck. It all boils down to trapping as many locations as possible. If survivors are going around looking for traps then they are also wasting time as well. I have turned many losing games into winning just by placing traps carefully. Rest it's personal opinion I guess, for some it's weak for some it's not.
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Plague
Plague's the only killer whose power includes a ton of heal spots that not only remove her power but ALSO heal the survivor back to the healthy state. Unlike Pig's 'guess which of the 4 boxes' or Freddy's '1 per survivor alarm clocks', the stage is FILLED with fountains to heal off of. She's also one of the tallest killers (making it difficult to fake out loops) and also has no built-in movement, tracking, or slow down. Her addons are worded poorly, making it difficult to determine what each one actually does, and the infection timer is both hidden from her UI and take so long baseline that waiting for that to pop before hitting the survivor often takes just as long as hitting someone twice like any other M1 killer.
But all that could be forgiven, if her puke worked the way it looks. It feels terrible to puke directly on a survivor with a full charge and not tag them even once. Puke travels so slowly and in such a short arc that survivors can often outrun it by just going straight ahead. On top of that, the hit confirmation is the least reliable part of the game. The actual effect is to shoot a series of chunks out that trigger 'hits' with empty spaces between them that do nothing. But, because it appears as one, unbroken stream of puke, there is no way to tell what is or is not hitting, so you're left with survivors weaving back and forth in your puke stream and coming out miraculously as clean as if you were gently misting them with mineral water.
I cannot fathom why the graphics don't appear as the actual chunks, or why it doesn't work like the flamethrower it appears to be. But it is so frustrating that the whole character just feels bad to play. It really is a shame: the mechanic is a really cool one. I don't even think she needs a big buff, just make her puke reflect what does and does not actual hit like every other projectile in the game.
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Legion
Trapper is very RNG dependent, yes, but with luck he has one of the strongest snowballs in the game, so its hard to say he's bad or good, he's just Trapper.
Legion have no tools whatsoever other than having survs do nothing for a few seconds... which is something you do by just bringing Haunted & having people play immersed for 60s. Legion is a perk.
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Legion
Let's see...
Trapper has heavy snowball potential if you know where to place his traps.
Twins is nowhere near weak.
Demo is powerful in the right hands coming from someone who plays it a lot.
Plague is also nowhere near weak.
Wraith is actually kinda good if you know how to play him.
Clown is too controversial so we'll skip the big guy.
And Pig can actually slow down the game heavily despite her mediocre kit.
Legion is, well, something compared to the others. Their power rarely ever works, and when it does, you'll still have trouble catching survivors because you're nothing but an M1 killer after you use your frenzy on them. If I wanted a killer that could instantly down all survivors the way Legion can, I would choose Myers. At least he has faster vault speed in tier 3 and a slightly bigger lunge. Legion might have those in Feral Frenzy, but can they use them to down survivors quickly? Nope.
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Plague
Plague is the weak link imo.
- She has nothing for her : she is among the tallest killer + leave a trail of incense = really easy to spot
- Her power without any addon, takes ages to infect survivors, if it even not go throught them without any effect (hitboxes really broken in the favor of survivors 75% of the time)
- Survivors can easily just cleansed so any slowdown perk related to the injured state become useless
- If survivors are smart they can negate your power by drinking from fountain at the edge of the map that would waste an enormous time for you to collect
- and even if they infect all foutains and you get your power for "free", a good pallet stun and you are back to being a M1 killer with no map pressure, no chase ability, nothing.
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Myers, without his game changing addons.
- The only killer who start the game less powerfull than any other killer
- The Oni, and the Plague make him a dated power burst killer
- Less potential to swonball
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Trapper
Honestly, I don't think any killer in the game is weak if they're used in the right hands.
If I really had to pick one though, it'd probably be Trapper.
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Wraith
tbh im shocked myers isnt on this list
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Trapper
Don't get me wrong, you can be really intelligent with Trapper, but it's constant add on grind and time wasted on getting traps to make use out of his m1 killer state.
Myers is a bit outdated, wish there was more, tombstone could be reworked to different ways to play them.
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Legion
In my opinion Myers is not weak so he isn't on the list. True he is an m1 killer but there are so many ways to play him with unique perks and addon combos that it's not worth calling him weak compared to other killers.
Myers has snowball potential especially with infectious fright. He is mostly late mid to end game killer.
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Legion
I guess that's how trapper is played. He is slow to reach his full potential that's why people underestimate him I guess. Regarding addons, main addon of trapper is his bag addon which is easy to get rest is optional if you are good at trapper.
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Wraith
Oni an plagues snowball makes myers completely irrelevent and if you want stealth play GF Wraith or Pig. Myers is stupid easy to loop in tier 3 he has no help when Oni runs at mach 3 and plague has range.
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Trapper
You spend a few minutes setting up traps, losing a few gens, then all the sudden, a survivor buddy tells his team in voice chat "There's a trap at cowshed window" etc, a lot of effort for your power to be negated by it being spotted by even some casual friend group.
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Legion
Myers cannot be compared to plague and oni due to his playstyle. It is unfair to compare him to them. Myers is a semi stealth killer depending on your playstyle.
I guess you only have gone against weaker myer players. If you can mindgame survivors well then even your best vaults can be countered due to increased lunge range at ew3. Mirror myers and pwyf myers,tombstone myers cannot be underestimated as well.
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Clown
its the trickster
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Wraith
how does the extended lunge help at all at say shack almost every safe pallet stays self. His semistealth is useless as tier 1 is awful if you have any idea and a 16m tr doesnt do much with this like spinechill. Myers best part is hisw tier 3 but thats invalidated by the existance of oni and plague. Also saying "oh but he has these addons" like most killers have an OP addon like Oni with the top knot making him unloopable in the big angry and huntress with iri hatchets. Also mirror myers gets dunked on by holding W and spinechill even though he is one of my favour killers.
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Legion
Yes, it's a challenge playing against swf with trapper but then you have to adjust your playstyle as well. A part of playing Trapper is to adjust your playstyle according to survivors which includes trap placements, like putting them in less obvious places. The thing is even good swf cannot dodge every trap and the traps they get caught in can be their downfall.
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Trapper
I understand that but regardless, why should I adjust when I can just play Hag and get better trap utility, easier use, even Freddy.
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Legion
That's up to you then if you don't want to play trapper the optimal way. Freddy and hag have different playstyles though so you can't really compare them. Trapper can pickup survivors from traps(fully healed to downed) while freddy and hag have to hit them 2 times to achieve the same. You have to strategise and be adaptable if you have to play trapper, otherwise he can be weak.
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Legion
Either you have gone against really bad myers or you are really misinformed. Also don't compare him to oni and plague. He is a unique killer on his own.
You say survivor with good looping skills and safe pallets wreck him but then you have to realise that myers is a pure m1 killer and being good with him relies on knowing how to counter strong loops and survivors well. And you can't loop forever on the shack keep that in mind. Also you are really underestimating his lunge range at ew3, I have got countless hits even when survivors were running vault speed builds near shack as well. 99ing your ew2 and then suddenly hitting with ew3 cannot be forgotten as well. Mirror myers requires creeping up really close to people and not everyone runs spine chill on higher ranks. Spine chill can be detected and countered by not looking at the survivors and still walking in their direction.
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Legion
You haven't really seen the power of ew3 lunge I can say, I have hit countless survivors with it especially near shack and safe pallets/loops. Tier 1 basically allows him to creep up close to survivors during early game and you can easily get out of it. If you have spine chill then it will be very obvious as a part of playing stealth killers is to know who is using spine chill as well. A killer can simply look away while walking towards you to counter your spine chill.
You cannot compare oni and plague to Myers because myers is an m1 killer while the other 2 rely a lot more on their power. Mirror myers requires a bit of strategy to play. You really need to creep up on survivors very close without showing yourself to get any value of it. Also mirror mirrors requires indoor maps for having any a good value out of it. Rest I have already said how to counter spine chill as well. You really need to encounter good myer players to see how good he can be or if you have him then put some good time and learn how to play him well.
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Trapper
This isn't about comparing, your version of 'optimal' is something other killers can do much faster and in rapid succession, they don't have to pre set and guess as much, regardless of how you set it, why waste your time on a low tier killer that can not protect gens when I can play a higher tier killer who can protect gens, 'optimal' trapper is bringing constant trap add ons and trapping basement, optimal is efficiency and Trapper is not efficient.
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Legion
I guess that's why trapper is low tier and not high tier and by low I don't mean lowest tier. With trapper you can't do really long chases, or you lose gens. Also trapper is not the only one who can't protect gens, there are other killers as well (usually m1). To make up for that people use gen defence perks like ruin,pop,discordance,surge,overcharge etc. Also one can do fine with just bag addon as well. One doesn't always get to hook in basement so keep that in mind as well.
I play trapper because he is a lot of fun to play as. It takes a little bit long time and some hardwork/guesswork to get kills with trapper but it's generally worth it. It's satisfying to see survivors getting trapped in your own traps as well.
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Trapper
Clown, Legion, or Trapper, are all bottom 3, but which one of them is the worst really depends on the map and setup.
Trickster also seems like he's gonna be bottom-tier unless they make some substantial changes to his base kit between PTB and full release, which I doubt BHVR will do, so he'll likely be joining those 3 soon enough.
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Trapper
Trapper is a very add on dependent killer, and I would say the most. Because starting out with just one trap is very punishing, and that's why you see everyone running extra traps add ons. Wraith is finally getting Windstorm basekit, and Billy got reworked last year. Trapper has been in a very desperate need of quality of life changes for awhile, it's seriously not that hard to give him Trapper Bag basekit.
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Legion
From my point of view trapper is not the lowest tier if you really know how to play him well. He is low but not the lowest. He may rely on a bit of luck but he is all about strategy and m1 killer skills. I would place him above the lowest tier.
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Trapper
It's trapper
If you're against a swf that knows how to verse twins they are like the second worse killer but no one is worse than trapper just because of the nature of his power.
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Trapper
You talking ptb wraith? Because yeah no he has amazing mobility since it's combined with stealth and after he comes out with those buffs he will be a solid killer not top tier but definitely the best of all stealth killers at least.
Also you're wrong you can easily use his power at medium/small loops to hit survivors, most people really underestimate that speed boost when uncloaking.
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Legion
Why is his power worse? I find legion's power worse compared to trapper.
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Trapper
just going to say that she is better than trapper since trapper can have his power disabled easily.
plague at the very least survivors are either all injured or you have a very strong ranged attack due to that aspect of plague she is stronger than trapper.
Not all fountains are at the edge of the map if survivors cleanse you just always use the corrupted pools and you get fast downs and you can just win like that and if you are getting stunned you're not being careful so that is entirely the killers fault.
What people need to understand is while plague is subjected to RNG with pools and some consistency issues with the right build (all killers need them besides very few) you can just always capitalize on what survivors do.
Like you are either a m1 killer that has everyone easy to find/exposed or you are constantly using CP to end chases quickly. There isn't a middle ground since that is both having injured survivors and giving her CP which is when she is at her strongest.
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Trapper
Because literally any survivor can follow him and deny his power and the trapper is forced to go after them.
just because of that he is worse.
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Legion
And risk getting downed as well? There are many ways to play trapper. Adjusting to survivor's playstyle is one of the them. It's not that the survivor following you is invincible. If you keep following trapper as swf then you all are going to get downed eventually. When trapper gets to his snowballing or even if one survivor is hooked, he will set his traps and even one mistake by your team can set you back not the trapper.
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Definitely Myers. I'm gonna compare him to Oni, which I think is a weak killer but not so weak as a bottom tier. I'm doing this comparison since they both have similarities of being snowball killers and killers who have to do something before using it's power.
First, getting Oni's power takes much less time. Not only that, but as a Oni, your way of gaining your power is by attacking other survivors, which in a way does something to contribute to your main objective. Stalking on the other hand gives no other benefit than gaining your power and also is much slower than simply hitting a survivor.
When Oni gains his power, he not only gets instadowns but also a good mobility that helps him pressure the map. The same can't be said about Myers, which gains only the instadowns and some smaller buffs. So, another point for Oni.
The last category that I'm going to compare them is how efficiently they can gain their power back after the first usage. If the Oni wants, he can stop his Blood Fury by picking up a survivor, which saves him charges for the next usage. Myers again isn't so lucky. Even if he downs a survivor on his tier 3, he is going to be forced to slug as wasting time hooking a survivor will only help deplete his power. Also, Oni can get as many usages of his power as he wants, since survivors as long as they live can give him blood, while Myers cannot as the evil withing survivors never recharge, so if a survivor runs out of evil, they will become useless for you to gain his power.
Now comparing to the other options, just to justify Myers as being the weakest killer.
Twins and Plague: I actually think they are solid killers, so I don't really know why they are here in the first place.
Legion: Can get survivors injured very quickly. His power has a passive slowdown with the deep wound and he has possibly the best tracking tool in the game, only losing to Doctor. Also, you can see having survivors permanently injured as basically a Myers tier 3, without the extended lunge and the faster vaulting ofc.
Demogorgon: He has a lot going for his kit. A basic anti loop that gives him letality (his shred attack). A good mobility that gives him a way to traverse the map quickly (him portals). And a decent way of tracking survivor (his portals also trigger killer instinct). His power gives him a lot of tools, and simply because of that he doesn't deserve to be considered the worst.
Pig: Her traps are the biggest gen slowdown of the game given a good RNG. Whether you like it or not, having a way to slow gen speed is very important, even more important than ending chases quickly. Also, she has a neat stealth mechanic which helps her a lot and can also be used in chases sometimes.
Wraith and Clown: Both have received buffs recently. The Wraith now has more movement speed which is something he needed a lot to be able to traverse the map and switch targets fast. As for Clown, he got a new tool which, even tho not great as expected, has some usages as making his anti loop better and help him go to point A to point B faster.
Trapper: Trapper is a tricky one. He would be the most likely to dispute with Myers for the worst spot, but it's kinda of difficult to judge him. Trapper's main weakness is a SWF group, even more than other killers, as a optimal group can simply disarm all his traps very fast giving him no tools to use. However, against solos, a good Trapper may be able to surprise the survivors with his traps, putting them on a snowball which may be very difficult to get out depending on the situation.
That was all for my analysis of why Myers is so bad.
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Trapper
Man, some of you guys really don't know how to play plague, legion and wraith.
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Trapper
Dude there is a very low risk of getting downed against him if you know the trap placements which swf tell their team.
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Trapper
exactly how i feel, like is legion weak yeah he is a m1 killer that good teams don't heal against and he gets gen rushed but he isn't the worst, same with plague but she has a way better chance to snowball and has tracking.
Wraith is actually an ok killer and after his buffs he will become good, It's pretty obvious trapper is the weakest killer when he relies entirely on luck in the first place oh and you can just hold W in trap infested areas to waste a good amount of his time.
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Legion
You can't compare Myers to Oni. Oni is a high mobility killer when he gets his power, myers doesn't have this power so you really can't compare him with Oni. Myers is not forced to slug, if you are using bbq and a hook is nearby you can easily still catch survivors and even if you have to slug there should be no problem as it's a part of the game. Myers and oni are very different killers apart from stalking and absorbing blood orbs part. Don't forget his terror radius is 16m so he can sneak up on survivors even if they tend to run away after getting stalked. Myers ew3 is limited but that doesn't make him a weak killer, people who main him get to know how ew works and use it throughout the game but just at the right moment, not whenever they like it. Comparing oni who is a high mobility killer with myers who is mainly a stealth killer is pretty unfair. Myers just needs the right perks or addons to make him viable.
Rest the list is made keeping in mind killers people often bring up as being weak and which actually have a good amount of weaknesses. My thoughts on why killers on list can be seen as weak:
With twins, victor can be abducted, his attacks can be dodged, he can be crushed etc,also he doesn't get to use any perks as well. Twins may not be weak but people at times put her up amongst weaker killers so i out her on the list.
With plague, her projectile system can be quite tricky to use and very inconsistent, time to down survivors is usually long without addons. Plague can also be wrecked by indoor maps at times.
Demo's pounce can be dodged and he is quite loud.
Legion's biggest weakness is his own power, the feral frenzy. In his frenzy it is very easy to outplay him by juking, pressing w etc and one miss is enough to take him out of his power with his long cooldown. He can slow the game down but his perk selection is very limited to do that(eg:thana). His frenzy can be his biggest weakness.
Pig:Good loopers and rng can wreck her really hard.
Wraith:Loud bell as base,slow uncloak and 0 terror radius makes survivors feel safe and so they sit on gens or run away as soon as they see him.
Clown:Survivors prethrowing pallets, dodging bottles and his poor map pressure. I don't think he is much weak but people often put him in list of weak killers primarily due to poor map pressure.
Trapper:Poor map pressure,late game potential. OoO perk.
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Legion
You don't trap too much against swf in the beginning. And you didn't get what I said; if a swf guy is following trapper do you think trapper will still set traps? No he will chase and injure or down the one following him and then place the traps. I won't tell you all tricks or you will underestimate him. I have played trapper and wrecked good swf many a times because no swf team can be perfect, even a single mistake is enough for trapper to rise to his potential it just takes time.
Also,it seems you haven't met good trapper's haven't you? Try seeing good trapper's like otz, watch his winstreak. How he went against pretty good swf teams and wrecked them hard, 2 of the players were using OoO and tried disabling his traps only for them to get stuck on different ones. It takes one good trapper to wreck your confidence against him.
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Legion
You haven't gone against much good trapper's haven't you? Trapper is not a high tier killer but with whatever power he has, one mistake is enough to turn the tide against even a good swf team and a game in which map elements are randomised you cannot guarantee a swf win everytime. If you think it's easy to win against trapper, then you haven't gone against good ones I believe. Watch otz's 50 win streak on trapper, how he countered good swf team using 2 OoO and still beat them even after they disarmed his traps. It takes time but one can still win against overconfident swf like yours. I have also personally gone against cocky, overconfident survivors only to see them fall into the most obvious traps because it's not always possible to know every trap location.
I didn't say getting downed in traps, read my comment again.
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Trapper
You haven't faced a good swf as trapper have you?
behold the super secret method of holding W until you're on the side of the map where he hasn't been and there are pallets everywhere! All it costs you is a health state but you waste at least 50 seconds of his time!
THAT is why he is the weakest, even against a good trapper he can't afford to trap area's he doesn't plan on going to and survivors can just keep going there as the others disable his traps and do gens.
edit: Also that win streak doesn't prove much IMO it's like saying trapper can win against top % which obviously is not true, if every one of those games was against swf i promise you it would take him at least a year to get that streak.
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Legion
Don't be too overconfident dude. A good trapper knows your tricks and he won't go where you are leading him. Where you are trying to lead the trapper where there are pallets, a trapper may already have trapped it and you wouldn't even know it, talk about leading the trapper. The killer controls the game not the survivor. I wish you go against a trapper who can teach how overconfidence can often lead to stepping into traps or just simply wins.
You simply ignore what all I write in detail by simple do this do that statement. How about you watch this? https://youtu.be/D9C4aeuWaMM
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Legion
In normal dbd it's common sense that not every game there will be swf, if there was then that would be totally unfair and many killer mains will likely leave it, if swf becomes compulsory. If even 40% of his games is against swf is that not enough? Otz mains trapper and knows almost every trick survivor or swf can pull against him. Trapper is not bulletproof against swf but he is certainly capable, if he was so good he wouldn't be in the list. He is weak but not the weakest according to me.
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Trapper
if you get a map like the game or any other indoor map for that matter, im sorry to say this but youre screwed
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