Decisive Nerf or Buff?
I personally feel that Decisive (LV 3) should not be an obsession perk and the skill check hit point a little shorter. When i first played i didn't understand how killers knew how a survivor has Decisive unless they don't wiggle at first, now i know.
People may bring up a point that this will change the meta because a survivor (with my Decisive buff) can fake like they have it and not wiggle, a type of stalling for other survivors. What i say is that if they do that they risk getting taken to the basement (or closer to it an advantage hook spot etc) What do you all think, buff, nerf or is Decisive fine the way it is?
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I still think, that it would help, if every Decisive Strike Player need to wiggle until they reached 50%. So Killer have more ways to counter it. With Enduring, Iron Grasp or Agition. And maybe dont make it a obession perk.
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Imagine if the killers have a perk that when they lose a survivor they trigger a skill check and if they successfully hit it they are teleported to the suv and he gets insta downed. Sounds ridiculous? well. exactly that is decisive strike. It doesnt need a buff or nerf, it needs to be removed or completly reworked.
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@Aidan_fowlAidan_fowl said:Imagine if the killers have a perk that when they lose a survivor they trigger a skill check and if they successfully hit it they are teleported to the suv and he gets insta downed. Sounds ridiculous? well. exactly that is decisive strike. It doesnt need a buff or nerf, it needs to be removed or completly reworked.
Not this excuse again pls.
DS doesnt guarantee a safe escape, your idea DOES guarantee a hook.6 -
DS needs to be removed from the game immediately.
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DS is an easy mode perk. However if you’re running enduring it’s not that bad. I’m not gonna say no to a nerf though.1
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@Mister_Holdout said:
DS needs to be removed from the game immediately.Remove Noed then. You survivor mains and you killer mains want one thing gone but wont bother asking for its counterpart to go .-.
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Sounds good to me. I stopped using it long ago because how many free kills you get with it. Best to make noed lose its instadown and maybe slightly buff its stats to compensate. Decisive strike lose its killer grasp escape and allows survivours to click a command prompt like dead hard which stuns the killer for 3-5 seconds allowing for flashlight saves or to allow survivours time to set up for bodyblocks. You cannot wiggle whilst the killer is stunned.Poweas said:@Mister_Holdout said:
DS needs to be removed from the game immediately.Remove Noed then. You survivor mains and you killer mains want one thing gone but wont bother asking for its counterpart to go .-.
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It guarantees a chase though. Short or long. Time is valuable commodity anything that guarrantees you an additional health state is amazing. Espicially in high ranks where gens are optimised and additional chases are a death sentence.Vietfox said:
@Aidan_fowlAidan_fowl said:Imagine if the killers have a perk that when they lose a survivor they trigger a skill check and if they successfully hit it they are teleported to the suv and he gets insta downed. Sounds ridiculous? well. exactly that is decisive strike. It doesnt need a buff or nerf, it needs to be removed or completly reworked.
Not this excuse again pls.
DS doesnt guarantee a safe escape, your idea DOES guarantee a hook.1 -
@Edilibs said:
I personally feel that Decisive (LV 3) should not be an obsession perk and the skill check hit point a little shorter. When i first played i didn't understand how killers knew how a survivor has Decisive unless they don't wiggle at first, now i know.
People may bring up a point that this will change the meta because a survivor (with my Decisive buff) can fake like they have it and not wiggle, a type of stalling for other survivors. What i say is that if they do that they risk getting taken to the basement (or closer to it an advantage hook spot etc) What do you all think, buff, nerf or is Decisive fine the way it is?Sure buff DS, I wanna see the game die
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@Poweas said:
@Mister_Holdout said:
DS needs to be removed from the game immediately.Remove Noed then. You survivor mains and you killer mains want one thing gone but wont bother asking for its counterpart to go .-.
Every killer would instantly agree to this trade because NOED is just laughable compared to DS
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Before even reading I expected the remove from game bit, and if you ask me it needs a nerf, removing a perk from the game will require more time than a nerf, and decisive follows laurie and how she attacks myers, and removing it from game is an awful idea, the perk should really do what devs said, just stunned the killer but not dropping the survivor, but to make it not close to useless, make the struggle speed within the time slightly increase but with a reduction of the numbers for the stun
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@Poweas said:
@Mister_Holdout said:
DS needs to be removed from the game immediately.Remove Noed then. You survivor mains and you killer mains want one thing gone but wont bother asking for its counterpart to go .-.
K, nerf kruger again I guess
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Guys...Decisive will never be removed no matter how much you complain for one simple reason. It directly ties into the “Adept Laurie” achievement. Yes it is broken but it won’t be removed for that reason plain and simple unless they gave Laurie a new teachable which I HIGHLY doubt they’ll do.
DS and NOED both should be removed entirely but it’ll never happen.
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Um...noed is absolutely nothing like ds. At all.
The killer is literally sacrificing a perk for a hex that literally banks on survivors completing gens. You can completely nullify it by destroying the hex totems and get yourself 600-3000 bp in the process. The survivors have it in their control to not put noed in play, and it’s basically conceding the survivors won and it’s nothing but a protection plan.
Meanwhile....
Survivors with ds can use ds any time and any place. They have 3 other perk slots to supplement their survivability. A ds survivor who knows how to play survivor will have no problem giving the killer a miserable experience because not only does a killer risk losing time but if they choose to commit, they’re not even rewarded with a hook because ds allows that survivor to escape.
Also OTHER SURVIVORS can have ds too, and unlike the obsession, the killer is not forewarned about them, and it makes for an unfun and unfair experience.1 -
DS should be reworked if they wont fix maps and Noed .. Lol the easiest perk to counter. I won't ever put an hex perk close to any survivor perks. The firsts can be cleansed and being useless while the seconda cannot be taken awayMegMain98 said:Guys...Decisive will never be removed no matter how much you complain for one simple reason. It directly ties into the “Adept Laurie” achievement. Yes it is broken but it won’t be removed for that reason plain and simple unless they gave Laurie a new teachable which I HIGHLY doubt they’ll do.
DS and NOED both should be removed entirely but it’ll never happen.
Since the blight I saw like 3 noed pop. Even others used it don't get me wrong but y'kno, no totems no ed1 -
Oh you cant take a 4 second stun?Master said:@Edilibs said:
I personally feel that Decisive (LV 3) should not be an obsession perk and the skill check hit point a little shorter. When i first played i didn't understand how killers knew how a survivor has Decisive unless they don't wiggle at first, now i know.
People may bring up a point that this will change the meta because a survivor (with my Decisive buff) can fake like they have it and not wiggle, a type of stalling for other survivors. What i say is that if they do that they risk getting taken to the basement (or closer to it an advantage hook spot etc) What do you all think, buff, nerf or is Decisive fine the way it is?Sure buff DS, I wanna see the game die
Entitled baby killers dont deserve 4ks of they cant deal with a little stun3 -
@The_Crusader Dudu have yoy ever play killer at rank 7 + or you just play with rank 20 to feel good with your self ?
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say the one who wants a hag Nerf cuz can't play against her.The_Crusader said:
Oh you cant take a 4 second stun?Master said:@Edilibs said:
I personally feel that Decisive (LV 3) should not be an obsession perk and the skill check hit point a little shorter. When i first played i didn't understand how killers knew how a survivor has Decisive unless they don't wiggle at first, now i know.
People may bring up a point that this will change the meta because a survivor (with my Decisive buff) can fake like they have it and not wiggle, a type of stalling for other survivors. What i say is that if they do that they risk getting taken to the basement (or closer to it an advantage hook spot etc) What do you all think, buff, nerf or is Decisive fine the way it is?Sure buff DS, I wanna see the game die
Entitled baby killers dont deserve 4ks of they cant deal with a little stun
Entitled survivor main Right?4 -
Just doing what all the entitled killer-only players here do.DarkGGhost said:@The_Crusader Dudu have yoy ever play killer at rank 7 + or you just play with rank 20 to feel good with your self ?
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Nerf hag™ btwThe_Crusader said:
Just doing what all the entitled killer-only players here do.DarkGGhost said:@The_Crusader Dudu have yoy ever play killer at rank 7 + or you just play with rank 20 to feel good with your self ?
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Nerf you.Malakir said:
Nerf hag™ btwThe_Crusader said:
Just doing what all the entitled killer-only players here do.DarkGGhost said:@The_Crusader Dudu have yoy ever play killer at rank 7 + or you just play with rank 20 to feel good with your self ?
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@MegMain98 said:
Guys...Decisive will never be removed no matter how much you complain for one simple reason. It directly ties into the “Adept Laurie” achievement. Yes it is broken but it won’t be removed for that reason plain and simple unless they gave Laurie a new teachable which I HIGHLY doubt they’ll do.DS and NOED both should be removed entirely but it’ll never happen.
Why should they be removed? You know what it is by now, the Killer see's that the Obsession is the Decisive person. Killer juggles survivor to hook. If the Killer see's that the hook is to far away for them to juggle, then they leave them on the ground.
I don't see anything really broken about that honestly. At rank 1 and or the highest meta Survivors that run DS are most likely to bleed out or get slugged in general so Nurses Calling is really good for DS players.
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There is a scenario of course where the Killer doesn't care if they land Decisive and find a spot where they have a easier time to catch again. Standing on the edge of lets say the basement stairs and letting them fall down (which is a great strategy btw if the opportunity presents itself)
Also I dont get why more Survivors that run DS don't just run Unbreakable as well for the reasons mentioned above. I dont main Survivor at all but im pretty ok getting at rank 1 and although i personally don't like Decisive because I main Killer if i did run it on my Survivor I would pair it with Unbreakable and Tenacity
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What? Lol come on, you are the Nerf hag guy now, you should be proud to have this titleThe_Crusader said:
Nerf you.Malakir said:
Nerf hag™ btwThe_Crusader said:
Just doing what all the entitled killer-only players here do.DarkGGhost said:@The_Crusader Dudu have yoy ever play killer at rank 7 + or you just play with rank 20 to feel good with your self ?
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@Edilibs said:
@MegMain98 said:
Guys...Decisive will never be removed no matter how much you complain for one simple reason. It directly ties into the “Adept Laurie” achievement. Yes it is broken but it won’t be removed for that reason plain and simple unless they gave Laurie a new teachable which I HIGHLY doubt they’ll do.DS and NOED both should be removed entirely but it’ll never happen.
Why should they be removed? You know what it is by now, the Killer see's that the Obsession is the Decisive person. Killer juggles survivor to hook. If the Killer see's that the hook is to far away for them to juggle, then they leave them on the ground.
I don't see anything really broken about that honestly. At rank 1 and or the highest meta Survivors that run DS are most likely to bleed out or get slugged in general so Nurses Calling is really good for DS players.
I don’t PERSONALLY have a problem with Decisive Strike because I rarely run into it. I honestly don’t see many people that have DS nowadays. I run two obsession perks on my two main killers (Myers and Spirit) and that is Save The Best For Last and Rancor, a lot of times I’ll pick up the obsession and realize they don’t even HAVE DS. Being the obsession does not 100% mean you have DS.
It’s been going on for two years that people have been complaining about DS and it’s annoying and a meme at this point. The reason I’d want them to remove DS and NOED is for people to stop whining and complaining all the time about it.
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I think it would be better if it had 2 effects based on the outcome of a check.
When survivor uses it and succeeds, the killer must then hit a difficult skill check:
1. If the killer fails; works as normal with stun time and survivor runs free
2. If killer succeeds; the killer receives a stun but retains their grip on the survivor (larger flashlight save window)
While this does allow a killer to negate it if they are good, a survivor could better time the strike for while the killer is busy and less prepared for the check. This way it promotes team saves even on a fail while also supporting solo players.0 -
Don't nerf it, nuke it. Make it to where if they miss the skill check they just immediately ######### die in you arms.
Balance.
I don't see anything really broken about that honestly. At rank 1 and or the highest meta Survivors that run DS are most likely to bleed out or get slugged in general so Nurses Calling is really good for DS players.
Because you're straight up boned if you're up against a team that has more than two decisive strikes. At high rank play even with Ruin, it's not uncommon at all to have gen popped by the time you even finish one chase. One DS can already set you so far back if the survivor managed to get to another loop, if you're going up against three or four? You might as well just accept your loss.
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@Edilibs said:
I personally feel that Decisive (LV 3) should not be an obsession perk and the skill check hit point a little shorter. When i first played i didn't understand how killers knew how a survivor has Decisive unless they don't wiggle at first, now i know.
People may bring up a point that this will change the meta because a survivor (with my Decisive buff) can fake like they have it and not wiggle, a type of stalling for other survivors. What i say is that if they do that they risk getting taken to the basement (or closer to it an advantage hook spot etc) What do you all think, buff, nerf or is Decisive fine the way it is?i can hit every overcharge skillcheck because of how much bigger the skill check circle is (the thing the little marker spins around) and how much slower your marker is but with decisive its so fast and the circle is so much smaller i can almost never hit it on xbox.
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Yeah I find overcharge skill checks easier too. I can hit pretty much all of them.TheLegendDyl4n1 said:@Edilibs said:
I personally feel that Decisive (LV 3) should not be an obsession perk and the skill check hit point a little shorter. When i first played i didn't understand how killers knew how a survivor has Decisive unless they don't wiggle at first, now i know.
People may bring up a point that this will change the meta because a survivor (with my Decisive buff) can fake like they have it and not wiggle, a type of stalling for other survivors. What i say is that if they do that they risk getting taken to the basement (or closer to it an advantage hook spot etc) What do you all think, buff, nerf or is Decisive fine the way it is?i can hit every overcharge skillcheck because of how much bigger the skill check circle is (the thing the little marker spins around) and how much slower your marker is but with decisive its so fast and the circle is so much smaller i can almost never hit it on xbox.
I can do most Decisives but sometimes miss if it comes up right at the start of the skillcheck circle.
Then again maybe I just don't have the practise becauase I never really use it.0 -
Nerf it to the ground!!!!
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Why the hell is this still a question for anyone? You seriously don't know what perk is the single most broken in the game? (It's decisive strike) these posts are a joke.0
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How is...nvm lol. Noed is nothing, and it isn't a counterpart as killers are limited due to game mechanics. Some anyway.Poweas said:@Mister_Holdout said:
DS needs to be removed from the game immediately.Remove Noed then. You survivor mains and you killer mains want one thing gone but wont bother asking for its counterpart to go .-.
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