Lets face it: DS now makes sense

They weren't using for antitunnelling. They were using it to protect themselves for 60 seconds. And now that it doesn't do that....at all, people will use it much less. I foresee tunnelling becoming a large problem, because, let's be honest it is the most efficient way to end a match as a killer.

This will be noticed by Behavior if the total number of players goes down and action will be taken. Either a new perk will emerge to help survivors deal with the issue of tunnelling that is fun and useful, or they may revert the changes to DS. Reality is DS was a terrible perk by itself. It needed unbreakable to overcome the killer response to DS which was slugging. Now that DS is even worse, I predict few will use it. The 2 perks together allowed survivors to actual play the game a little longer in the face of pretty terrible killer play (terrible for fun, not effectiveness).

It will be interesting how the meta adapts. Like so many before me, I'm going to start logging games data. Just so my information on the topic is not anecdotal or of the feels bad man variety.

If you look at posts that said DS needs a nerf, the counter argument was almost always 'Killers will tunnel without DS. Its forced'.

Which means more people will go back to using DS. Only this time it will not hurt people who don't tunnel.

Only issue now is no obsession lobbies are more common if you yourself aren’t using DS

Blood Pact or For the people are actually nice perks to force an obsession.

Nah just playing more killer for ez tunneling and 4k.

It means you can go overboard with overbuffing perks that promote "healthy" gameplay.

True I love for the people but blood pact is kinda underwhelming

The nerf works fine. A survivor shouldn't be able to be unhooked and immediately leap on a gen in front of the killer, knowing full well they cannot be touched. It was abused quite heavily.

However, the tunnelling increase is also an issue. The easiest change to make would be to make every single trial have an obsession. That way, a killer will never know for sure who has ds and who doesn't, if indeed anyone has it at all! Eitherway, a killer would be less likely to tunnel and rehook with that thought in mind.

I do agree the tunnelling needs addressing, and the obsession change would probably help resolve that. However, the nerf was justified owing to how it was being used as DBD's own "Invincibility Star", instead of a perk to allow the recently hooked to avoid the killer getting a quick second hook on you.

So you would want ruin to be buffed so that it is passive hexless perk ? Gen rushing happens even when ruin stays up and killer who tunnels/camps gets no value out of ruin so it might as well stay up whole match every time.

If you get "fair" killer who goes for 12 hook game, he gets passive ruin to help him againt gen rushing and if you get hard tunneler/camper, he gets nothing.

So I ask again, do you really think ruin would be healthy without beiing a hex ?

They weren't using it because of tunneling. They were using it for 1 min immunity. The irony is it still serves as anti tunnel. So how can they say tunneling is getting worse?

Equip DS

When unhooked, let the survivor heal you.

If the killer comes back you have DS. You have two health states if they don't.

It's not useless now unless you want to say it was useless before.

I feel like some posts in this thread show a degree of not understanding what the phrase tunelling actually means.

Tunelling is solely when after an unhook the killer instantly goes after the same player and ignores everyone else. If you expand that to anything other than this then sadly you are misinformed.

In this scenario DS does exactly the same as before. It still does the same job of being able to stun the killer extending the chase time.

Now if the killer does not go after the unhooked player and downs someone else, hooks them and then comes after you that is not tunelling.

Which brings up the point, why was DS nerfed so hard and firmly brought into line as an "anti tunnel" perk if it still isn't REALLY that? I'm in agreement that most killers will continue to tunnel through DS (simply because it makes them mad), and if you're on a bad map that already had certain resources burned, or against a killer like Nurse, Spirit, etc., even Deathslinger, DS was just about a 10 second time saver that only slightly delayed the inevitable.

I myself also don't tend to run DS, but last night I played the new survivor and DS was one of like... 4 perks I had that were tier 3, so I threw it on since I'm not really a "This Is Not Happening" gamer. I had to use it against a Demo that returned to hook every single time he heard an unhook, and after I hit him with it, I STILL had to call out to a friend who hadn't been hooked yet to take the chase for me because I knew I wasn't getting anywhere off of the stun, since I was aware of the fact that the only places I could make it to already had the resources burned through and was completely barren (not a rare occurrence on certain maps, but especially prevalent on Grim Pantry, which I was playing on). A good call on my part, too, because the Demo DID try to continue tunneling me and the only thing that helped me lose him and save myself from going down shortly after DS was the fact that my friend LITERALLY threw himself at the killer (giving him a free injury and a quicker down than if a chase started organically)

I was never opposed to a DS nerf- even as someone who very rarely equips it, I can still very clearly see how strong DS could be, especially in a 4 man who knew how to abuse it. I have issues with how much they nerfed it without anything in return, though. Because, let's face it- for YEARS, DS has been a crappy little bandaid for some of the more frustrating aspects of the game on the survivor side.

I foresee DS perhaps going on a cycle- right now we are most likely going to see a LOT of people drop the perk, killers tunnel more (idk what region you are, but I'm NA east and killers at every rank tunnel like it's their daily bread, ESPECIALLY if they don't see an obsession), and then DS get picked up again. Repeat ad infinitum.

In any case, I do personally believe that DS is still a good perk, but it is of course much, much less useful, and it has become an anti-team and anti-altruism perk tbh LOL

The ONLY thing I would change about it is perhaps either keep the nerfs, but add a buff where scratch marks are not left for a couple of seconds, or maybe change the healing and unhooking bits somewhat. I'm all for the gen deactivation (aside from the fact that it is easy for controller players to accidentally tap a gen when they are simply trying to vault a window placed very close to a generator- I had this issue back when I played on the Nintendo Switch) but the fact that it deactivates upon even tapping a heal has already led to unpleasant experiences in solo queue.

Anyways, sorry for the super long reply that wasn't even fully directed towards you, just wanted to say my piece on the nerf somewhere hahah

DS is pretty bad at the moment (especially against stealth killers). I think DS needed some changes, but I think they nerfed it too hard atm.