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So I made Trickster work in Red Ranks.
I just wanna share some results of my games and I kid you not that I now average in at least 2 Kills or 6 hooks for Trial and now I have a 4K streak on Trickster after playing like 25 games where in the early games I got about 1 or 2 hooks max and an easy depip and this was about the time I made my "I feel scammed" post if you guys check my profile.
Now these are some of the results after getting experience and possibly getting good with him.
First I wanna address something, I admit he is on the weaker side but he really is fun on the right circumstances.
The main strategy I use is playing him as a M1 110%ms Killer as lame as that sounds but it works. This Strat needs you at least to be good on minigames and predicting how the survivor would react. Now the main two perks that carry me in trials are "Monitor and Abuse" and "Save the Best for Last", IMO you need these 2 perks to win with him.
With "Monitor and Abuse" Trickster's Terror Radius will become 16 meters, this TR can actually make him a Stealth Killer that results in Free Hits most of the time if you play stealthily as move out of line sight to the Generator.
With "Save the Best for Last" STBFL on him is actually pretty good as you can just use your power on the Obsession keeping a permanent 8 Stack which is pretty scary as a Survivor.
For the gameplay, I mainly focus on the jump of Survivors as 16 Meters is a small TR, I'm reiterating that getting Free hits will be common with M and A
For STBFL, It is so easy to get 8 stack as you can just get the drop of the obsession and bombard them with Knives. If they're not an Obsession then play it like a M1 Killer with super recovery, that recovery can make it so that you can just bombard the survivor with Knives after the Attack Cooldownn, This either makes it that you down them with knives(if they're in the open) or they will be forced to take cover in nearest loop where you can smack them again or stick 8 Knives again.
For your "Main Event" I recommend that you don't use it if it's not necessary as the maximum thing it can do is injure a Survivor Twice but the worth thing it can do is let the Survivor Shift + W yo the nearest Loop as the Start time is pretty long and the Cooldown of not getting to throw knives hurts very much. This power can sabotage your game game rather that help you. BUT if a survivor is in the middle of nowhere and you're pretty sure that you can down them with 2 injures then go for it.
If I encounter someone on a Strong Loop, A Good Looper or BS Map Rng, I'll just Leave them and find other survivor to ambush, you'll get another chance at injuring them in a worse loop or better yet get a free hit!
Now these are all the advice I can give for those who want to try trickster but are scared by the Community because right now it's a common thing to associate Trickster with Depipping easily. Remember you're a Killer, Screw those Survivors, It's not in the Eula/Terms that Camping, Tunneling or Slugging is Bannable or you can't do it. Burn the Survivor Rule book or Use it as Toilet Paper, Do what you got to do to get the 4K.
I'm just scared that me getting 4Ks and other high Skill Players with Trickster would give BHVR the DAta that he needs a nerf rather that a buff lol, Anyone in BHVR please buff him, he still needs it.
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Get ready for moniter slinger 2.0!
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Hey, if it sounds stupid but it works, it ain't stupid. This is just a post on advices on how to win with him not stating he's obviously a weaker version of other killers
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I don't have the perk STBFL but I've been using Monitor&Abuse in my last 5-6 games and it helps trickster a lot. I got few free grabs at gens too, but I think those were some worse survivors tbh.
But I gotta agree, if I meet a good looper or a survivor who knows how to bully me, I just let him be. The salty ones will follow me cause they love to bully weaker killers, but it often helps me to lure them out of the loop area.
I'm also not even using main event, the situations when I am able to "turn it on" are usually in wrong situations...Many structures are in the way or I am just simply close to the survivor so I can just M1 or finish the survivor with 1-2 knives.
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Yup, this is basically how I've been playing him at red ranks (the only viable way currently imo) which is why i stopped playing him.
He is forced into a semi sneaky 110% m1 chaser role which is just agonizing.
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Yep, agree. I am also honestly worried that 4Ks with Trickster would let BHVR decide that he needs no change as others like Tru3 and Dowsey are also getting consecutive 4Ks. Even Almo the Dev are in the opinion of Trickster is alright because he got adept on farming survivors in basement.
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I know people don't like this combo on gunslinger, but have you thought about combining M&A and Furtive Chase to give yourself 0 TR if you're lucky? Combine with STBFL and maybe discordance or pop?
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Furtive Chase is kinda meh, in my games as trickster, it was quite common to be 3 or 5 mins in and I haven't hook someone. I rather get a reliable perks rather than go with my luck with furtive chase.
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Did you make him work, or is the average DBD player just not good?
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No i use same build on him. Monitor +STBFL is only way to play him. If discordance is not on, you should commit to chases, If discordance procs and your in a bad loop, you can make the decision to break off chase. I like using sloppy over meta pop goes weasel+corrupt/ruin perk, I just dislike kicking generators in general and whole 3 gen strat gameplay those perks encourage.
He is still weak even with good perks. I find it hilarious that survivors are losing to 110% m1 killer.
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Ranks don't matter but I see your logic
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You must have been very lucky with the maps there because not using bamboozle, crowd control or cruel limits with him is like losing before even starting the match. He really needs at least one window blocker perk.
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Just like I thought, Trickster can be player like an off-brand Deathslinger using stealth and STBFL.
Deathslinger is still better in every way with that build tho. His power is actually decent
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TLDR:
I made him work by forgetting he has a power, and playing him as an inferior version of a base killer.
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As someone who plays Trickster this way as well (Monitor + detection perks + pop), I agree it's the best way. That said, it is depressing that he can only work by abandoning what's supposed to make him somewhat-unique (his power).
Behaviour might as well have released a killer called "The Basic One" who can only M1 and runs at 110% movespeed. Kinda shameful.
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Lol it definitely would have been a more proper name for him sadly.
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A 110% M1 killer. Sounds fun.
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Pretty interesting playstyle. I kinda wanna see how Ruin and Undying would work out on him though, maybe Surveillance as well to top it off as a replacement for Discordance that goes well with those two.
It's sad that the only way to make Trickster viable is to play him like an M1 killer not even using his own power and only using it to hit obsessions for STBFL. He's basically the inbred result of Deathslinger and Demogorgon.
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No as you can see I won or got 4Ks on Ormond and Macmillan maps where you dont need Bamboozle. I also won Farm Maps, Badham Maps and Dead Dawg Saloon. I was not lucky with maps.
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Hey if it works for you, that's great!
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Not sure yet, I can say I made him work but he is still early so most survivors dont know how to play against him and add to the fact that theres probably a small amount of people playing as Trickster on Red ranks. I did run onto a couple of OoO but lucked out of loops where I can use my power then down them pretty easily. I also run into a couple of Competitive SwFs but most got 2 kills by playing dirty which is Camping, 3 Gen and Tunneling.
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It still matters imo, If I post about 4Kying a bunch of Rank 20s or Green Ranks, everybody will say Im full of crap and it is obvious that Trickster can rekt potatoes.
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Frankly he can only wreck potatoes..until we have actual matchmaking you'll see potatoes in all ranks , this game has a deeper gap than many think
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Untrue, did tou see his Spotlight trailer? Not once in the trailer did he throw a knife. So BHVR was intending Trickster to be an 110% M1 Killer.
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Now do it again on console.
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All of your GIFs show really bad survivor play. I guess that's how he is supposed to be played? By the Survivors playing poorly.
Especially your third GIF. Though that Cheryl and Nea were pretty butts as well.
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it's the Monitor and Abuse catching them by Surprise. It's all fun and games until a hottie is smacking your butt by surprise. It's now panic inducing if you get smack by surprise and the killer has 8 stack of STBFL. Most survivor wouldn't think calmly if you get suddenly smack by a hot guy while knowing he has STBFL.
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Honestly it seems like this is probably the best way to play him, because I just don't see the point of needing to spam about eight knives in order to get an injure and a down on all survivors.
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As someone who's played this guy nonstop and is coming to probably around 70-75 games with him and is adding him to the main list despite how gravely underpowered he is (but very fun).
All I'm going to say is, you didn't make Trickster work. The survivors made it work for you, that's it. Red ranks mean nothing in this game and not to sully your skill or insult you, but it doesn't really matter how good you are as Trickster, it just doesn't work if the survivors are somewhat competent at all. You'll only get beyond a 1k if survivors make serious mistakes.
Any competent survivor knows killer shack, jungle gyms and any tall kind of loop is just an infinite against him. He's simply too slow to land an M1 without bloodlust 2/3 and whilst he can land the occasional few knives if they're vaulting windows or rounding corners, the fact that you need to connect 16 of them to down the survivor, all whilst the metre decays mid-chase just makes it so it makes literal minutes to down a single competent survivor.
You may suggest ''Just leave them and go for someone else'' but I've been in games where all the survivors are fairly decent or good and it would also take minutes to down a survivor. You're in a lose lose situation. You either dedicate minutes and basically almost every generator for one down, or continuously abandon, restart and drop chases with zero downs or pressure made until the game is over.
That's it. I've legitimately had games where all the survivors were very good, on a decent or very good survivor map like Coldwind and never got a down or hook. It's THAT bad. The average result for me was a 1k, since I would down one guy as all the generators were finished and camp him, and maybe get a 2k if the survivors were altruistic or they made some mistakes previously.
I try to moonwalk, mindgame survivors, but I'm so incredibly slow it doesn't matter. They see it coming and can react. Playing killer shack or any strong loop against this guy reduces him to a 110 M1 Killer.
The only time this guy's power can legitimately down a survivor is on macmillian, autohaven or any short wall loops. But guess what! Huntress can do this as well, for much better effect since Trickster's lethality is just 1/8 of Huntresses.
The last clip doesn't even support what you're claiming. Sure, you downed two survivors, but they legitimately sat watching you approach them and only moved when you were within lunging distance and then ran into the open field with no protection or cover. Of course you're going to down them, they're defenceless there and made a serious mistake, any killer could do what he did there, in fact, Huntress could've done it faster and better.
He's just THAT bad, there's no two ways about it. Out of 75 games, I can count on one hand how many 4K'S I've got, and I can tell you it wasn't because they were very competent and I was the better player, it was because they were potatoes.
It's funny because the second I switch to my other mains, like Bubba, Demogorgon, Wraith, I'm suddenly getting an average of a 3-4k every other match without even needing to sweat. This guy? I'm sweating just for a 1k.
I'm sorry, but he's horrendous, this killer is E tier minimum and I applaud your post, but all I'm going to say is this guy only works effectively against 15-20 survivors.
TL.DR Trickster doesn't work against decent or good survivors. He needs major buffs, there's no way you can make him work, playstyle or perk wise. He's just THAT bad.
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I did go up against competitive teams and actual good survivor and I loss most of them while getting kills only by being Dirty; Camping, Tunneling and Slugging. There's is no Killer with skill that can stand up against 4 actual good survivor except Nurse and Spirit but what I did is tunnel the crap out of the weakest one(if there is one) and camp and that usually results in them being altruistic and me getting carried by STBFL, but hey you gotta do what you gotta do, and BHVR designed that the only way Trickster to snowball is with this.
for them survivor mains that will be disgusted with these Strats blame BHVR as this is the only way we can get kills as Tricksters vs actual good SWFs.
Please refer to the Gifs below for examples:
Devs this is a message if you're reading this. If a Killers need to play dirty and intentionally ignore his power to get Kills, he needs a buffs or a rework.
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