Survivors aren't allowed to have good perks any longer. We're just here for 4k power fantasies.

It would take to long to make new player stick to the game until they are at the elo they belong when most killer are too hard to play properly which would result in permanent getting curb stomped by the already cocky TBagging survivor community. They don't need to feel much superior. I already had over a year break and was back in yellow and while I still played fair and without scummy tactics everytime I let them all leave I would get tbags at the gate and belittling "gg ez" "noob" and so from YELLOW survivor that where lucky that I sometimes stretched the trials for 10+ so i didn't kill them.

Ok I'm sorry. Your saying that dead hard is the only second chance when old DS, borrowed time, unbreakable were all issues for Killers? Almost all survivors would use all 4 of those perks (DS, dead hard, unbreakable, borrowed time) and could get away from game changing mistakes. Oh I downed you 58 seconds from your unhook welp I tunneled you even tho I hooked 1 and chased another. Also we're just talking about perks. You can't forget about med-kits easily being the best thing a survivor can bring. Now I am a killer main with about 500 hours in game and I am also red ranks. I don't get 4k's everytime. I get 2 3 maybe even just 1 kill per game. This is a game of hours. If you are a 1000 hour survivor main then yeah your going to get destroyed if your solo and face a good nurse or spirit or any other killer that has 6000+ hours. Besides don't forget that survivors still have keys to use. Also statistics don't matter in the game. Like someone said nurse has the lowest lol rate in red ranks we should bug nurse right? No she's easily still the strongest killer next to spirit and hag. I honestly hope this helps you think correctly. Right now I see your just an entitled survivor main who thinks the game should be balanced by there side.

so you want to nerf the counterable incentive killers get from hooking someone?

if you know they have bbq , go in a locker. No locker near by? hide behind a gen. or you know get in 40 meter radius that makes it so your aura isnt revealed

All I read was survivor gameplay is boring so don't quote me on something dont care about.

Don't play survivor solo and it's not boring, that's all. Killer is equally boring too to be honest, rank 1 just drains the fun. Much rather be rank 20 all the time both sides but oh well.

You mean besides DH, SB, adrenaline, PT, etc all the other good perks left? What about the survivor sided maps such as the farm maps, or Haddonfield and the game?

This is true. This forum is so killer sided it’s disgusting and ridiculous.

There is a secret technique to combat camping. Here we go.

DO THE GENERATORS

I'm going to lay down some cold-hard facts

• It takes 80 seconds solo a generator
• It takes 120 seconds to fully die on a hook
• there are 4 survivors.

If a killer is camping, killer should lose at least 2 gens, preferably 3 before that first person is dead. If people just gen rushed in response and stopped rewarding the behavior, you'd see a lot less camping killers.

Besides, the killer is already encouraged to leave the hook by various perks added to the game. But the devs said repeatedly it and tunneling is an allowed tactic.

Play killer.

Survivor queue times are awful because nobody plays killer... because the killer experience is awful... because the game is survivor sided.

I think what we have here is a frustrated Solo player likely suffering from disillusionment caused by not realizing their playing a game in which the survivors only real advantage should come from the fact that there are more of them than the killer.

It's always so surreal to see people actually think that the survivor should be the power role in a situation where their characters are canonically supernaturally kidnapped victims being hunted for sport by inhuman forces with superhuman abilities. At literally no point should a survivor actually feel powerful. In part, it's what gives a sense of satisfaction when you outwit the Killer.

Of course your play has to change with each killer; they have entirely different abilities and play styles. 🙄

The issue I have with this is simple - 'doing the generators' just isn't fun. If the only valid way to counter a behaviour in a game is to do something that isn't fun - what's the point in playing at all?

Gen rushing might work but who wants to spend the majority of every game holding a button down and pressing another button periodically, rinse and repeat then leave? Come on now, you must realise that this might make sense logically but in the context of a game that's only existence is to provide fun it just doesn't make sense.

Exactly, this guy gets it. Either you get camped/tunnelled yourself, or your teammate does and you spend all game on a gen. Remind me what's fun about either scenario?

Then you're in the wrong game mate. Because if you aren't spending half your game on a generator, you're half the reason you keep losing as a survivor. There's nothing wrong with that and I'm not telling you this to be mean - it's just a fact. This game's gameplay loop doing it properly is to spend most of your time as a generator holding M1 while looking around nervously. If that's not you idea of fun, this game's gameplay loop is just not for you.

I admit the killer wasn't the best in that video, but if you put a good survivor on that map I guarantee you that you will see just how powerful one part of the map is especially with the right RNG.

There was never anything in the center of Rotten Fields to begin with. All they did was make it smaller, mostly by bringing in the corners. And it's still an abomination that should never exist as far as I'm concerned.

But lookit who I'm responding too - a master of survivor-biased misinformation. You sure you don't work for one of the many crooked politicians out there?

Dude, there are 4 of you. Killer can't be expected to chase all of you at once. You're going to be spending a lot of time on generators.

And frankly, if you don't have the right mindset to train these killers to play properly by punishing then I really do want you to leave so I don't get you as a teammate. Nothing pisses me off more than somebody running to my hook with the killer standing right there. Nothing gets my goat like some brainless idiot running around my hook with the killer in tow. Nothing makes me roll my eyes as a killer more than turning around after hooking somebody to find 2 people standing there behind a pallet 16 meters away then getting mad that I didn't leave because 3/4ths of the team is right there in front of me NOT giving me generator pressure while their teammate's life is tick ticking away. If this is how you play then yes, do us all a favor and quit.

And yes, the game is well-rounded. But look at what you are doing.....

• You hold M1 to heal
• You hold M1 to cleanse totems
• You hold M1 to do generators

Most of this game is about holding M1 at it's very core.... holding M1 till the next chase.

If you get a camping killer, you'll be doing it for less than 5 minutes... then you'll be out of there and in a new match that is hopefully more engaging.

If you can't look past these instances and do the right thing, definitely find something else to do.

You have to be bait bro theres no way you think survs dont have any good perks. Unbreakable, sprint burst, deliverance, iron will, inner strength, adrenaline, borrowed time, etc. Survs have like a dozen or so S tier perks while killers have half of that. Also youre complaning that killers are the only thing that change gameplay? I can think of like 4 different surv builds that let you play in completely different ways. I hate to break it to you man but the reason you think survivability is down is cuz u might just not be very good at surv. Theres perks that let ubplay offensively, locker builds, perks that make healing instant, altruistic builds, then theres the classic small pp builds which arent as strong post ds nerf but still plenty strong.

Well i have played several games within the past few days and surv is fine its the teammates that really screw you not as much the killer.

Things are not quite as dire for survivor as you make it sound.

I mean DS and BT lasted for 4 years while Hex: Undying only lasted for 4 months. Sooo...

As a red rank survivor main who is brand new to killer, this is utter bs. The game is inherently survivor sided (although admittedly not as severely as salty killer mains claim), and there are plenty of fun perks that work fine. Just because you're bored of meta perks doesn't mean you can't branch out. I made it to red rank without ever using ds consistently, and I don't even have other metas like unbreakable and dead hard on my main survivors. I did just fine using non meta perks, because I developed raw skill. If you're having this much of a hard time playing this game, maybe it's time to refresh your skills. Survivor is very simple, and although definitely not easy, there's not much to learn once you master the basics and experiment with every perk. Killer is heavily skill based, compared to survivor mostly being experience based. Sure, there are ways some lazy killers can shortcut through the game and exploit mechanics, use meta builds like survivors do, play scummy for no reason, but as long as they're not doing something banable, nobody can tell them they can't play how they want. Same for survivors. The learning curve for killer is massive, and experimenting with each different killer adds to that. Some killers are incredibly weak unless the player is very experienced and skilled with said killer (Blight, Billy, Nurse, etc. are good examples). It takes maybe a few days to master a new survivor perk, and months to master a killer. Huge difference.

As for boredom, maybe you're bored with survivor because you aren't experimenting enough with perks other than the meta. Try playing killer, specifically one that has a complicated ability. Try Blight perhaps. See how easy you have it. The whole 4k fantasy thing is the entire point of playing killer. Your job is to kill survivors, and you can choose to play sweaty, or not play sweaty, there's no issue here as long as the killer is a good sport. Nothing wrong with playing to win, or playing for fun. If a killer plays scummy, play scummy right back, or if u get tunneled into the ground let them have it in the chat and move on to the next match. It's that simple. Ppl need to stop shitting on killer mains just because they refuse to develop skill playing survivor.

@gendoss

Can't really shake up the meta if built-in actions/mechanics aren't addressed, like Camping Slugging and Tunneling.

Because all those 3 are available to a killer at their own leisure. So if they keep being used, they stay common and survivors bring perks around that.

I'm with you on shaking up the meta, but they would have to start introducing built-in mechanics for survivors first. To give survivors more options outside of perks.

Survivors are some of the most entitled people on the planet 🙄