Killer Streamers Are Playing Survivor
What does that tell you about the state of the killer, BHVR?
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It tells you that Killer streamers have been playing Killer for #########' ever, including when it was way worse
Let them shake it up from time to time, jesus.
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One such streamer has a series of the weekly Shrine and showcases what the killer perks do.
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It's not that they're "shaking things up," it's that killer sucks to play right now.
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Really? I have heard killer main streamers say they're playing a lot of survivor cause killer is too easy and boring right now. Zubat and Tofu come to mind
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It's literally never been better.
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If you are talking about OhTofu here, he even states in his Streams that playing Killer is boring for him. That does not mean that it sucks, it became too easy so that good players like Tofu really dont have any challenge anymore. (EDIT: @CakeDuty was faster, lol)
Let alone that most Killer Main-Streamers also enjoy playing Survivor.
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How dare someone play the other role in a videogame that they paid for! The AUDACITY of these streamers.
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You didn't mention a single name. And you're trying to make a flawed argument to begin with.
The only one I know of who switched full time is Zubat and that's because killer is too easy and boring to him.
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This is some extremely flawed logic...
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probably cuz they want to experience survivor gameplay for a change
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And people like this guy are the ones posting 24-7 on the forums, screaming things that make zero sense, so these developers who also have literally no idea about how their own game works see the threads and think "Hm... this makes sense so it must be true!".
Playing killer has literally NEVER been easier than it is today. It's actually so boring I play 3 matches and have to switch out of sheer boredom. Every single game is a 4k. If you play a top tier killer like Spirit or Freddy it becomes a routine like going to work. Pressing the same keys, always doing the same stuff. You don't need to think or come up with anything new. The killer itself and the perks carry you. Your input doesn't matter.
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Omg streamer changed role means that the game is survivors sided Dude not all streamers are gods at the game lmao
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Zubat? 73% of his content is him just sitting there playing and not talking at all. Get outta here with that Zubat and yeah, I pulled that number out of my ass: 43% of statistics are made up 38% of the time.
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What
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Funny lol
I have 4K usually but if they are not toxic i am giving last guy hatch most of times. But that is not mean playing as killer is easy. No it is not. Still gen rush defeats me. I am playing as PH, Freddy, GF and Myers. And only Freddy is A tier but still i have to play smart. One mistake can make me lose. Killers need to chase someone, defend gens and defend your hex totems. Survivor goals easier lol
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Killer has never been easier than it has been the past few months.
Sit down.
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It could also means that the gameplay is boring and too repetitive.
I don't think tofu is a person to get bored of winning or losing, he seem to me he only care about the fun aspect of the game.
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You have 4k usually because everyone does. You're really nothing special or "good" at the game. Sorry to burst your bubble mate. Death rate for everyone in general is above 80% and except fresh killers who just bought the game, -everybody- gets 3-4k every single match.
If you play killer regularly and not get 3-4k every single match you are doing something very wrong, or you're doing it on purpose and let them survive. And except for the Nurse and maybe Billy and Huntress, the rest of the killers carry themselves. Example, you can have a survivor main who barely touches killer switch to Freddy or Spirit, and after 3 matches they automatically 4k every single game. It really involves no skill or ability to "win" as killer in this game dude.
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Yeah, but winning without effort is not fun IMO.
Like, I played Spirit a few days ago. I dont really like playing her, because she does not feel rewarding, it does not feel like I have outplayed the Survivor at all. Got a 4K, 12 Hooks, 3 Gens done, never in trouble of not winning the game. And that without Stridor against 2 Iron Wills.
As long as you dont want to torture yourself as Killer with Meme-Builds, you will have no problem most of the time in Red Ranks (if you are in that Rank as well, not talking about Matchmaking-Issues here).
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Omg bro calm down lol I did not say i am special or good, i just said i have 4K but that is not mean playing as killer is easy. Why so offensive lmao
Well if you are saying playing as killer is easy and doesnt need skills, you really need to try play as killer :d I am not facing with baby survivors. Red rank survivors and sometimes swf teams. When you see them, you will understand how this game so hard for killerside. I mean that is why there is not so much killers. Devs had to nerf survivors because game was going to die, playing as killer was so hard. Now playing as killer is better but still harder than survivors.
And how you know most of people have % 80 death rate?
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It's true, DS nerf made it a lot more enjoyable*
*unless you're playing Trickster, and then it doesn't matter.
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I'm pretty sure I've been playing killer for way longer than you. I started on 2016 release. You?
Also, since when rank matters? I'm red rank. And? Do you think rank means something in this game? What means is you play more than 1 match a day. That's it.
I like how someone who probably has half my hours and started playing this years after me is trying to lecture me and explain to me how this or that works. Yeah... I know how it works.
I know this because they've shown the stats many times on stream through youtube/twitch. You had to be here to know though, and you probably weren't. They haven't released stats for a while so the last info we have is kinda outdated. This is from 2019, and the average escape rate was about 30%, means 70% died. So about 1 survivor (a bit more than that but didn't reach 2 survivors).
That was in 2019. Today? the escape rate must be more around 20%.
I encourage you to lecture people who at least don't know more than you about the topic being discussed, it kinda seems ignorant.
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And again, stop offensive bro. I didnt say "you are not playing longer than me". Why you discussing about we never talked lol. I met with that game in 2017, so yea you playing 1 year more than me, congrlations.
You are sending rate from 2019 lol Most of killers perk was strong, mori was strong. They all nerfed. So many killer and add-ons nerfed because survivors said they op. Wraith was trash all times, he finally worth to play, years later. Trapper is still trash. Billy nerfed and useless right now. Twins are weak, Trickster weak and those 2 last chapters. For example Myers was strong killer but we both know he is just trash just right now.
So this rate doesnt make any sense or confirm. Because game was killerside. For that killers nerfed so hard for years and playing killer turned to hard and not fun. That is why so many killers stopped play this game. So we have not any rate for 2 years and noone knows anything except Devs. You are saying %80 killing rates but you cant confirm that because there is not any rate from Devs. But i am ignorant how can i know that right xD
Only one thing i can agree with you: Solo-Q possibly worst thing in that game but still that is not mean playing as killer is easy. Killers are one player and survivors 4. Good solo teams can win. But most of survivors are potatoes sadly. I dont know how to fix solo-q btw.
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All these people saying that killer hasn't been easier than what it is now on the comments, but then the forums is mostly killers saying how bad the game is for them. Confusing.
IMO, I do have to agree that killer hasn't been easier. People who think killer is hard now, would have a mental breakdown after playing a match a few years ago.
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tbf tofu isn't really a good player, he's about average, nothing special at all, he does tend to whine about non issues, his reasons for playing surv more was he didn't like new movement and got embarrassed about being spun a few times
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I'm not being offensive or trying to offend you. I might sound aggressive when I talk because I'm fed up with people (like you) who quickly dismiss everything with a "then u should try playing killer lolxDDD", yeah... I play killer. Plenty. Focus more on the arguments rather than trying to suggest I should do this or that.
Anyway, the only thing that got nerfed now is mori. Most map reworks are trash and full of dead ends and dead zones. They "nerfed" (not really) Ruin and Pop, Ruin wasn't even a nerf. It just works differently now and killers with high map pressure can constantly make gens regress into oblivion because most survivors are incompetent and couldn't find a totem even if the totem had legs and ran around the map screaming.
So yes, I still believe escape rate is lower now compared to 2 years ago, but we can't know for sure until they release stats, and they won't because the developers of this game are getting more incompetent by the day. I used to love this game and appreciate the staff in this studio. They have betrayed and played us so many times at this point however that all that turned into negative.
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Because they are starting to get bored of playing Killer and I emphatize with that, I cant play certain Killers because how easy it is to get 3-4K (looking at you Spirit, Freddy and Hag) and I consider myself average (altough after reading the forums and Reddit I started to suspect Im better than average...) I cant imagine how easy is to the guys who are actually very very good at this game to get 4K after 4K and only having engaging challenges against the sweatiest of SWATs squads.
I think the only time Killer has been easier than now was during the ~4 months of old Undying+Ruin.
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I never said solo survivor exp good btw. Because it is terrible. And most of times when i play solo surv, i am dying. Because killers have so many advantages against solos. But SWF is stronger than killer and this game is bad for that.
I have not fun for year or longer idk. If you ask why you are still playing then because DbD has not any good alternatife. I tried different games but nah, DbD is still better than with those problems. Most of matches (both roles) are not fun but sometimes i have good games, that is why i am still here. But i am waiting for new MMR. That will be last chance for me. If this solve problems i will keep play but if wont, that will be good bye DbD time for me
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MMR will change that attitude.
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I still main killer 60% of my streams - just like I always have.
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I think you will also find
The big killer streamers have stopped using gen slow down perks
What’s that telling you?
someone tell me in the history of DBD when it was easier to play killer than right now
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This. These guys are trying to create an agenda. All the killer streamers I watch that stopped killer stopped because it either became boring or too easy. I haven't seen a single killer streamer stop because killer is "unfair". It's just because they either got burnt out from playing 8 hours a days or reached a point where they were so good that killer was not challenging enough.
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This sentence is very weird for me. It is like: I know it is easier to play killer right now, definitely easier than when I first started playing (2018), and I know the balance is better. Yet it doesn't feel better.
Perhaps winning against the more unbalanced stuff was rewarding, in a way. Or maybe I am going crazy... Who knows. It is just something I wanted to share.
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Agreed. I have switched to using my lower/rarely used killers to get things more competitive and still I am at the same rank as my mains. I do disagree with the spirit logic I am complete trash with her even with a headset not quite sure why. I can't hit a lunge with her for some reason and I suck at phasing and I'm not talking I played her for few games no I took to to P3 and said screw it. I play one console and do just fine with huntress, nurse, oni, blight but spirit no thanks I'll pass. I won't try again neither as when I play against her they all seem to phase straight to the hook 🙄
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No offence, but NA survivors look VERY chill to me when i watch what they go against, so i'm not surprised that they find it too easy. Not to say that everyone in EU is a god of course, but the caliber is definitely much higher.
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I have to agree that killer is pretty easy right now, and that comes from someone who mains one of the weaker killers in the game (Trapper). The only thing giving me trouble atm are the bugged chests handing out keys left and right, but that's exactly that - a bug.
Breakable walls and redesigning of problematic buildings have made chases easier than before and while gens sometimes fly by, it's also easier to generate pressure when survivors have less bullshit loops to run and are easier to down.
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2 years old stats... like... really? 2 years ago, moris were useful, ruin actually slowed gens down, billy was the most balanced killer and nurse was meta.
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Ruin still slows down gens to this day, and is way more effective than its previous version
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It doesnt matter, there is something fishy with the stats always, ALWAYS, first it was crashes, when the game got stable then it was DCs after we got DC penalty it switched intentional first hook deaths then ranks pair people with potatos, or Moris inflating stats or "they said you have to take them with a grain of salt so that 75% kill rate on Freddy means he has 7,5%" or wathever insane reason people can come with.
The only absolute fact we have is BHVR said they looked at Freddy stats several times and noticed he was always outperforming so he is getting nerfed. Now ill enter speculative zone but I believe they were fully aware very soon how strong he was and it took them this much for reasons outside of their reach (he is a licensed character after all...).
I believe the reason BHVR does not release stats anymore is because people twists them to fit their narrative in the most malignant way and in turn it turned the forum into a warzone for a month.
P.D. I do believe they are also aware on how much Spirit outperforms and how little counterplay she has, this is pretty obvious, but they dont know how to change her exactly without gutting her power.
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Sure mate, that´s why almost no killer uses it since the Undying nerf.
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My comment was about new ruins effectiveness, not the kill rates.
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lol tofu literally said killer has been way too easy and thus its boring, that's why he's not playing killer
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If you don't have issues on trapper then i wish i had your survivors.
Mine constantly disarm traps ahead of chases or whenever they have free time. And yeah.. i know where to place them.
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I mean it would tell me that they are trying to see something from both sides which is very much needed if you want to form a full proper opinion.
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I never said I don't have issues, but I also don't expect to 4k every game because that's not a healthy balance either. But I only really feel helpless against a very competent swf with an object user - and I don't run into those squads very often. At least not often enough to make me feel like killer is underpowered at the moment.
In 10 games, I'll get a 4k maybe 3 games, 2-3k 5 games and 0-1k 2 games. And most of the 0-1k games, I can look back and see that I made mistakes - stayed in the same chase for too long, didn't reset traps often, etc.
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Killer QoL is the lowest it's ever been. Survivor movement is jank as hell, you still can't track people, and more than every you get roasted for playing perkless trapper.
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Now I understand everything, so 3-4k is the average result and killer is easy Mode now.
That explains my insta queues as killer every day and my lobby Simulator as survivor.
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Killer is really only easy right now, because of survivor skill being so varied.
Crossplay On is default which gives you the casual dbd players and the rank reset setting you back only 1 color on top of depipping as survivor being difficult means that survivors get stuck at higher ranks even if their skill is not there.
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Glad to see I am not the only one who thinks that killer experience right now is not the best its ever been. Because it definitely isn't.
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It tells you that survivor queue times have been really fast lately.
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