Can you imagine a world without SWF?
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The game would have died before the Hag came out. People were clamouring for the ability to play with their friends since day one, and the game was rampant with people lobby dodging in hopes of finding their friends in queue.
SWF saved this game, and removing it would kill it.
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2 player SWF is fine.
4 player SWF is overkill and very unhealthy for this game.
and considering 4 player swf is a "minority" then removing 4 SWF wouldn't really affect the game, right?
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Yeah let's get that kill rate in the 90s
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nah without SWFs then killers would be balanced to be fair to solos.
the only reason nurse and spirit aren't getting nerfed is because of SWF and the devs know by nerfing those 2 right now it will cause a huge uproar in the killer community and SWFs will go unmatched
Devs can't balance killers around both solo and SWF it's not possible.
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SWF was planned from the start. So even if players wanted it, it was not the reason why it was implemented.
I mean, imagine creating a Multiplayer game where one side plays in a team without an option to play with friends. In 2016.
But yeah, without SWF, the game would be dead, this is correct.
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Why would you bother removing 4 man SWFs?
Most of them are alright to deal with and the amount of deathsquad SWFs is so tiny that it doesn't really matter
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From now on or since the beginning?
Cause if it's the latter, i don't think we'd be here.
And if you meant from now on: It'd take a good amount of months, but i'd see the same result eventually.
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No I can’t.
Playing Killer would be boring and easy.
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Please...those of us that have battled red ranks for years have no problem with 90% of SWFs out there. I'll ask, like I do in all these kinds of posts, probably going unanswered again, Do you lose more than you win as killer?
And if you are saying with the removal of SWFs, than you can balance around solos, then you are admitting killers would be nerfed to vs Solo Q. Surely you can not be advocating for the removal of SWF and a killer buff, can you? And if we are saying that, then we say killers that hate SWFs want an easier game, because they know they have an advantage over solo q.
I would counter, that if SWF is such a huge problem for a killer, than they are not a great killer.
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there would not be a game to play
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The game needs to be balanced for solo, just then they can start nerfing survivor even more
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swf is stacked and the game is in their favor
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That is one opinion. I would counter, in only the highest levels of play. But , once again, my question goes unanswered.
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I'm new, can someone explain SWF? I know that it means Survive With Friends, but why is there so much hate towards it?
I don't have a dog in the fight, I solo the game. Am I incorrect in understanding that SWF is a self-contained group of four buddies versus their fifth friend as the killer? Basically a private lobby? That's what I assumed it was. OR, are you saying that SWF means that groups of numbers up to four work together (through Discord in particular, I'm sure) and take on random, unrelated killers, thus coordinating in a way that makes the killer's life much more frustrating?
Or is it something else entirely?
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What people dont understand is that not all SWF's are problem. Some of them that abuses comms are problems. I am playing with my friends and we barerly use comms and at most of the matches we dont use comms. Even if we use it our win rates not changed cause we do not tell each other where we are, what we are doing and where the killer is. Then there are other SWF groups that abuses the comms which are problem. I will give you an example for that:
--I was playing Ghostface and as you can imagine stealth is important for me. One of the survivor had the perk OOO(Object Of Obsession) and she told my location to all of his friends which they all escape cause there is nothing I can do againts 4 man that knows my exact locations. Even I managed to hang all of them 2 times.
Some of you will say this is not a valid example and I would tell them this. Imagine a killer and 4 man survivor. 1 survivor can see killer but she cannot tell others. And killer can see all 4 survivors exact locations and what they are doing. Imagine facing a killer like that would you play that game?
This kind of SWF groups are the problem in my opinion. I met with random people from my solo queques and we are entering with them sometimes as groups. We dont talk perks, killers and offering and etc... Everything is random yet still we won and even we use comms results are mostly same because we use comms for basic stuff like "Ohh it is X killer"," Ohh no we are in X map" , "Dude look at that cosmetic" and so forth.
People can play with their friends and that is fine. Only problem is some people abuses the oppurtunity of the comms and ruining the killer's gameplay just like my example I gave. If you can minimize the information and only playing your game with fairness SWF is really nice and I definitelly supprot that kinds of groups because this groups will fight armed to teeth for their friends unlike in solo where people left the others if the situation turned to sticky. If you abuses comms, meeting at the corner of the map where killer has no idea and normally you shouldnt meet in normal game cause you are not organized and etc... are bad for the killer side and that kind of SWF gain unfair advantage in my opinion and destroying the killer's gameplay. I can not tell how many matches I lost because I injured them all and they meet at a secret location where they all heal and they dont use the perks like Empathy and etc... just with comms.
Overall SWF is fine unless they really abuses the power of the comms to gain huge information which normally they should not be in their normal gameplay.
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Yeah, like, how many Deathsquad SWFs are there in the whole world? 15? Worldwide? I guess the odds of going against one of them more than one time are already really low.
The rare existence of those does not justify the removal of SWF or 4 man SWFs in particular. Most of them are just people playing with their friends.
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Wdum killer good survivor bad swf op upvotes please
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I find it kinda hard to imagine as that would require BHVR being completely lost and ignorant about how "modern" (as in... post 2006-2007 at the latest, lol) multiplayer gaming works. And that doesn't sound like a company that manages to make a successful game.
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Don't be like a certain streamer who says SWF are the most unbeatable thing in DBD, it's only those tournament teams that will actually give you a run for your money.
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Can you imagine killing dbd in one move?
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where they gonna go? Friday the 13th the game?
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Anywhere but dbd.
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It'd be a very dark world. I'd certainly play a lot less DBD if I couldn't play with my friends. It'd be a pretty bad concept for an online multiplayer game. Would probably move on to Among Us or something.
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Without SWF the Game Will be dead in a few weeks, that is true.
But with the amount of bully squads and toxic premades that we can found every day, Killers leaving the Game and long queues for survivor, the Game is dying anyway.
But BHVR just dont want to Nerf premades because is the gold mine
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No, just think an little bit more
If an 2 SWF have more friends they are all gonna slowly stop playing the game
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Welp guess what.
3-4 player SWF is the minority of the player base.
So it's not going to kill the game when they leave.
They'll come back to the game eventually anyways when they realize their little boycott didn't work.
2 player SWF is fine
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Please read it again
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It wouldn't even fix anything. My last match, a Quentin managed a flashlight save on me, big signifier of Swiffering.
He was the only one -not- in the Swiffer.
Sometimes survivors just work well together.
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You're right, people playing with their friends is the most absolute scummiest thing ever. Let's take it away so they may never experience it again.
/s
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Long survivor queues will tell you that most trolling swf already ran of most of the killers that would have stuck around
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/s? this game isnt balanced around voice comms. everybody knows that. This isn't minecraft and stop pretending playing with your friends in dbd is fine
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Obviously it is not fine, but you can't just take it away since that would take away a huge part of the player base. The game is already in a very stale spot right now, taking away SWF would just take another fun thing away.
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if anything it would make the game less stale.
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How?
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SWF can stay. I just want Behaviour to then buff solos up to their level, so they can finally start making big balance/gameplay changes. Gen rush, camping, slugging, hooks, and tunneling will never be addressed in a big way (adding perks doesn't count) until they no longer have to balance for two very different survivor standards. 4 solos not running kindred and 4 person SWF teams with voice chat. You simply can't balance a game like that.
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SWF isn't the problem, it's the fact that devs don't balance around it.
Make proper matchmaking so that solos can face off against good killers, define win conditions to both sides and make ranking work around them, give solos more information and communication to bring them to SWF level, balance all killers to be able to deal with strong survivor teams.
Without SWF, DBD wouldn't be doing half as well as it does, it's important part of the game. Devs not wanting to balance around it is the problem, not SWF.
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So, SWF is not fine and something has to be done? But devs did nothing for 4.5 years
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because now there is no SWF meta people gotta learn how to solo
SWF is a crutch
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I literally only bought this game because I could play with my friends.
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In case you didn't notice, there are many players who don't like solo because of poor coordination. Solo play is not that great either when it comes down to it.
SWF is not really a crutch, just people playing with their friends.
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It wouldn't matter. So many times I've been solo and was accused of being in a swf. Some people can't accept that they're not as good as they think they are. SWF is not the problem. People will just find something else to blame their losses on.
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SWF is fine, it's the people in the SWF that ruin the fun, doesn't matter how many there are.
Punishing everyone because a few people are asshats is overkill and would ruin the game
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The game would die and killers would all be extremely OP
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No. And I don't want to.
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I'll answer that question. Honestly it a 50/50 win rate for me cause I dont care for a 4k. To me a win is 2k or more. Plus I like having fun with the survivors and scaring them.
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Thank you, you are the first. And I respect that you play to your own win definitions, I do now as well. I also respect those that want to sweat their asses off, but I find many of those are the ones that come to the forums and cry about how strong swf is because they lost a game or two. It always makes me wonder , if they are here complaining , are they losing often?
Thanks for the reply, I agree with you, fun is more important to me than any arbitrary number of kills or escapes.
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SWF as it is shrinks the killer playerbase though, it's a double edged sword.
It's one of the main reasons why nobody wants to play killer at night (at least in EU)
Everybody wants to play in SWF at the cost of waiting forever in lobby simply because it's more fun, easier and less stressful to play.
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right keep telling yourself that when comms exist.
Especially 4player SWF using OOO
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Do you not understand how atrocious solo q can be?
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