Hook skill checks=no more suicides

I fully expect the people that would suicide to keep the button mash on so they still have the option unfortunately.

Though I think the removal of hook suicide altogether would be a really healthy change personally.

You can suicide half the hook and slow bleed the rest.

I will be sad that I can't give someone the Hatch altruistically, but at the same time, there are more matches where the first or (later) survivor kills themselves immediately so those games can be saved. Also gives killers a reason to hook the third survivor instead of slugging them forever

How can anyone consider the removal of struggling and instant hook suicides a bad change or even killer sided change.

It encourages people to not give up instantly and straight up prevent accidental hook suicides. If the survivor doesn't want to play at any cost, he can still go afk but at least he'll be a distraction for the killer so that others can do gens a bit longer or get a few more alturism points they would otherwise lose out on beiing get punished for them quitting.

I still don't support the idea that survivors should be able to die and leave whenever they please with 0 penalty and this helps with it a lot. Imagine if killers had that option.

First two minutes didn't go well (gens go fast or you can't catch a good player or something like that) any killer could just press a buttom, leave with all his BP etc, no penalty and cancels the match for the other 4 people forcing them to re-que. And that can happen every game if you get several sore loser killers in a row.

And that would definetly happen quite often if killers were given the choice to quit. It's much better to encourage both sides to stay in a match as long as possible, not give them an option to quit whenever they want.

I don't think so, that would imply that DC penalty was killer sided change as well which it was not.

It significantly lowered the amount of survivors who insta DCed vs anything they didn't like, making solo que exprience more bearable and promoting healthy gameplay. This change is exactly the same as people who want to quit will at least serve their team as a temporary distraction for the killer, any time he wastes on hooknig or even camping them will benefit the other 3 survivors doing gens.

Killers don't get anything of value from survivors beiing unable to instantly kill themself, don't even metion hatch as a killer that doesn't want to give hatch, will just slug and you'll be forced to DC if you want to give it.

It's a very good QoL change that also wastes a bit more of killer's time on quitters, giving survivor slightly more time to do gens when their teammate quits on them. I look forward to it a lot as a survivor.

20 seconds is enough time for me to farm you for a WGLF stack

I mean, you're free to think so, I'm just sharing my view on the positives of such QoL changes.

I always value any changes that slow down how fast can a survivor quit on his teammates if he doesn't like something. Any time gained from killer killing a quitter insted of them insta DCing is a win for me, the precious seconds to work on gens before a killer can focus on someone else is something that positively impacts my survivor gameplay unlike killer getting BBQ stack which doesn't hinder my survivor gameplay in any way.

I don't think I said anything about that either side should care about other side's experince, it's nice when they do but overall they should mainly care about their main goal, surviving and killing.

Well if you don't value the additional time from the detours, that's fine, I do. The hatch I already said that it's the killer who allows hatch to be given, not survivor.

I agree that some things that are too strong should be rebalanced like iri heads but that doesn't justify quitting on players who use them. They're part of the game as much as anything else. I hate facing trapper even when he's weak, that doesn't justify me to quit/suicide in 100% of my matches vs him instantly. Imagine if all kilers instantly DCed when DH is even once used, the game would be unplayable. But they don't, they suck it up and just play the damm game.

As a person who experiences random button mash failures this is a wonderful change. I only play with friends when it comes to survivor, and I hate when I'm tapping my spacebar and suddenly I die anyway.

I hate feeling like I've failed my friends with an unintended suicide.

You most likely aren't going to be getting skill checks every 2.5 seconds.

If the killer finds the hatch instantly it's because of dumb luck.

They either already found it, or it takes them just as long to scour the entire map as it does the survivor.

With my SWFs it's usually "I'll struggle as long as I can to give you time to find the hatch."

Exactly. This change isn't BAD- I've had plenty of games ruined from just one friend accidentally dying during struggle thanks to the unforgiving nature of it + sudden unexpected frame drops LMAOOO, but it's frustrating thing bit annoying that you won't be able to help a teammate out with giving them hatch by letting yourself go. There are plenty of games where there is nothing left and the best thing you could do is not extend the game any further and just allow the last guy to get hatch when he obviously found it. I certainly don't care to stay in a match where there are still 2 gens left to be done and there is literally no way that the random solo and I can complete them and escape together LOL

Any killer main who doesn't spend much time on survivor is 100% wrong if they think the current hatch mechanic is balanced 50/50. I don't think that it is something that BHVR really cares that much about, though, tbh. Which is fair enough, I just wish they would ensure that there were better exit gate spawn logic happening each game if they were gonna make hatch even more difficult to have a chance at getting LOL

If a person truly wants out of the match they do not have to be able to suicide on hook. If they get rescued they can just stand still and do nothing, or run and find the killer and go down again. Either way you're down a team mate.

You saying this makes me feel that the only times you get kills are when survivors kill themselves on hook.