Every match should have an obsession!!

I actually agree with this.

Decisive Strike + Obsession was hands down the best thing to happen to this game in all honesty, I don't care what anyones view of the perk is but having killers scared of obsessions being in the game helped massively with tunneling and if it was never a thing the game would just be a tunnel off hook simulator, and whenever there isn't an obsession it tends to be exactly that, tunneling off hook regardless of what anyone else is doing in the match.

There are plenty of times where there is no survivor created obsession and instead it's a killer created one and the killers still don't tunnel off hook, this already happens, the uncertainty is usually enough to stop instant hook tunneling, which is the main issue with not having an obsession.

So you're telling me killers will magically be able to figure out who and who doesn't have DS based on 2 weeks of perm obsession because thy would have figured out how often it is taken or not?

Someone either has it or they don't, no obsession guarantees nobody has it, one obsession means someone could have it.

It's not magic.

If every game has an obsession, then the only data I have is my own match history. After 2 weeks or so of trying to lightly tunnel and only seeing ds in 2/10 matches (example number) I won't judge the next match as being very likely to have ds. No magic required, just basic pattern recognition. As it currently stands, if as killer I know I'm not running any obsession perks, then seeing the obsession means a much higher chance than 20% that ds is present (personally I'd say 80-90, based on my own experience)

Just what i think. If the killer wants to tunnel someone he will give it a try and grab you again even if there is an obsession in the match..

@Bearded_Owl If you don't want to suffer tunneling then use DS, if you don't use it then suffer the consequences. I don't get the point of making a thread about this.

The difference being is there is a guarantee of no DS if there is no obsession currently, if there is an obsession always you can tunnel someone but you'll never know if you'll be hit with DS.

Although that's true, they still act like DS is there because they don't know if they took off their obsession perk would the obsession still be there. So they act like the answer is "Yes" to make it easier on themselves.

Then grab DS lol. In any case there being an obsession or not its not very relevant to a killer because many builds include obsession perks so most of the times there is always an obsession.. and besides that if the killer wants to tunnel you he will still grab you anyway and risk being hit by DS.

Love how we´ve gone from survivors claiming that they equip DS only to avoid getting tunneled, to completely avoiding the perk and then complain about it.

Made it just more obvious, that they used DS in unintended ways.

Well first if all, yeah they should implement the permanent obsession for every trial since it won't hurt or affect anyone not tunneling just like the ds change does not hurt anyone using the perk truly as anti of the hook tunnel mechanic (the effect against tunneling was NOT changed). But survivor should keep in mind that it won't be a long-term solution.

Just to make my point I am going to exaggerate with the numbers. Let's assume over 75% of all survivor ran ds pre change. Now half of them dropped it because they feel it isn't worth the slot anymore. And ones the permanent obsession is implemented half of the rest also drop the perk because they only did for the obsession part as a tunnel deterrent. Now less than 20% of all survivor run it anymore (that's less than one survivor on average per trial). At some point most killer will notice the trend and the obsession will lose it's effect as a placebo.

This is just an overestimate and I personally won't care since it's a long time since I was hit with ds but everybody should just keep in mind that a placebo is only as strong as the substituted reagent.

Completely avoiding it? No just less people using it, nobody is completely avoiding it, this is an issue before the DS change, where killers would tunnel if there wasn't an obsession, it's just a more obvious issue now that less people are running a perk that deactivates if you try and quickly heal your saviour or tap a regressing gen you were hooked next to, good try though ❤️

Like deja vu reading that I'm sure you copy paste that 3 gen line lol

Damn nice 4k in just over 9 minutes

Damn nice watching a 10 minute video in 3 minutes! The survivors only died, because their controllers had no batteries left. Otherwise, where is no explanation of them just standing there, afk and waiting to get downed.

You´d have seen that, if you actually watched the video.

Sounds like Blood Pact but better.

Ontopic: Yeah sure why not. At least you get more points if you escape/die as obsession.

Watch the video and listen to Scott, he literally says in reply to someone asking how gens are getting done so fast is "because I've not been downing anybody". And also you truly are lying to yourself if you think those survivors who reacted immediately to Scott moving towards them had battery deaths lmao, you clearly don't play killer if you've never had a survivor meme at a window and stare at you. This is, hilarious.

Yes I agree he got his first hook after three gens because he purposely allowed a flashlight save and then didn't look into a wall, how ridiculous dude. Throwing all your pressure for the lulz but three gens got done so survivors op.

The thing is, creating an Obsession would at least give the Killer a choice if they want to take a risk or not. If they do and the Survivor does not have DS, the Killer knows this. If he does not take the risk, it at least gave him a reason to not tunnel the person off the hook.

However, without Obsession, there is no risk involved, most of the time Killers just go for the tunnel, because it is the easiest way to win (and we all know how easy Killers want to have it :) ):

I mean, currently I am even using suboptimal builds on my Killers - if I would like to play scummy and tunnel one person out of the game ASAP, I would stop using STBFL. This Perk currently hinders me more, because it is creating an Obsession. Without this, I would know that nobody is running DS and I would be free to tunnel - which would be more effective than using any Perk.

Does not sound right, eh?

Maybe it's because I play both sides, but no, I am not offended by either team completing their objectives quickly.

Nah, it is just not right that I am better off without using Perks which greatly benefit a Killer (e.g. STBFL on Demo), because then I would know when to tunnel and when not.

And as I said, the Obsession would at least give a risk to the Killer. If they want to tunnel and see that the person does not have DS, they at least took a risk before. But now they can just tunnel freely without an Obsession.

(I mean, let alone that DS does not do anything against tunneling)

If ds doesn't do anything against tunneling, then what risk is the killer taking by tunneling in a match with an obsession? Either ds is such a good perk that the possibility of it (obsession) can prevent tunneling or it isn't. Can't have it both ways I'm afraid.

You've made 8 posts here, most on your own thread and just figured out how quoting works, so I am going to guess that you haven't been around here much. Once you get over the same 5 users who constantly have the same gimmicks going, you'll see that the opinions on every playstyle are varied across all players.

Or, to put it more simply, I'm far from the only one who doesn't view tunneling as a problem that needs to be removed, and rather sees it as a tactic that can be counted by good players. For evidence feel free to check my own post history where you can see a thread I made "the case for tunneling" where the biggest response I got was from people amazed that I felt the need to point out that the game currently and according to the devs does not and will never "punish" tunneling in any way, even with the pip penalty camping receives.

As far as pattern recognition? Play killer, play enough to get red ranks, then spend 2 weeks there and log what perks you face in Survivor teams. It's that easy, to stay in red as a killer you have to be able to recognize the patterns that emerge as they change the meta. The majority of people who play killer recognize and follow that, which is how they'll know when ds use drops. I can tell you from my own data, for instance that ds has dropped about 50% from teams I face since the nerf. It's the biggest change I've seen to the overall patterns since MoM came in and was nerfed. Clearly from the comments here I am far from the only one seeing that kind of change.

It's a fine thing to discuss. I just don't believe the obsession every match thing will do much more than give, at most a very temporary change. To actually lower or stop tunneling I think would take one of two options.

1. Every Survivor only has 1 hook state, so as soon as they are hooked, they die. This would make it impossible to tunnel, but also make a terrible experience for the Survivors and end up with matches over far too quickly, so I don't thi5it will work long term.

2. Force killers to only hook someone twice after everyone has been hooked once, and they can only got for the death hook once everyone has been hooked twice. This is a worse idea, it takes all agency from the killer and would end up with teams where one person would just hide all match so no hook states could progress. The killer meanwhile would be practically forced to slug out, which isn't fun for anyone involved.

What I actually believe should be done, is people should just bring ds. It's still a great perk. If you don't have ds there are about a half dozen other perks Survivors can equip to mimic the passive of ds, and still use ds as a threat. An obsession every match nerfs that effect completely and takes that bluff out of the game for Survivors.