Don’t let the door kick you on the way out Freddy (:

I hope the door does kick him

I'm surprised nobody's upset at how they completely gutted black box for Freddy. They turned a decent addon into an extremely situational blood warden. It literally only works at the end of the game when the gates are open but it only affects SLEEPING survivors and if all those conditions are met it prevent from escaping for......10 whole second. I don't know about you guys but that's utter madness and Black Box is quickly going to turn into the worst addon in the game because christ, nobody ever complained about it before the change.

Gen speeds and the win rate of specific killers are two completely different things.

I actually agree with you that the whole "the stats say X" argument that the devs give is nonsensical and pointless.

There, you no longer look witty. Even though you never did. Run along now.

I've 4k'd with the "new" Freddy 4 games in a row on the PTB. He's far from unusable and his new add-on that increases groans plus Stridor is so obnoxious XD I love it lol. I use that with the other jump rope that makes foot steps louder and its amazing.

If you believe his slow down add-ons were fine for the game, I have a time share to sell you.

I swear if I see another person bitching and whining about gen speeds...

I will ask them politely to please move to the DBD Steam forums.

What perks are you using?

Wraith, Freddy, and Demo.

I've heard of doors hitting people on the way out, I wasn't aware they were now kicking people instead!

Wood, ah, uh, finds a way.

Very much disagree with the new addons being useless. Sound is everything in DBD. 50% louder footsteps and a counter to Iron Will that doesn't involve using Stridor? These are good Add Ons.

Even though he can teleport to Generators also being able to hear them from 8m further away saves time on patrolling.

Black Box may be useless but give me all of those sound increasing Add Ons. Imma eat them up.

The change to traps doesn't matter one bit to people who know how to use his traps.

Super Slow Down Freddy's that needed all that extra time to win, and needed to be able to move at 115% speed while placing traps in loops are in trouble. But people who didn't need any of that to be good with Freddy are just shrugging their shoulders like "Okay, thanks for the louder survivors."

"Thanks for ruining his basekit completely, so i can win."

New new Freddy is still strong, play the PTB to see.

The only difference is that he now requires people to think instead of just spamming snares.

They moved him from S tier to maybe S- Tier.

People are still going to play him, the nerfs do not solve what make him powerful, they just make him slightly less so.

Yeah dream pallets were way too op. They deserved a nerf

I don't know what's more worrying. That you don't think Freddy is S tier, or that 2 people agreed with you. Freddy is S tier, even with the nerfs. He shortens loops and has map wide presence.

With the nerfs, if he wasn't already he's at the bottom of S Tier, S -. The nerfs don't change anything about him that was strong.

Also why you putting Blight in S Tier? Unless Blight is JFlicking, which is an exploit and will be if it hasn't already been removed, then there's plenty you can do against him. You said yourself that S Tier is reserved for characters that you can't do anything about, yet Freddy fits that bill nicely and Blight you can counter his power just by looping a rock.

Why is your source of Freddy being B tier literally only one person lmao

Basically everybody else without even thinking about it puts them in S tier.

have you thought maybe Tofu is the outlier and not the standard?

You mean like people playing spirit and freddy who are too lazy to learn killers that actually require some skill to reach red ranks? Let alone that Killers learn very early on that killing 1 survivor through facecamping will pretty much guarantee them the win, they dont need to learn ######### untill they start facing survivors who are good enough to punish a facecamping killer properly. Let alone that having solo survivors makes it even possible for killers to never truly get punished for facecamping the first survivor untill they reach red rank.

Killers being handed an advantage due to a lack of communications between solo survivors. Or is that suddenly not "too lazy to learn"?

Cant wait to see you getting rekt by overnerfed freddy and still crying like a little baby :(

Even old Freddy is better than depipster lmao. I don’t think the nerfs are gonna be that bad. Demo almost got rat tail and rat liver nerfed but they reverted it after people said that was a bad idea. I don’t think Freddy is becoming f tier anytime soon.

Nurse has a higher skill cap, but she's not harder than survivor gameplay as her power literally ignores mindgaming, pallets, windows, any obstacles in general. 50 hours in Nurse and I can win 95% of my games as Nurse. It takes easily over 100 hours to start winning 95% of your survivor games consistently.

And yes, while Myers and Pig can only do so much at loops, it's the way you apply it that actually increases their skill ceiling higher than you'd expect. When I play Myers, I actually actively use the killer shack window as you vault faster than survivors expect you to do. Causing you to close the gap where other killers cannot. Piggy has a lot of places she can bounce or moondash that survivors never expect. Nurse, however, is just learning where your blink ends up and then just brute forcing. That's not exactly hard, it's time consuming, but not hard.

Survivors, however, need to learn to gain value out of every single thing they have, against every single killer there is. Survivors have the most complex playstyle as they have to face the most complex opposition. Where killers will always face survivors that have access to the same mechanics. Your skillsets from 1 killer will mostly carry over to another killer, where the skillsets you gained against 1 killer rarely carries over to another.

So to fix your sentence: "Nurse especially is about 10 times harder to counter as a survivor than Survivors are as killer in general."

Nurse takes skill to truly master, sure, but so does survivor.