Trickster Should Be A 4.5m/s Killer
Despite the changes he received he’s still bad at applying pressure. I’ve been playing as him and against him and he’s still kinda underpowered. ShowStopper really isn’t strong enough to warrant the 110% movement speed, they should either reduce the number of knives it takes to injure someone or buff his movement speed.
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I mean then I would just M1 people still primarily unless we are talking about scaling his knife speed with his move speed.
Not gonna lie, short of a TON of changes, just raising his move speed to 4,6 and seeing what happens is probably the safest move. At least for a PTB test like they could pretty much just toggle it on for a bit and let people try it.
I mean, he's so weak that he probably won't be over powered, and if it is then we would know on the PTB where it's harmless. That's what it's for I wish they would use it for that purpose.
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112,5% killer...
This game is not prepared for doing that!
But tbh, he still really suffering in Jungle Gyms. Maybe, this change will help him slightly.
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I just got my Adept at Rank 4 with him after the patch dropped on Hawkins with 1 BNP, 2 toolboxes and a key. He's fine.
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I just got my Adept at Rank 4 with him after the patch dropped on Hawkins with 1 BNP, 2 toolboxes and a key. He's fine.
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I'd prefer to keep him 110% and buff his power and mechanics to make his slower speed warranted, but at the current rate, I wouldn't be surprised if he got a speed boost instead of a mechanics buff.
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He's absolutely not lol.
I have no doubts that we are going to see another pass over him soon, and probably another if they keep taking small steps like this.
He is unquestionably the worst killer in the game right now even post buff.
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I completely disagree. I've been saying Spirit is bullshit for months now and have even started playing as her for months and 4k'ing at Rank 1 with still gens left but everyone kept saying, Spirit is fine. Spirit is fine. No, she is not but everyone keeps saying Trickster is still terrible yet I don't have much problem with him. I play him like Huntress.
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And I can get Adept Trapper what’s your point? A killer can still be weak but it can still be possible to get adept with them.
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They should I’m surprised we still don’t have a 4.5 killer yet. Trickster seems like the best killer to give it to.
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That's just more incentive to catch up to survivors and be an m1 killer. It's boring.
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If you can adept with 3 perks at red ranks that don't help the killer because they don't match his power very well, he ISN'T weak.
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This is such a band-aid fix to his power.
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Hag with bodyblocking traps is 4.5 iirc but that is an addon so it doesn't really count I guess.
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I've been playing him today. I think he's in a good spot.
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Yeah, thats the waterlogged shoe I believe ? She cant teleport so she can move faster.
I honestly think buffing tricksters movement speed is not the way to go, there has to be way to tweak his power. I'm on the, make ricochet basekit, since the ricocheting blades are not even that strong, atleast it'd make games interesting and maybe you'd get that stray hit to make things easier. I honestly don't know what to do with this beautiful boy, but just increasing his base speed is not the way to go.
Maybe they should take off the speed reduction when throwing knives? Dont really know, I just hope he doesnt sit and rot since I love him so much.
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I don't think that just buffing Trickster is the way to go.
The character needs an identity. A reason to play him instead of the three other Ranged characters; something that only he can do.
As is he's a worse Plague, and the only thing straight buffing him can do is to make him a better Plague.
He needs some uniqueness. A rework or something new added to his kit, not just buffs.
As for movement speed specifically, I don't think 112.5% would make Trickster better at throwing knives or at being a more unique and interesting character in terms of gameplay.
It'd just make him better at being "baseball bat dude"
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Yeah same here, I don't think him being a 4.6 is what he needs, personally I like that idea but that would mean going into the old legion route which was not fun in anyway as you might remember.
The bouncing default is what he should've had since release imo, or maybe just maybe reduce the 8:1 to something like 6:1 and if that was a problem, balancing from there.
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making him 115 would not fix his core issues.
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Trickster is fine. If he's bad then I don't know how my downs average 10 seconds a piece.
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I don't get the people who seriously think he's fine after these lackluster changes. It still takes 2-3 gens just to get your first hook if the survivors aren't complete potatoes, at that point the game's almost as good as lost for Trickster.
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Mostly people with little killer specific experience, biased survivor mains or people new to the game, and people who want to brag and try and make you think they are amazing at the game by doing well when not working with an optimal killer.
I just ignore comments once I realize that it's one of those three things because there is no discussion to be had with any of those folks.
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- On what map did you get the adept?
- how often did you down people with the power?
- how many matches did you need to get the adept?
- Try playing the same build for adept multiple times and see how often you get merciless or brutal
Just because you got merciless in one match doesn't mean the killer is fine, you got a good match, the survivors played bad, there are other factors that could lead you to a victory IN ONE MATCH.
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I am not saying Trickster doesn’t need a buff or isn’t weak or anything...
but... I thought this was the case for every killer and that’s the reason why the game is supposed to be so survivor sided?
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Tricksters power is once again a combination of other killer powers and i'd say the devs took the worst things out of each power:
- he is a ranged killer (Huntress) so he has to be 110% because his power can down survivors from a distance
- he has to hit survivors multiple times to injure/down survivors (OG Legion) 'nuff said
- he has to fill a meter with his power (Plague), but doesn't inflict any downside when the meter is full (except of course that the next hit will injure the survivor) and it even regresses over time
You are better off playing any of the other 3 killers i mentioned than playing trickster. You want to play a ranged killer? take huntress because one hit is one health state down ( or deathslinger if you don't want the 40m radius). You want to get a lot of hits? play Legion, he has stall potential with Deep Wounds. You want to fill a meter to get an instadown on survivors? Play Plague, she will get them broken even if she hits them once with the green puke, also has that nasty black puke that injures you.
Buffing his movement speed isn't gonna help much, his power need a drastic change because it's useless compared to other killers
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orrr maybe you got git gud?
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That really depends on the survivors you are facing.. i have screenshots of many 4k with the Trickter in red ranks, and that means hes fine or decent? No he is still horrible when we are talking about competent survivors. He can't cut loops fast enough, and his power is really useless in most cases.
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Any increase to his base speed will just turn him into a M1 killer with a weak power.
Instead, tie a slowdown effect to his lacerations.
Each Laceration reduces the survivors sprint speed by 1% up to a max of 7%. This way you get reward for landing hits by being able to catch up to the survivor, which would make it easier to either land more knives or an M1. Once injured, the lacerations reset and they go back to normal speed, so your payoff is either slow down OR injury. That wouldn't be OP.
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Yep that's the best explanation one can give about the Trickster. If they buff his mov speed it will solve only the problem of being looped easily but the power will remain mediocre. I would prefer a proper power change instead, the ones given in the recent patch obviously aren't enough.
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Some random guy just got the adept that means he's fine.
Well random people got the adept before his buff and before his chaser emblem was fixed. Doesn't mean he was fine
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Even I've managed to get a Merciless on Hawkins with a key in play, and I can't hit a damn thing with his knives.
That doesn't mean Trickster is fine, that just means a 110% M1 killer can work on Hawkins.
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I main deathslinger so I can tell you for a fact trickster is too weak.
deathslinger's spear is powerful enough that it gets around most loops
trickster on the otherhand his power cannot be used at most loops far too often I'm playing trickster and I can't stop but thinking "they would be downed by now if I was playing deathslinger" and it's true. He's too slow and his power is too weak.
The knives need to be buffed to justify his slow movement speed
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I actually play Deathslinger to recover from the mental trauma of having to play this garbage killer we know as Trickster. Getting 4Ks right away but the moment I try to play Trickster I only see zero or one-kill scenarios. He might very well be the weakest killer ever released in the history of DbD, I dare say this 5th anniversary might turn out to be the worst of them all. Just one failure after another.
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With 4,5 or even 5m/s he is just gonna be a better M1 killer.
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he needs ricochet as a base kit
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I only play games with him since yesterday on console, yes trickster and weak too weak
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Just going to make this short and sweet. Trickster is fine now. He's decent enough to come at on top. You boost his speed any more and half the forum will be on fire in a day with pitchforks. Just because you can't ALWAYS win with a killer doesn't mean they aren't good. Reminds me of people on here who think Spirit is fine and doesn't need any tells. Makes me worried about balancing due to feedback and how people just ignore everything because they want something a certain way. I will never agree with most but I will always share my reasoning for why I dislike or like certain things.
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Last night did Trickster all night. Last 3 matchs were from eh 2-4 got out. Or i just didn't get anything because when hes looped around ANYTHING at all, hes forced to M1 because you're just wasting time at that point. 9 daggers from base for 1 level?? Thats a bit...not good....maybe 6-7. He feels ultra Addon reliant and you need stalling perks just to make him..playable. Definitely not strong. (I then went to play huntress for 1 singular game and there was a huge difference in how easily i could get downs)
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It takes 8 knives to change health states basekit. 7 with the green add-on.
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I think buffing his movement speed is just a band-aid on a bigger issue: his power. Most 4.4 killers have crippling punishments for making mistakes at tiles or being caught not on your toes. A slinger will harpoon you, reel you in and get the M1, a huntress will get you with a hatchet, spirit will phase on your spine, etc. Being caught out of position by a trickster, if you aren’t in M1 range it’s kinda just spray and pray with his knives. He needs a stronger power to warrant a 4.4 movement speed, because every other 4.4 killer takes a very quick advantage when survivors make mistakes, trickster just simply does not.
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Trickster is not fine, even if you're good with the knifes (which I am very good) you still struggle if you're being looped in a place where you can't use your knifes (around a rock as an example). You need to shot 8 times with knifes, in which point would have been better to M1... I get it, there are times to use his power and times where is not wise, but actually Trickster power has less accuracy the farest the survivor is, which means you can't really get many shots if they're too far so you need to use his power relatively close which means you can wait and just M1.
The only thing I think it's good, is when you're on a big loop, big enough to let you lift the knives and hit him a couple of tinmes each side, like the shack and even sometimes it doesn't work well.
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