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When is something going to be done about the cheating survivors?

I've noticed that almost every survivor player uses external tools to gain unfair competitive advantages. For example, Discord, TeamSpeak, console voice chats, etc. There is no voice chat in Dead by Daylight, which means that these tools are objectively cheating. Every survivor who uses them needs to be banned, permanently.

Inb4 "buh muh devs said-" nothing the devs say matters. Cheating is not defined by what Almo or some other clown says. Cheating is defined by what is possible in the unmodified game.

Comments

  • notstarboard
    notstarboard Member Posts: 3,903
    edited April 2021

    Voice chat is not cheating. It makes no sense for a game with a party system that's sold on platforms with built-in voice chat to disallow voice chat.

  • SnowMiser
    SnowMiser Member Posts: 39

    Oh, you found the hidden built-in voice chat option? No? Neat, it's still cheating, because you can't do it in the unmodified game.

  • GannTM
    GannTM Member Posts: 10,894

    Well it's a miserable experience not being able to communicate with teammates. Dying on first hook because no one knew who was doing what is a lovely time.

  • SnowMiser
    SnowMiser Member Posts: 39

    It's more fun than having a guaranteed win because you have perfect information.

  • Mert_MK
    Mert_MK Member Posts: 674

    Never. Not like there is any need to.

    They even encourage it by having voice channels for SWF in their official Discord Server

    Next.

  • WiiFitTrainer
    WiiFitTrainer Member Posts: 788
    edited April 2021

    As soon as Microsoft and bhvr reach a deal that disables all other software from running at the same time as dbd.

  • MadLordJack
    MadLordJack Member Posts: 8,814

    Unless you're masochistic (like me) then pure solo que is just... like, what is someone going to do in the ten situations per trial where the really need to pass on info or everyone dies regardless of skill or effort? Solo Que is for the psycho's that have lost all sanity, not for people that want to actually try and escape.

  • Itooshie
    Itooshie Member Posts: 174
    edited April 2021

    🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

    IMAGINE saying the devs they cant tell you what is or is not cheating in their own game.

    🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

  • bgbomb
    bgbomb Member Posts: 434

    To be honest.

    What is the difference between voice chat and wall hack?

    They both gain advance by not in game program.

    And make some of their opponent play style totally meanless.

  • GannTM
    GannTM Member Posts: 10,894

    It’s really not a free win. I’ve been able to beat some decent teams on comms with Pig before.

  • Grandpa_Crack_Pipe
    Grandpa_Crack_Pipe Member Posts: 3,306

    Cheating in this game is not determined by the developers of this game.

    Only me.

    I determine everything.

    It's my game. It's my game now, Almo. Hand me the keys.

  • SnowMiser
    SnowMiser Member Posts: 39
  • MadLordJack
    MadLordJack Member Posts: 8,814

    Say what now? Don't... Don't repair gens, save people, heal people, use any pallets, or even get into any chases?

  • EvanSnowWolf
    EvanSnowWolf Member Posts: 1,583


    Cheating is breaking the rules.


    Unless you can find where Behavior said this is NOT allowed, then no one is cheating.


    I will save you the trouble: they are cool with it.

  • Kirkylad
    Kirkylad Member Posts: 1,927

    Sounds like someone just got wrecked by a SWF team lmao.

  • SnowMiser
    SnowMiser Member Posts: 39

    I agree, cheating is breaking the rules. The rules of the game are defined not by developer fiat, but by the game's code. Tell me, where is the in-game voice chat? It doesn't exist. It is cheating.

  • Firellius
    Firellius Member Posts: 4,558

    Dude, even with these 'cheats', survivors die way more often than they escape. The game isn't balanced for solo play.

  • SnowMiser
    SnowMiser Member Posts: 39

    Don't do those when it's not safe to, no. Learn to hide when the killer comes by and do gens when they're gone. If you get seen, you deserve to die.

  • Jasix
    Jasix Member Posts: 1,245

    Yes because Microsoft; who is in negotiations to buy Discord, will definitely want to upset their users by disabling the ability for them to use Discord in games. LOL.

    And BHVR has already stated numerous times that comms are allowed and not viewed as cheating.

    But you keep living in your fantasy world.

    FYI - I am a killer main and have NO issue with comms or SWFs - I actually prefer going against SWFs - makes the games more fun and more rewarding when I beat them :)

  • Another_LegionMain
    Another_LegionMain Member Posts: 399

    Bait?

  • Jasix
    Jasix Member Posts: 1,245

    The trolls are out in force today. One got banned earlier which was hilarious. Hopefully BHVR will wake up and give people a frickin IGNORE/BLOCK feature on the forums so people who actually wanna discuss things can without the idiocy of the trolls.

  • Mew
    Mew Member Posts: 1,833

    please tell me this is satire,,,

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  • Ecstasy
    Ecstasy Member Posts: 426
    edited April 2021

    I mean, objectively, it's not cheating. As you said, it's not prohibited, so it's not really cheating by definition. The developers have classified it as acceptable & encourage those players and playstyle.

    It does, however, clearly undermine the basic gameplay assumptions and conditions in ways that are materially significant still. Basically, yeah, it's pretty damn dense to pretend voice-communication doesn't fundamentally alter a game where you're normally can't even type a message to any other play saying that you need a rescue, stay on gen, trap right there, etc. or any of the potentially huge bits of information exchanged by players regularly in the most casual usage of voice-communication. Even those sorts of little things on their own attribute to the sort of mistakes and miscalculations that spiral out into major consequences for the survivor side.

    You can't really eliminate all the chaos and confusion the game depends upon and say its the same game. It is actually very similar to someone using perma-wallhack software in that way. Neither are an instant win, but its unbalanced information that dramatically alters their chances beyond what they should be and eliminates all the normal errors that would constitute normal gameplay.

    Really it's hard to ignore how VC has as much impact as most forms of cheating in most other arenas. It's all very much a steroids equivalent. They're forms of performance enhancement that render teams--of any given skill or starting level--that much better than they would be without it. Meanwhile the significance of that boost is largely a function of their own starting skill and effectiveness at utilizing the boost to its full capacity. It can basically be roid-raging "break this game in half!" boosting, or it can be "but i just need that littttttttttttle edge!" boosting, and everything in-between... which just calls itself the latter anyhow regardless of the edge. (This being the process of how people convince themselves cheating is acceptable in any iteration).


    Again though, that's all allowed and okay here. Unlike steroids or hacks.

    So what do you do about that contradiction?

    My clarified definition is "de-facto cheating", because, well, that's what you're left with. It's not cheating so far as the rules are concerned (that being differentiated as "de jure cheating"), however it's also something hard to look at--as a logical, objective person who understands the game mechanics--and end up concluding that the average match allowing VC would be roughly similar to that exact same match if it occurred without VC. There's an indisputable--and rather massive--edge fundamentally altering the sort of game and techniques you're up against.


    The phrasing "de-facto cheating" is a direct acknowledgement that it is indeed allowed, but a reminder that perhaps it shouldn't be--or at least that it should be incorporated and balanced. It's an acknowledgement of being within the rules, while also noting the function parallel steroids in baseball or wall-hacks in counter-strike.

    To propose another type of "de-facto cheating" example: I suppose it's along the lines of recognizing how it would still be still cheating in-effect regardless of whether Uno added some written rule into the game where as long as someone is getting up to pee (and only pee, not grab a beer or anything) and your name is Dan, then you can look at the other player's cards. Its like... okay, yeah official rule... but c'mon. That's not--you just can't say that's the same damn game. It doesn't vibe with its own essence and expression.

    The idea is similar here, except--instead of Dan bribing Uno Von Unomaker to add that rule--Dan is a bunch of streamers and cosmetic purchasers who also demand the capability of playing with friends (+the massive booster doing that with voice-coms adds). Thus, BHVR has their pupils turn into a bunch of spinning $$$ signs start in the style of a cartoon character while their tongues roll onto the ground like an unfurling carpet and they mutter "sure sure anything you betcha sure," and thus balance is born.

  • DerpyPlayz
    DerpyPlayz Member Posts: 583

    Well, depends on what you define as cheating.

    I would actually argue in your favor as cheating would be defined as "Any method or exploit in a game or out of a game, that offers a unfair advantage that is not directly intended nor supported by normal gameplay" imo.

    However, what could the devs do really? I mean, as a counter argument to this what do you think the developers would do? If the developers employed something to stop chat in discord, and even then if it did stop discord from allowing you to talk then what about if you are talking with people in discord and playing different games? Would you just no longer be able to talk until you stop playing DBD and if so that would be really annoying.

    One last counter argument is, in some sense the devs do actually support it as they have they're own DBD Discord server, and have a slot for a SWF in the Voice Chat section.

  • DerpyPlayz
    DerpyPlayz Member Posts: 583

    Actually it is worse for balance or better depending on the survivors really.

  • DerpyPlayz
    DerpyPlayz Member Posts: 583

    If you just defined what cheating is then this would be alot easier and alot shorter.

  • DerpyPlayz
    DerpyPlayz Member Posts: 583

    This is a fallacy.

    Words are tools, and as such it depends. It is completely fair to question the considerations of cheating and what it is defined as.

    The fact that some people here support this thread, and some don't are clear indications of this, so with this fact going over your head it is really quite ironic how you are calling people clowns.

  • Ecstasy
    Ecstasy Member Posts: 426

    Putting any abstract and relative concept into a rigid definition wouldn't be easier or shorter. And if it is, then its certainly not as accurate.

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  • DerpyPlayz
    DerpyPlayz Member Posts: 583
    edited April 2021

    Thats why you don't do that and you be accurate AND precise, duh.

    In any case, if you don't define what you are talking about you can't even start to be accurate because you don't know what you are arguing for nor vs.

    Its like trying to make a argument for or vs a god with someone, and then never defining it. That's dumb, you are just going to end up never understanding each other if you guys don't agree on what a god is or in this case cheating.

    Some people think exploits are not cheating because they are in the game and therefore you should be able to use them, others say they offer unfair advantages. Some people think using any glitch, even a glitch that doesn't give a unfair advantage is cheating, ect. The list goes on.

    This is why defining cheating would of helped you, instead of just giving a bunch of theoretical situations in which someone could or couldn't find this as cheating. Also, nothing is wrong with your method, its accurate just not precise, and there is a difference between the two.

  • Zozzy
    Zozzy Member Posts: 4,759
    edited April 2021

    Had a game where all 4 solo survivors had kindred. We did the gens so fast that everyone got a depip and the killer (bubba) got 3 hooks.

    Nobody saved untill we needed to and just pumped gens because we could see who was doing what.

    To think SWF have this info every game.

  • sesawyer3127
    sesawyer3127 Member Posts: 342

    Thus my solo survivor hell. So ,any times I see other solo survivors doing dumb stuff I wish I could talk to them. Even so, most of them will still DC or suicide on the hook out of rage. Happens every night I play in multiple matches,,, it should be banned!

  • Rizzo
    Rizzo Member, Administrator, Mod Posts: 17,947

    Using voice chats is not cheating, I'm closing this thread that just spreads false information.

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