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Vent: I am really sick of survivor entitlement
BEFORE YOU READ: Yes, I am aware killer entitlement is just as bad. This is just a bad encounter I had with survivors tonight and it seems to be happening a lot in my postmatch chat.
I was playing Huntress on Coal Tower. It was a pretty easy game, I 4k'd and there was a streamer in my match. I thought I'd stop by his stream and say GG, but before I could even do that, he starts absolutely flaming me in the chat. Calls me a tunneler, camper, slugger, calls me bad at the game, and some other names. He then accuses me of stream sniping his friend, which I have no idea how I would stream snipe her because she didn't have TTV in her name. I didn't check his stream before the match started because I don't really care, streamer or not it doesn't make a difference to me. I will admit, I slugged a lot in the match. It was not like I was trying to 4 man slug. The survivors would literally crowd in corners and try to 3 man heal, ######### am I supposed to do? Especially as Huntress, it's so easy to snowball and pressure survivors when there are multiple of them grouped up. They were practically handing themselves to me and it was a good situation to slug. He kept calling me bad names, saying things like "you have 2,000 hours in the game and this is how you play?" when he had a similar amount of hours. I genuinely don't think I did anything wrong. I really think this guy and his friends were upset that they lost so they decided to take it out on me and it's honestly really frustrating. I don't expect to win every game as the killer, so why do some survivors expect to escape every game? It's literally not possible to do that. Just because a match doesn't go exactly how you want it to does not give you the excuse to be toxic to the opponent.
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Sigh. Why do people read end game chat and why do you care what complete strangers on the internet think of you? Play the game how you want to play and just hide end game chat - your enjoyment of the game will improve.
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*Some survivors
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and im really sick of people throwing the word "entitlement" around so much, half the time seemingly not knowing what it means...
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Because the moral of the story still stands: being toxic towards people because you lost in a video game is really childish and a lot of people on DBD are like that.
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I went back and checked his stream. He and his friends were literally saying that they deserved to escape the match that I was their killer. I really wish I was exaggerating. Is that not entitlement or do I have the definition wrong?
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My advice: If you know there was some form of tunneling/camping, do not go to their stream.
I say this as someone who actively defends survivors but I also play killer so I am not blind to the fact that some survivors will use any form of tunneling warranted or not as a way to complain. If you did tunnel them and you know you did, do not engage, especially on their stream chat.
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I didn’t though. The only thing I did was slug and I admitted to it. I actively went out of my way to tunnel because one of their teammates tier 2’d his first hook and I felt kinda bad about it.
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Meh - which is why I don't bother with chat. I don't need the validation of strangers nor do I have time for the childish comments of strangers. If you have a way to ignore the morons - why not just use that and save yourself the drama? I refuse to let stupid people live rent-free in my head - which is what you are doing by even acknowledging their idiotic behavior. Ignoring the stupidity makes games way more enjoyable imo.
Very rarely do I get morons from matches who come into my streams - I usually don't even see their comments because a mod will delete it before I get a chance to read it. The only time I go into another streamers stream is to tell them "GG" if they played well as a fellow survivor or as a killer.
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TTV's are literally the worst. I always dodge if I'm playing with them or against them.
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I've noticed all Dead by Daylight streamers who play survivor tend to be super toxic, specially those that have very few views, and if the streamer is female, holy ######### do they think they can get away with anything, even wishing cancer on the killer or trying to send their army of simps (their sad 3 viewers or so) against whatever killer that in their head "camped or tunneled" them.
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Hello hatchet bunny lady
Firstly I hope you are doing well
Secondly after reading your posts and your replys I can see this really effected you. I want to offer you a friendly hug and a GG wp.
It's not that hard to be respectful and say GG regardless of how the person plays in all honesty this game just tends to bring the worse out of people and I'm really sad you had to be on the brunt end of the frustration it's not cool.
All you can do is be positive and respectful and truly do not let this stuff effect you as bad.
Should it be happening no but unfortunately toxic nasty behaviour is highlighted by streamers so much on both sides that it's just how things are... you have to be the change you want to see.
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Hello dear Dead by Daylight Community,
I played DBD about a year back and started again last week.
I never had any toxic killers or survivors in my games. I watched a few Otzdarva videos and just copied his behaviour as a Killer.
If i have a really good game and am able to kill all the survivors I just dont. In my opinion the game is way more enjoyable for everyone if you let the last survivor live. They will be happy about it and often thank you in chat after the game. Next time you get an easy 4k try to let the survivors have fun and play with them a bit. You dont need to slug the survivors if they still need 5 gens to win.
Also I dont think any of the people that complain about the toxic DBD community have ever played another game. For example two Pro-play classics: League of Legends and Counter Strike: Global offensive are extremely toxic games. In CSGO your mother gets insulted by some random russian guy (no racism intended) every game in voice chat and in league of legends the ingame chat is used to blame you for any mistake your teammates made.
I think the Internet being an anonnimous place makes people extremely toxic in general so my advice to you is: Just have fun, try to make the game fun for the other players and dont get saddened by some ######### insulting you for your playstyle :)
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Hm, maybe if you could read the mind of the people who arent TTVs you'd think differently. People who have TTV in their name just want to grow their channel, how does that make them "the worst"?
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Every experience I've had with a TTV has been a bad one.
They talk crap with their viewers and even if I've played nice as killer I'm a trash camper, tunneller even when I haven't done either. Also even if I've gone out of my way to help as a teammate and taken hits for them, saved them with a flashlight or pallet or made sure to save them on the hook and do gens I'm a useless teammate and I'm terrible at the game.
Everyone I've come across is toxic and does nothing but whine and complain about the game and blames every other player for them not being able to win.
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The only time i'm toxic to a Killer is to get their attention sadly, when they're purposely going for 1 Survivor all game.
But yeah this is why i'm glad I don't have endgame chat on Console & hope it never comes because I cba to sit and argue with people over their playstyle or whatever, best to just move onto the next game. Everyone has their own playstyle, some more desperate than others but the game would be boring if everyone played the same way every game.
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Just say gg (optional), leave the chat, and go enjoy a fun match.
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My personal impression is that AngryPug would rather be playing something else, but is stuck bc of his community. If you're looking for good survivor streamers with a positive attitude I'd suggest Uncharted. Unfortunately, Fungoose moved to LoL.
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Some folks just can't take an L. I would recommend tho, that if you destroy some TTVs, don't go to their chat. It would seem like you want to rub it in and most are less than cool about it.
But, fk em, ggs and move on!!
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TTV's bring out the worst in me. Right of the start I'm guns blazing and if I get the sense there in it to bully for their fans I will do everything in my power to make there stream miserable or hilarious depending on the viewer. My wife had a TTV yui in her game 2 nights ago flashlight superstar and she is rank 17 and I just couldn't watch anymore I knew something wasn't right so I had her pass the remote. She fell for the fake pickup every time which got her out in open and I took them out with 3 gens remaining. Made sure to pick up the yui off the floor last possible second and chainsaw her until she touched the angels in the sky. She was a rank 4 with a purple, green, and rank 20 teammate abusing the system to bully killers. Sometimes bullies need another bully.
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I have always played both roles. Sometimes I'll go through a stretch playing killer more, sometimes survivor. I used to be kind of a toxic player on the survivor side. I'd get really mad when I lose. I think part of it was that I used to play more SWF and if you lose early, you just sit and stew about it and get mad at the killer. Lol, like it's their fault for killing. But with long queue times, no one wants to wait another 5 minutes or so for their teammates to finish.
After playing much more solo, I'm more relaxed. If I get killed, I just leave the match and queue up right away again. It's nice. Also, after thousands of hours of playing killer you just have a better idea of how much more difficult most games are for killers. I'm not talking about kill rates. I'm talking about how there is no time to just reset your brain and just holding m1 waiting for an occasional skill check.
After many games of playing more than "fair" and many games of playing ultra aggressive, I've just come to the conclusion that as a survivor you're not owed anything in this game. You're not owed good teammates, fair killers, easy totem spawns, or spacious exit gates. Sometimes you get these things and sometimes you don't. Life goes on. After all, death is not an escape.
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Thanks, I will check :D
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Both sides feel entitled. However since there's 4 survivors for each killer. Survivors are a bigger piece of the problem.
My favorites are the ones the quit a match and play the victim. Ive never played any other game where people quit then complain they got hit by a dc penalty. Theres no point in arguing with these people. You quit, you get a penalty. End of discussion. I dont care if you weren't having fun. Unless real life stuff came up or someone is legit hacking, you shouldn't dc.
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Oh he 100% wants to leave DbD, but he doesn't want to take the financial hit.
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You think the people who arent streaming arent saying the same things about the game?
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Cute story!
But I personally hate it when people assume that a red rank with a low rank is abusing the system. Unless they actually tell you that they queued up with the low rank, you are only making an assumption that it was what they were doing. I'd assume that you knew for sure the Yui was doing it, but I'm just saying for anyone else reading (because it's incredibly annoying to get accused of abusing the rank system whenever I end up facing a low rank killer as a red rank)
I literally have gotten matched with rank 20s in solos and in duos (with a fellow red rank) or with a green and yellow duo while duoing with another red rank. In fact, I get matched with rainbow ranks ALL the time when I duo with my red rank boyfriend.
On a similar note, red ranks can't control the fact that playing with their new friend will bring them low rank killers. They're not trying to game the system there, they're just playing with their friend and taking it as it is.
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I'm sure they are but they don't have a group of people with them talking crap as well and even going as far to send hate messages on the streamers behalf because the streamer has decided that they didn't like how you played.
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When I stream I use TTV on my name, and I'm also a solo player who doesn't play toxic. I've also had non TTV people coming with their SWF to my profile. Does it mean they're all the same? No
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In my experience they have been so I'm not taking that chance that they myn't be in the small minority that aren't.
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Yes but high rank killers like myself can spot solo survivors, swf, duo, trips pretty successfully due experience and the survivors playstyles in that match. If there was any doubt I would not accuse as I hate being accused of things I am not doing myself which happens on a regular since most do not know the difference in camping, tunneling, slugging, proxy, or securing a kill in end game.
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Congrats on the 4k, but sorry about the rough endgame chat. People are just losers that refuse to blame themselves.
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Also I do not play 100% killer so I know about the rainbow ranks survivor can get and the potato survivor teammates red ranks have to deal with. That it not a regular thing in my killer games though but seems to be in my survivor games whether that's incredible luck or ######### luck I have not figured out.
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I just ignore people like this and move on. I'm not here to play how you want.
I went against a sweaty team on Laboratory as Doc a while ago, they all brought items and 2 of them were flashlights. I made some dumb mistakes like not looking around for flashlight players when picking up someone and it cost me. But they were also playing very aggressive early so I changed how I played. I broke nearly ever pallet in the map since they didn't hesitate to drop them, and they'd rescue someone on hook almost immediately w/o waiting for me to leave the area, so patrolling gens became a secondary task since they didn't care about their safety and I wanted them to pay for that. They eventually powered the EG but I had 2 of them dead already and the 3rd got hooked just as the EG got opened. The 4th person saw me just sitting by the hook waiting, knowing she couldn't do anything to save the person. We just stared at each other from a distance. As soon as the 3rd person was 1% on hook, she escaped.
Proceeded to be called bad, a tunneler, camper, 'that strat' won't work in every match, insults, etc. Flexed on me for being blinded and outplayed with 360s (yea sure I missed a few swings but they still died) and I explained that they basically killed themselves because none of them focused on gens, they wanted to be flashy/aggressive, often times dive bombing knowing I'm still very close by. I never went for the person off the hook but the person who did the unhooking. They'd take protection hits for each other, try to body block me, blind me, make me swap targets in a chase, etc. Eventually I just said screw it - they don't see the match from my perspective so of course they're going to think I played scummy but I was enabled because of how they played so I don't get how that was on me. 2 of them were very angry and continued to call me bad, I decided to leave but right before I did, one of them said 'say hi to ######' which I assumed was reddit. I just laughed and moved on.
Aint ever going to convince survivors who are entitled as hell or not able to acknowledge your perspective, what happened and why. Just a waste of time.
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Ah yes. Another "survivors bad" post on a forum of mostly killer mains.
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Yeah, I figure you more than likely are right about the Yui, and I'm not really picking at you in particular for this story, considering she was a streamer and you more than likely could have just checked to be sure there.
Even if she was with the low rank, doesn't necessarily mean that she was with her to bully low rank killers. But again- not picking at you for your story, I totally believe you and at the very least it sounds like she knew what she was doing as far as bullying a low rank/low skill killer she came across (until you got on the sticks and showed her the rules, that is LMAOOO) even if her intention wasn't to queue up with a low rank just to find bully-able killers. I guess I'm more pointing out for anyone else who reads through the thread that not every single rainbow rank lobby was intricately designed to make Baby Killer #2749 have a miserable and unwinnable game haha.
I think a lot of people on the forums here don't play enough survivor to realize that it just seems to be a genuine feature of the game's match making that survivors will be thrown into a lobby together without a care for their ranking LOL
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Nope completely agree but over the course of playing this game I have seen lots of rainbow lobbies (not counting MMR) and I just pointed out this instance because it was a cordinated team. The streamer being the oddest one out of the bunch trying to look like superman among humans. Most of time I just feel sorry for the lone red rank.
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Listen, you play how you want to play and don’t let salty survivors bring you down, it’s a game boo. :)
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Thank you! I came from Dota 2, which if you know anything about is almost as toxic as LoL or CSGO. Even when I played Dota, I tried to have a PMA and take my losses with grace because it really makes a difference to me. When I came to DBD, I tried to bring that mindset with me. I enjoy saying GG to people, win or lose, because I enjoy playing DBD. Most of my games are a lot of fun, except for the occasional sweat squad lol. I really was just trying to be nice to this streamer and his friends and it’s a little disappointing that there are people in this community who go out of their way to be toxic.
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Going to close this as its sliding more and more into streamer shaming. Please remain civil and respectful when talking about others, including those that wish to stream the game.
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