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One month into playing dbd, this is my feeling about the toxicity in the game

comodozin
comodozin Member Posts: 2
edited April 2021 in General Discussions

Hello all!


First of all I am going to deal with some subjects that I know that is quite flammable in this forum, but I will try to be calm and just show my opinion. I have been playing DbD for +/- a month now, have watched months of streams before and that gave me a bit of a headstart. Nonetheless I found myself incredibly lost in my first matches, but well, learning curve right?


I have played a couple of surv games then I dove on killer. Have been playing killer for 3 weeks or so. Then I started to notice things that weren't clear to me while watching streams or so: the game seems to me unbalanced in favour or survivors AND killers at different situations. While in "average" one could say that these differences balance themselves, I believe that it is something that would require honesty and fairplay of both sides, which we know that it doesn't exist in many cases.


The thing is that many people playing act like fifth graders. Survivors cry all the time about camping/slugging/noed killers while killers cry all the time about SWF/keys/etc. I personally never camped, I don't use noed, when I tunnel is by "accident" (I am not a good looper so when a survivor shows up in front of me, well I gotta take the opportunity) and slugging I do it for a minimal just to go and scare survivors off and/or kick gens/pallets. This is why quite often when I could get a 4k, I just get 3k because the last one is looking for the hatch while I am hanging the 3rd one. I acknowledge that doing these things are considered strategies in the game, but I rather try to make a better game for everyone who's playing. I don't care about rank or bloodpoints as well, I just want to make good use of my little free time into enjoying the game.


Then, matchmaking sometimes love to put me (a rank 11-15 killer) together with rank 1 SWF players. I get looped all the time, barely can hit the survs while they do 2-3 gens in few minutes. Then on top of that sometimes there is that one that takes the key and you see all of them just saying good bye in your face. Or worse, when they decide not to move the game forward just to come to me and provoke. I cannot start endgame because the gens are not done and then I have to decide if I want to endure this bullying for more 5-10 minutes or if I should DC for the sake of my mental health. On the end you still have to read things like "GG EZ YOU ******" and stuff like that.


What bothers me is that the game gives a lot of incentive for people to be like that. Since a lot of people play for bloodpoints and pips, they will try to do the most to get these things. If they are playing against a baby killer, they will extend the game as much as possible just to extract all the bloodpoints they want. I know there are killers who just don't care about this and even like it because they can also get more bloodpoints and pips, but I don't see this as being the main purpose of fun for this game, or at least it shouldn't.


Well, TL;DR. I thing this game has a lot of broken mechanics that wouldn't be a problem if the players played fair. Since they don't, the game can be really a stressful experience while still having to deal with people bullying you. I don't think that SWF should not exist. It is natural for people to play with their friends. But maybe BHVR should give more attention to trying to make this game a healthier environment instead of indirectly feeding the toxicity. I loved the game in general, but sometimes I really feel like uninstalling it because the toxicity really ruins all the fun. Maybe not showing rank would help? The people would have less incentive to farm so many bloodpoints just to be a "red rank"... Or maybe create a mechanic that enforces the game to move on if no one is doing anything.


Sorry for the long text :)

Comments

  • BananaBlooD95
    BananaBlooD95 Member Posts: 555

    You don't need to be green rank killer to get your first down/hook around the first two gen that pop.


    115% killer like Clown and Doctor with good anti looping but no mobility can get a hook before 2gen pop, the problem is they don't have that much slow down or snowball potential. Oni have a huge snowball potential but if the first survivor that get chase play it safe he prevent Oni from getting his power before 2-3gen pop. Bubba, either you get M1 or a bunch of pallet if the first survivor you find is half decent.


    As for keyk, well currently there's a bug where you're almost guaranty to find a key in a chest every single games. Against a killer that want to get 12 hooks all you need to do is do 4 gen, 1 survivor die find hatch and 3 survivor survive. You outplayed the survivor but they get an easy escape because of a bug.

  • Marc_go_solo
    Marc_go_solo Member Posts: 5,347

    I'd certainly appreciate more well-worded and rational comments like this and also share your thoughts. The game's issues feel much more to do with a select minority of the community than balance or bugs. The ranking system does lean into that. Some just like to mock things different to them!

    There are a lot of good folk out there though. I've been lucky to speak with a lot of them after games, helped by not being a sore winner/loser and complimenting them genuinely (pointing out an aspect of the game where their skill showed). Hopefully you'll find some 🙂

  • Kirkylad
    Kirkylad Member Posts: 1,927

    This community either in the game or even on this forum are pretty much split into 2 categories. You have some really nice people who want to just have fun and get along, then you have some toxic idiots that just want to be a dick whenever possible. As long as you're okay with the decent folks and dismiss what the trash water folks think you're all good.

  • OldHunterLight
    OldHunterLight Member Posts: 3,001

    Sorry to hear that you are having a rough time with toxicity, there are good people playing this game and there is also bad people, you will run mostly into bad people but believe it or not there are kind players who understand that not every match is horrible.

    Accept compliments and ignore hate, that is the only tip I can give.

  • MrPsych
    MrPsych Member Posts: 265

    Most of the time I play, I just turn off the chat and every once in a while I will glance at it to see what kind of people I end up getting. While I'll sometimes get the nasty comments here and there, I still run mostly into good folk whenever I check out chat messages. One of them memorably cheered me up on my attempts to get adept hag and said I would be getting it done.

    Very next game, the miracle happen and I pull off the adept hag. Needless to say I wished I remembered who cheered me on because I'll always keep them in my thoughts.

    There's many bad apples, but it's never worth it to keep them around in your thoughts. Treasure the good people you meet, always.

  • swager21
    swager21 Member Posts: 1,019

    you get used to it after 6 months. now its like an everyday thing. i log onto dbd, get trash talked after 4 games, type a sarcastic response, leave. i dont mind toxicity unless it happens mid match. you cant just shrug it off like that

  • Pukenplag
    Pukenplag Member Posts: 1,454
    edited April 2021

    I personally adore bully squads, since they automatically asume they are against a noob killer. Jokes on you, I have 1100 hours in dbd and knew it before launch and started playing shortly after. They will mostly try to be so altruistic that they forget about gens and it is kinda fun when you down someone and they ready up their flashlights thunking that you will pick up the guy but all of a sudden you hit the guy behind you.

    I really suggest not taking them personaly. In 2017 I was a really trash person and was part of these bully squads. Nevertheless, it is very fun to be toxic like that, but I always like to view them like a bigger challange. "Bigger challange"=4k.

  • sesawyer3127
    sesawyer3127 Member Posts: 342
    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/245153/one-month-into-playing-dbd-this-is-my-feeling-about-the-toxicity-in-the-game

    See it is this type of survivor game play that pisses off killer mains and they get into solo survivor matches with me and are pissed from what happen in a previous SWF match. I never saw any of this until I played killer. I tried a few rounds and it went okay until you get those teams that know you are new and instead just making Aa fun game they pull out all the toxic crap. Just know that not all survivors are like the ones you went up against. There are more of us, I hope, who just want a good game and let the chips fall where they may.

  • comodozin
    comodozin Member Posts: 2
    edited April 2021

    Well glad to know that I am not the only one sharing this opinion :) maybe I had bad luck and had too many bad games that gave me a more pessimistic view of the game. In fact just yesterday I paired with a team that was very nice on chat later. Maybe might be the hours that I play, during weekends I see quite a lot of keys and twitch.tv accounts in a lobby that usually are in SWF.


    Although it might be the best approach right now just to ignore those toxic players and try to enjoy the game as it is, it bothers me sometimes mainly when the toxicity is happening in-game (survs not doing gens, just running around me to get some BT hits, not creating any progress to the game). Again a lot of killers love this because they can also farm some bloodpoints and in some cases snowball the game. It`s just that after a day of work, I dont have much time to spend in the game and Id rather have this time spent on some good games. Dont have to be 4k of course, but at least a game where you see both sides (hopefully) enjoying.


    Im too new to the game to know what is the "opinion" of BHVR in these matters and how much they would want to rethink (maybe with a lot of though) some inner mechanics of the game in order to reduce the potential for toxicity. There will always be toxic and salty players, its just a matter of giving them less space of pleasure and rewardness.


    Opening the game yesterday it showed me the customer satisfaction form (what a timing lol). I expressed my opinion there anyway. If theyll read or consider it, dunno. But yea :)

  • PigsEatBacon
    PigsEatBacon Member Posts: 53

    It is honestly sad that someone who has barely played the game for a month already sees everything wrong with the attitude of players. That's how you know what type of community it is.

  • Hex_Llama
    Hex_Llama Member Posts: 1,853

    I think you hit the nail on the head with "this game has a lot of broken mechanics that wouldn't be a problem if the players played fair."

    I think a lot of the "made-up rules" that people have about this game are instinctive attempts to correct problems with the design. The game lets you do things -- or even encourages you to do things -- that can make the experience miserable for other players, and there's a certain amount of social judgement that comes into it where you have to be able to say, "Actually, that doesn't seem like a very sporting thing to do right now..."

    The game design in DBD is pretty loose in places, but, even more tightly-designed games necessarily have at least some mechanics that can be exploited in an unintended way. The polite thing is not to exploit them, out of consideration for others, but if I'm being totally honest, I don't know that I would have understood that when I was 15.