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So I am new to playing The Pig...

I bought Pig last night, and I've played 3 matches with her so far. I'm still trying to get the hang of the dash and ambush attacks, but that's to be expected. As for her traps, I thought a Survivor wasn't able to escape through the exit gates with a trap on their head?

I downed a Claudette during EGC, but she was still able to crawl out the exit gates with the trap on her head. I thought that could only happen if trying to escape through the hatch? If traps don't become active during EGC, then that seems to really limit Pig's power as a Killer.

Thoughts?

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  • Northener1907
    Northener1907 Member Posts: 3,012

    Well then how can you explain Pig kill rates. She has so good rates against Red ranks.

    But Pig needs rework if you ask me

  • marciamarciamarcia
    marciamarciamarcia Member Posts: 79

    Got it. That makes sense. I've had success with Survivors being killed by my traps before the EGC, and I thought it applied during EGC as well. Guess not lol

  • marciamarciamarcia
    marciamarciamarcia Member Posts: 79

    One more thing...I like Surveillance A LOT. That was the main reason why I decided to buy the Saw DLC (along with Detective's Hunch on Tapp), and it does not disappoint. I'm a Deadslinger main, and I can easily see how Surveillance would be valuable on him.

  • MeltingPenguins
    MeltingPenguins Member Posts: 3,742

    also: look at what you are dealing with:

    There's survivors, random groups and swfs alike, that WILL genrush no matter what, meaning a good tactic is down a survivor quickly and see if they activate a gen and thus the trap or not.

    if they do, get traps on them, i have seen people pop gens while wearing a trap themself cause they think they can get them off before quickly enough.

    If you have that kind of group and got a bit practice in, you might be able to time things well and have at least two survivors with traps when the last gen pops. then you can open the gates and watch them panic.


    If you have a group who knows how to play against pig (99 gens and only pop them when no trap is in play).... good luck

  • SilentPill
    SilentPill Member Posts: 1,302

    Probably because most red ranks are super boosted and go down quickly to any M1 killer, letting the pig get plenty of value out of the traps.

    Her addons can just automatically win you games as well, no skill required.

    I don’t know how people can go against good survivors who can loop well and then try to say pig is anything more than rolling the dice on an M1 killer.

  • miketheratguy
    miketheratguy Member Posts: 2,719
  • KillerKirby
    KillerKirby Member Posts: 79

    For the traps they need to be activated. I dont think they ever mention that or its just outdated information. To activate a trap a gen has to be finished. if you put it on their head after all gens are done its worthless and does nothing. Also since your new to pig a good perk combo is to use whispers and monitor and abuse when whispers goes off squat to hide your terror radius because your close and thanks to monitor your terror radius is small enough to go unnoticed and helps you be sneaky. I think orignally survalience was suposed to do this then they changed pigs terror radius so it dosnt work as well anymore. Good luck fellow piggy and remember if they boop the snoot you must pretend not to see them anymore.

  • Badonkadonk
    Badonkadonk Member Posts: 79

    I like playing Pig, but I also don't like it when survivors try to boop my snoot constantly. Sometimes I just wanna kill everyone man lol. I shake my head and m1 them, if I change my mind and they're still alive, I may give them hatch. I feel bad for doing that to people though lmao, but it is a reason I am hesitant to play Pig sometimes. I do enjoy the traps though, I just wish killing with them was more reliable and consistent.

    I like killers who can do stuff like that, it's fun and unique but I hate relying on addons to do it.

  • Darkskies
    Darkskies Member Posts: 1,158

    Hello and firstly welcome fellow oink enthusiast 🙌🐷

    Her traps will not work at the exit gate unless active (sad oink noises)

    Secondly I really hope you take some time with either video tape and combat straps or Amanda's letter and either last will of combat straps.

    I have spent probably the past 3 months just playing with there add ons and it's helped me to really up my dash game. Honestly when you really practice know what works and doesn't her ambush is amazing and I find it fun.

    I hope you give the dash some time but your choice.

    Nice to have you come aboard

    🐷💖

  • Darkskies
    Darkskies Member Posts: 1,158

    All praise 🙌🐷👑

    God damn chio that's so impressive so much information and help but I'm not surprised coming from you. Nice to see more love for Piggy!

    🐽👈💖

  • Darkskies
    Darkskies Member Posts: 1,158

    Hello silent 🐽

    I actually agree with you about rolling the dice while being a M1 killer. Probably one of the things that I don't enjoy about her

    l stopped using box add ons for combat straps and video tape.

    Now I have add ons that help me all game rather than pray the rng is in my favour.

    What add ons do you feel win her games? (friendly polite discussion wanted)

    🐷💖

  • ChiSoxFan11
    ChiSoxFan11 Member Posts: 1,093

    Piggie doesn't get picked nearly enough. 😔 I'm happy to see whenever someone joins us in appreciation of her unique kit. 🙂

  • Asssblasster625
    Asssblasster625 Member Posts: 629

    Not many people play her in higher ranks so, and the majority of people that did pull trap a survivor then tunnel hard. that’s why it was so high kill rates don’t always determine how good a killer is

  • IWasLeft2Die
    IWasLeft2Die Member Posts: 2,405
    edited April 2021

    I hope they give her a rework, especially give her something to use during egc since traps and crouch are worthless once last gen is done. Having her entire kit useless at that point is a unique weakness to her which is a shame

  • QwQw
    QwQw Member Posts: 4,531

    If you're new to Pig and trying to learn her, I recommend you watch this video made by Scorpionz, as he is a very good Pig main.


  • PigMainBigBrain
    PigMainBigBrain Member Posts: 1,893

    Her stealth is amazing, her dash is amazing, and her traps are one of the best secondary objectives in the game..... you sure you play pig?

  • PigMainBigBrain
    PigMainBigBrain Member Posts: 1,893
    edited April 2021

    I recommend picking up some tips from pig players, but also figuring out your own niche. Check out some of Scorpionz stuff as well as others.

    Its great to watch great players, but pig has a versatile enough kit that you could play her in a variety of different ways effectively based on your needs. My personal style I tend to focus on secondary objectives and debuffing survivors. Some other pig players enjoy playing her with brute force. Some others enjoy utilizing her stealth constantly. All personal preference. Once you learn her basic mechanics, she becomes one of the best perk manipulators in the game. With builds that can only be pulled off with her kit.

  • ShamelessPigMain
    ShamelessPigMain Member Posts: 1,877
    edited April 2021

    Don't use her ambush much. Only use it at short loops where you can maximize its potential. Otherwise, it's better to M1.

    In order for a RBT to activate, a generator has to be completed while it is on somebody's head. After 5 gens, any RBTs you put on will be useless.

    Post edited by ShamelessPigMain on
  • Hex_Llama
    Hex_Llama Member Posts: 1,837

    Another Pig tip: if you have traps left over at EGC, use them anyway. They won't activate, but you still get points for putting them on and, surprisingly often, a survivor will get confused and think they have to take it off.

  • J_Rod
    J_Rod Member Posts: 7

    Traps don't count down on dowed survivors

  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871
    edited April 2021

    They nerfed it because they were implementing the End Game Collapse in the same update, and having both the RBT timer and the EGC timer ticking down simultaneously for Survivors unlucky enough to get a Trap at the end of the game is not fair. It's just that their solution to the problem ended up being too heavy-handed.

    My theory: The average player in this game is a potato. This does not exclude Red Ranks. When you consider that Pig has very few players playing her, the ones who play her are more likely to be dedicated to her and better than normal. So when these better Pig players run into the potato Survivors, the end result is a highly boosted kill rate in the charts since there aren't as many bad Pigs and good Survivors to balance it out.

    I disagree, I disagree, and I'm so-so on the last one. I don't just play Pig. I pretty much ONLY play Pig.

  • PigMainBigBrain
    PigMainBigBrain Member Posts: 1,893

    Her stealth could be better....considering ghostface showed up and just kinda outdid that part of her kit for no reason out of nowhere. But her dash plays are out of this world during a chase. Only other killer I can think comes close is Legions dash, and maybe blight, with the exception that legion is slightly better because he can shut down pallets by simply vaulting. Can't kill during that phase but can really shut them down. Pig on the other hand can get the down in those same situations if the pallet is a loop. And can hug corners to ridiculous levels. But again I think her level of play and capabilities is all gonna come down to preference.

  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871

    Her dash plays, no matter how galaxy brain they can be, will always suffer because it is the Survivor who has to make the mistake for you to land the hit at a not-trash loop. The best you can do with your dashes are present the mindgame and hope your opponent messes it up. If they don't, you are wasting time. And this is all assuming they don't just skip the whole thing by dropping the pallet pre-emptively. Once that happens, you got nothin'.

  • TheWarNung
    TheWarNung Member Posts: 794
    edited April 2021

    I see this happen so often. It's been, what, 2 years since the EGC changes? You'd think people would learn eventually.

    That and a full year after the chainsaw brothers update I still get survivors greeding pallets against my Bubba. It's like they keep forgetting that his chainsaw reaches more than 3 feet now.

  • Dennis_van_eijk
    Dennis_van_eijk Member Posts: 1,704

    If you put a trap on someone before the last gen pops than they can't get out of the gates and have to go for the boxes.

    There is 1 but, if they have a trap on them which is active, they can however escape trough the hatch.

    That is the only escape possible with an active trap on.

    If you put a trap on them after the last gen pops than they can escape trough the exit gates.

    About the ambush attack.

    Don't bother using it cause it barely works.

    Whenever I play as miss piggy I only use her crouch for stealth.

    The only time I ever use the ambush attack is at a pallet loop where I'm able to break line of sight.

    I crought during the loop, mostly at a pallet, than charge and try to mindgame them.

    I make them guess at which side I'm going for.

    Usually dash a bit to 1 side to throw them off and then quickly go to the other side to get a hit on them.

    But as I said earlier, the ambush attack barely works.

    At least in high ranks, and as I described when doing it at a pallet loop, it's also just up to the survivors how quick their reaction is.

    As for good add ons, I use tempered timer and crates of gears.

    Don't expect headpops with the traps, only slow downs on gens when they search the boxes.

    But those 2 add ons together increases the odds of getting a headpop.

  • Noz
    Noz Member Posts: 176

    Her dash is the fun part of her kit. The traps are unfun. If you want to reach red ranks without really trying always run tampered timer and crate of gears. Just play her as an m1 killer that gets at least one free kills from traps with this addon.

    I hope they nerf her traps and trap addons into the ground so she can join clown and legion with her kill rates.

  • Bard
    Bard Member Posts: 657

    Not quite.

    They pre-emptively gave her that massive kneecapping in the same patch EGC came out.

    Pig players never got a chance to abuse it.

  • Bard
    Bard Member Posts: 657


    Pig occupies multiple people, and solo queue is filled with idiots.

    In solo queue, the actions survivors are occupied doing at any given moment are typically:

    • One Dwight getting chased
    • One Nea chasing the killer chasing his teammate while clicking his flashlight
    • One Nancy searching chests and hunting totems while permanently holding crouch
    • One Adam doing gens and losing his fait in humanity

    If Pig puts a Bear Trap on Dwight and starts chasing Adam, you now have zero survivors doing gens and Pig gets a free win.

    Also, if she gets one lucky kill with an RBT, she snowballs to an easy win. With Tampered Timer, this is highly likely.

  • Dennis_van_eijk
    Dennis_van_eijk Member Posts: 1,704

    Honestly if you die by a head trap than the change is that you deserved it.

    That is if she doesn't go after you crouching.

    The only time I got a headpop (I believe it happened 2 times, at least no more than 5),was because I was to greedy.

    Even with tempered timer and crates of gears I never got a headpop from it.

    There is so much time to get it off your head before the timer reaches 0.

    Even if you get it off on the last box, you still would have time to spare.

    So i don't think there will be a nerf coming any time soon for these add ons

  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871

    Timer and crate are nowhere close to guaranteed to get one free kill per match, from my experience. Sure, they are among the best add-ons to raise the odds of a Trap kill, but even with those add-ons, Trap kills are still infrequent at best from when I've used them.

  • Noz
    Noz Member Posts: 176

    With crates and tampered timer, on a big map and your trap being in the last box you don't have enough time to search all boxes, unless you can go straight from box to box with not a single interruption.

  • Dennis_van_eijk
    Dennis_van_eijk Member Posts: 1,704

    Survived mothers dwelling a lot against pig.

    With and without those add ons.

    It is never guaranteed a kill with those add ons, not on big maps nor on small maps.

    You don't want to know how many times my key is in the last box 😅

    It is very rare for me to get it on the first try or anything before the last box.

    If you hear her TR don't be scared and just risk it.

    The only survivors who get headpops from it (no matter the add ons) are the ones who get scared when they hear her TR.

    They suddenly go hide to see if they can spot where she is.

    And by the time they realise she's chasing someone else, they have spent so much time that there is a great chance they get a headpop.

    The worst thing that can happen is she goes for you.

    But then the timer stops and when she leaves you alone, you are miles away and most likely close to a box with some extra time you got from the chase.

  • onemind
    onemind Member Posts: 3,089

    Best thing for ambush is to just stand up if your lucky you will get a grab if not a hit the same as an ambush for traps always put one on unless they are dead or the last gen is done allready

  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871

    Sounds to me like a good case to fix those big maps, then.

  • Dennis_van_eijk
    Dennis_van_eijk Member Posts: 1,704

    That is a argument I can stand by.

    Some maps are just stupidly big which hurts the slower killers a lot as well as killers that takes time to setup.

    I definitely hope those maps shrink in size with a rework

  • nursewannabe
    nursewannabe Member Posts: 1,075

    Seriously: disregard ANY post in here if they say that her dash is garbage. They either don't play pig, or just play her because ruin undying isn't enough of a slowdown and need something more to avoid genrush /s

    As other people mentioned, watch scorpionz's guide. You probably won't find better pig player than him

  • voorheesgt
    voorheesgt Member Posts: 827
    edited April 2021

    It will still kill survivors during egc, it just has to be placed before the last gen finishes. When the last gen finishes, it'll activate, and in some games that causes a lot of chaos. Especially if a survivor (or killer😈) opens the gate quickly.

  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,871

    Her dash really is not that good. I play Pig in red ranks using the meme taxi build and zero slowdown perks. I'm not winning because I am a particularly good Killer, and I am certainly not winning because I am using anything remotely resembling a meta build. I am winning because the average Survivor is bad enough that I can 4k using the meme taxi build without ever needing to dash once. Against competent players, the dash is actually lacking because the dash is only really capable of landing hits on bad loops or against Survivors who make mistakes.

  • SilentPill
    SilentPill Member Posts: 1,302

    It’s literally junk. You need combat straps for it to be useable in mindgames. Which means you are not using addons to pump up the head traps and embrace the RNG kills that are the only reason to ever play pig.

    Any decent survivor is just going to run directly to the next tile the second you crouch. It can get you hits at some ~very~ short loops where any other killer with real antiloop would be collecting a 100% free hit whereas pig is still gambling on a 50-50 dash attack if the survivor is completely trapped and can’t just run away.

    “It’s good because Mr streamer can beat up on solo Qs with it” isn’t an argument. Anyone who is even mildly good at video games can get rank 1 killer in DBD, using anyone from the roster.

  • jester20k
    jester20k Member Posts: 827

    All pigs usually do is patrol trap boxes to tunnel people that have a ticking time bomb on their head. Right up there with deathslingers and ghosties in the douche department