Why No One Escapes Death is not a crutch perk
NOED is not a crutch perk for one reason. It does NOT reward complete failure, rather, it punishes failure on the survivor's side. I can not tell you how many times I have hooked people trying to t-bag at the exit gates and then they got killed from NOED. It is the best thing I can explain, especially if you have a mori or you had 5 tokens to Devour Hope.
Say what you want, I am prepared for survivor salt, as per usual.
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"I hit you in the end so it is not complete failure"
Use whatever perks you want but that's a stupid goalpost you're setting there.
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It does not reward your failure in preventing the survivors from completing their objective?
Ok...
Just use the perk if you want. No need in justifying it.
I get it. You got called noob or whatever in the end chat a lot for using it , but it's better not to come posting stuff while you're still emotionally unstable , you're just making yourself look silly.10 -
I don't think anyone ever said it wasn't effective or not fun to use. While totally counterable, I do still think it's a crutch. Use whatever though.
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Funny how some people say SC is a crutch while NOED isn't.
NOED punishes survivors for not cleansing totems? SC punishes killers losing at chases.
I personally don't have anything against NOED, but i find it funny anyway.10 -
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I'd definitely say it's a crutch perks, my question is why do we associate that with a negative connotation? It's 100% fine to, in a competitive video game, use a tool that benefits you.
Of course, you can get a little sick of it after a while and it may need balancing, but still.2 -
I've just gotten used to every perk. Just run what you want to run. You paid for the game so you have access to everything in it. It's there for a reason, same with survivor perks like DS or self-care. While DS is honestly the most broken overpowered perk in the game, it'll get nerfed soon but for now I'm just dealing with it. So yeah run what you want and dont give a ######### about what other people tell you post game chat and stuff. You paid for the game just like they did so you can play however you want with whatever perks or items you want. (Just don't cheat or exploit bugs)5
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@PhantomMask20763PhantomMask20763 said:I've just gotten used to every perk. Just run what you want to run. You paid for the game so you have access to everything in it. It's there for a reason, same with survivor perks like DS or self-care. While DS is honestly the most broken overpowered perk in the game, it'll get nerfed soon but for now I'm just dealing with it. So yeah run what you want and dont give a ######### about what other people tell you post game chat and stuff. You paid for the game just like they did so you can play however you want with whatever perks or items you want. (Just don't cheat or exploit bugs)
U are one of the few killer mains i like. Hell yes, perks are meant to be used whether they like them or not.1 -
What a beast.PhantomMask20763 said:I've just gotten used to every perk. Just run what you want to run. You paid for the game so you have access to everything in it. It's there for a reason, same with survivor perks like DS or self-care. While DS is honestly the most broken overpowered perk in the game, it'll get nerfed soon but for now I'm just dealing with it. So yeah run what you want and dont give a ######### about what other people tell you post game chat and stuff. You paid for the game just like they did so you can play however you want with whatever perks or items you want. (Just don't cheat or exploit bugs)2 -
The secret to enjoying perks like NOED is simple. Turn off chat so you don't have to read all of the salty salt McSaltords salt over using a salt producing perk of saltyness.
"You are all just Non Player Characters in this single player game I am here to enjoy"
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@TsulanTsulan said:
So killer should tunnel.Vietfox said:Funny how some people say SC is a crutch while NOED isn't.
NOED punishes survivors for not cleansing totems? SC punishes killers losing at chases.
I personally don't have anything against NOED, but i find it funny anyway.
Got it!
Tunnel =/= chasing a survivor injured by the killer already1 -
But then I would miss how much trash I am for beating their DS swf squad with a perkless Freddy.CzarZero said:The secret to enjoying perks like NOED is simple. Turn off chat so you don't have to read all of the salty salt McSaltords salt over using a salt producing perk of saltyness.
"You are all just Non Player Characters in this single player game I am here to enjoy"
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Oh right, tunnel = killer doing his only objective.Vietfox said:
@TsulanTsulan said:
So killer should tunnel.Vietfox said:Funny how some people say SC is a crutch while NOED isn't.
NOED punishes survivors for not cleansing totems? SC punishes killers losing at chases.
I personally don't have anything against NOED, but i find it funny anyway.
Got it!
Tunnel =/= chasing a survivor injured by the killer already
My bad!1 -
Who the hell talked about tunneling in this thread?Tsulan said:
Oh right, tunnel = killer doing his only objective.Vietfox said:
@TsulanTsulan said:
So killer should tunnel.Vietfox said:Funny how some people say SC is a crutch while NOED isn't.
NOED punishes survivors for not cleansing totems? SC punishes killers losing at chases.
I personally don't have anything against NOED, but i find it funny anyway.
Got it!
Tunnel =/= chasing a survivor injured by the killer already
My bad!
PS: Ur comments were way better before my ban.5 -
Agreed. Just a matter of personal taste. NOED is the only Killer version of a crutch perk. The only reason I say this is because of how it works.Blueberry said:I don't think anyone ever said it wasn't effective or not fun to use. While totally counterable, I do still think it's a crutch. Use whatever though.
The Killer could actually be a good Killer, but thanks to the screwed up balance of Gen Rush. (Not the Survivors fault mind you! The Developers fault of bad balance. They are just doing their objective!) NOED could actually make a Gen Rush game balanced. However, it can also carry Killer who are awful at the game REALLY hard.
You always balance a game thats even slightly competitive of what has the greatest potential to be abused. To which NOED is far too abusable. Same thing with Decisive Strike.0 -
yea, it's a crutch perk. Both killers and survivors have crutch perks and you just have to adjust to them.
use what you want, but there's no need to delude yourself. ^.^1 -
Different perks are good for different builds. I use NOED on doc 3 gen strategy. Works well.
NOED is a great end game perk (but has a drawback....If you reach end game, the survivors SHOULD have cleansed the totems)
If they didn't, they deserve to get one-shot.
Roll what you want....so long as you don't break ToS, it's all gg.1 -
NOED is a crutch though. However, who tf cares? It has a counter.0
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All perks are crutch perks really the same as all items and addons are and Black Wards/White Wards in the end. Play with what you like.
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But chasing a injured survivor is considered tunneling. If the killer lets that survivor get away and use SC its exactly the situation you described.Vietfox said:
Who the hell talked about tunneling in this thread?Tsulan said:
Oh right, tunnel = killer doing his only objective.Vietfox said:
@TsulanTsulan said:
So killer should tunnel.Vietfox said:Funny how some people say SC is a crutch while NOED isn't.
NOED punishes survivors for not cleansing totems? SC punishes killers losing at chases.
I personally don't have anything against NOED, but i find it funny anyway.
Got it!
Tunnel =/= chasing a survivor injured by the killer already
My bad!
PS: Ur comments were way better before my ban.
PS: maybe I got burned out because people started to attack me personally.
Don't know.3 -
NOED is a strange thing. Personally I have barely issues with it. It's a pwerful counterable perk. That's for sure. And has a high chance for a killer to secure at least one kill during the endgame.
On the other hand, I really hate how much it rewards killers who camp. As soon as a killer turns out to have a camper strategy, survivors have to focus on gens, doing them as fast as possible to secure their own survival. Problem is, that this means you can't do totems and most of the time the killer's camped victim is sacrificed when the gens are powered and they are either in a chase or have already hooked the second guy. In some cases the second guy might be already almost dead, if the killer had actually short chases.
And situations like this NOED can feel like an annoying crutch. Because now the killer can decide to leave and might be able to catch somebody who opens a gate offguard with NOED and turn the whole thing into a potential three kill or four kill, if the survivors don't check it early enough that the killer is actually leaving the hook. I know camping is a reliable strategy. But there is a good reason why it feels cheap from a survivors perspective, especially combined with NOED.1 -
NOED needs to go back to pre-patch.
Only Tier 3 can cause Exposed Effect.I run it, but I think I might stop it and switch to something like Haunted Ground.
I'm running a 3 perk game when everyone is dead at 2 gens left.1 -
@BigBubs said:
It does not reward your failure in preventing the survivors from completing their objective?
Ok...
Just use the perk if you want. No need in justifying it.
I get it. You got called noob or whatever in the end chat a lot for using it , but it's better not to come posting stuff while you're still emotionally unstable , you're just making yourself look silly.It rewards the killer for the survivors focusing only on gens and ignoring totems (also called genrush)
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@Vietfox said:
Funny how some people say SC is a crutch while NOED isn't.
NOED punishes survivors for not cleansing totems? SC punishes killers losing at chases.
I personally don't have anything against NOED, but i find it funny anyway.Self Care is not a crutch either
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The only crutch perk in this game is ds. It requires nothing of you except hitting a skillecheck which gives you a free escape and a killer stun. The only guaranteed counter for it is rancor and can be only achieved once all the gens are done, if the killer decides to use that perk.
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@Tsulan said:
Vietfox said:
Tsulan said:
Vietfox said:
Tsulan said:
Vietfox said:Funny how some people say SC is a crutch while NOED isn't.
NOED punishes survivors for not cleansing totems? SC punishes killers losing at chases.
I personally don't have anything against NOED, but i find it funny anyway.So killer should tunnel.
Got it!@Tsulan
Tunnel =/= chasing a survivor injured by the killer alreadyOh right, tunnel = killer doing his only objective.
My bad!Who the hell talked about tunneling in this thread?
PS: Ur comments were way better before my ban.But chasing a injured survivor is considered tunneling.
No one is even saying this. You need to relax.
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People really need to calm down before they start posting stuff like this on the forums.
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@Biohazard916 said:
@AnthonyC2014 said:
@Vietfox said:
Funny how some people say SC is a crutch while NOED isn't.
NOED punishes survivors for not cleansing totems? SC punishes killers losing at chases.
I personally don't have anything against NOED, but i find it funny anyway.Self Care is not a crutch either
Either way youre bad and it's a crutch. It's there to give you easy mode.
You're bad if you lose the survivor and allow them to heal thus SC isn't a crutch, but if you need a crutch after losing a survivor that is running SC run Nurses. Now there you go, you have easy mode and can be lazy and unskilled and lose that survivor and rely on your Nurses calling crutch.
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NOED is certainly a crutch perk. Don't know what you're smoking. A lot of the new perks that have been introduced to the game lately are. All these perks and add on's that allow you to 1-shot people are ridiculous. I play killer mostly and don't use all of these 1 shot mechanics. I actually enjoy chasing and having a fun game. I don't know how the games changed so much over the past year but it has, and it isn't for the best. Killers that use these crutch perks and add on's just really give survivor teams little chance. I'm not talking about cool killers that actually play like a normal human being and give the other side a chance. Seems like there used to be a lot of them. But since returning to DBD lately, most killers are just tunnelers and campers. Using 1 shot perks at that to make it even easier for them.
But I guess for some people that's a fun environment.
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@HellDescent said:
The only crutch perk in this game is ds. It requires nothing of you except hitting a skillecheck which gives you a free escape and a killer stun. The only guaranteed counter for it is rancor and can be only achieved once all the gens are done, if the killer decides to use that perk.D/S is the most overrated perk in the game. Even if you don't juggle or slug the person with d-strike... The perk let's you get off his shoulders once, and get a few feet away from the killer. But people whine about it like it's broken. There's so many better perks in the game. Where as NOED is a perk where a killer can lose all game and then end up getting 3-4 kills. NOED is so much stronger then D/S. It's silly that you'd even make a statement like this.
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@GrannyonAcid said:
@HellDescent said:
The only crutch perk in this game is ds. It requires nothing of you except hitting a skillecheck which gives you a free escape and a killer stun. The only guaranteed counter for it is rancor and can be only achieved once all the gens are done, if the killer decides to use that perk.D/S is the most overrated perk in the game. Even if you don't juggle or slug the person with d-strike... The perk let's you get off his shoulders once, and get a few feet away from the killer. But people whine about it like it's broken. There's so many better perks in the game. Where as NOED is a perk where a killer can lose all game and then end up getting 3-4 kills. NOED is so much stronger then D/S. It's silly that you'd even make a statement like this.
And how can you get noed if survivors cleanse the totems? Noed is easily countered.
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By definition, every single perk is a crutch perk
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I 100% agree and actually believe (not being sarcastic here) that using it as a crutch is using it wrong.AnthonyC2014 said:NOED is not a crutch perk for one reason. It does NOT reward complete failure, rather, it punishes failure on the survivor's side. I can not tell you how many times I have hooked people trying to t-bag at the exit gates and then they got killed from NOED. It is the best thing I can explain, especially if you have a mori or you had 5 tokens to Devour Hope.
Say what you want, I am prepared for survivor salt, as per usual.
It's a risky perk. You are betting that survivors will make it to end game and gambling that they won't cleanse all the totems (which, if more than 2-3 are at end game, we are basically losing).
The goal is to secure those last hooks to secure the 3-4 k. But if there are 3 survivors, I am hooking one, it leaves the other two free to cleanse my totem or escape. If I haven't been playing well, they will have too many hooks left before sacrifice and will probably free the hook and escape....or let the hook die, one exits the last gets hatch.
Survivors like to bash it but I think that just comes from the huge disappointment of getting hooked after exit gates pop, when better survivors will have escaped.0 -
Does OP need tissues, or...?1
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No Mither is the biggest crutch perk of all.Dragonredking said:By definition, every single perk is a crutch perk
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I see it as punishment for people who are ballsy enough to stay. I Had already killed 1 survivor with Trapper and then the gates got powered, they had no idea I had NOED so I decided to hold still and pretend I went AFK. Two of them came up to my face and started teabagging, I downed them both and got an easy 3 man.
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I don't use NOED at all because it wastes a perk slot for end game that im not planning on allowing to happen anyway. But i'm glad a lot of people do now because it does give the survivors something else to do besides just worrying about gens. I like the fact that they are looking for dull totems pretty much every match now.
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