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I really think the Hillbilly's instasaw should be looked at.
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Zubat says instasaw is stupid. If you dont believe a killer main would say that then what's your argument vs that?
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@only1biggs said:
Billy main here...Instasaw needs to be nerfed hard.@Wolf74 you keep saying things like "nice survivor memes" or "meme bait" without realizing that you are in fact a meme. You. Any time you post something, people all over the place slap their foreheads and laugh at you.
That's this dude's argument against anything "darn survivor meme", I feel like he has nothing real to say.
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@FujinRaijin said:
@only1biggs said:
Billy main here...Instasaw needs to be nerfed hard.@Wolf74 you keep saying things like "nice survivor memes" or "meme bait" without realizing that you are in fact a meme. You. Any time you post something, people all over the place slap their foreheads and laugh at you.
That's this dude's argument against anything "darn survivor meme", I feel like he has nothing real to say.
lol
Yea, sure. I am just tired of debating with certain survivor mains.
They don't want to talk about arguments, logic or science/mathematics.
They have their agenda and try to push it through.
You can't win an internet debate with arguments if the other side is simply more stubborn and keeps repeating their agenda until they think it became true.2 -
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
Billy main here...Instasaw needs to be nerfed hard.Zubat says instasaw is stupid. If you dont believe a killer main would say that then what's your argument vs that?
You see what we're dealing with? Rants about "memes" and uses his own "killer main btw" memes. Contributes absolutely nothing of interest.
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@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@only1biggs said:
Billy main here...Instasaw needs to be nerfed hard.@Wolf74 you keep saying things like "nice survivor memes" or "meme bait" without realizing that you are in fact a meme. You. Any time you post something, people all over the place slap their foreheads and laugh at you.
That's this dude's argument against anything "darn survivor meme", I feel like he has nothing real to say.
lol
Yea, sure. I am just tired of debating with certain survivor mains.
They don't want to talk about arguments, logic or science/mathematics.
They have their agenda and try to push it through.
You can't win an internet debate with arguments if the other side is simply more stubborn and keeps repeating their agenda until they think it became true.YOU LITERALLY DESCRIBED YOURSELF AND OTHER TRASH KILLERS HERE.
Congrats LUL
:'D
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only1biggs is one of the most activ survivor mains in this forum and tells us about his p3 billy plays just to tell everyone how powerful killer are.
Yea, sure. 100% believable.2 -
Amen. 🙌@SenzuDuck said:@Bravo0413 said:
Simply because this build can counter an Insta heal... one of the few that can if the build gets nerfed then theres even fewer that can counter... most players that play this game to have fun and you're not really having fun when you're not competing (unless you're playing survivor in which you don't really have to compete "shrugs")Can we not pretend everyone is running around with d strike insta heals to counter "insta billy" like, people can run whatever they want, but I don't see why every conversation has to end up being a pissing contest between which side has the most annoying things.
If someone started a thread about buffing freddy I'm sure as hell not going to go in there asking for things to be buffed for survivor or a different killer, it's ass backwards.
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Wolf74 calls every counterargument a survivor-meme, disregarding the comment where I said one of the best Billy players says instasaw is stupidly broken and continuing the delusion that you cannot main killer and consider some things they have stupid.
When you talk about balance you talk objectively.
The lower-tier killers are garbage and in need of buffs/reworks.
Nurse needs nerfs and Billy is fine WITHOUT instasaw.
Care to disagree? Then have a real debate without disregarding ######### as "survior/killer-memes".8 -
@FujinRaijin said:
Wolf74 calls every counterargument a survivor-meme, disregarding the comment where I said one of the best Billy players says instasaw is stupidly broken and continuing the delusion that you cannot main killer and consider some things they have stupid.
When you talk about balance you talk objectively.
The lower-tier killers are garbage and in need of buffs/reworks.
Nurse needs nerfs and Billy is fine WITHOUT instasaw.
Care to disagree? Then have a real debate without disregarding ######### as "survior/killer-memes".Perfection
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@FujinRaijin said:
Wolf74 calls every counterargument a survivor-meme, disregarding the comment where I said one of the best Billy players says instasaw is stupidly broken and continuing the delusion that you cannot main killer and consider some things they have stupid.
When you talk about balance you talk objectively.
The lower-tier killers are garbage and in need of buffs/reworks.
Nurse needs nerfs and Billy is fine WITHOUT instasaw.
Care to disagree? Then have a real debate without disregarding ######### as "survior/killer-memes".Pretty simple answer:
As long as the low tier killer haven't been buffed, any debate about nerfing the few viable killer is pointless.
The game is still terribly survivor sided.
If both sides are on the same skilllevel, killer will lose (1k max).
The game needs to be balanced top down instead of bottom up.
Survivor use this doublestandard that anything survivor related should get balanced around "bad teammates", but anything killerrelated should be balanced around the most top notch killer player available.
That needs to end to get a reasonable debate about balance.PS: Lets be honest, anybody coming to the forum with the "DS is fine, I just down them again and if you can't do that in 10 seconds your a garbage killer" is just using bad memes.
Survivor complain about 4 seconds extra on healing, but chasing for 10 more seconds is fine?
Any decent survivor is NOT downed in 10 seconds and mediocre runner extend a chase to ~30 seconds per hit. (That's how gen rush works and 3 gens pop when the first victim gets hooked)
So this is meme is not a real argument, because it isn't real calculation of a chase.5 -
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
Wolf74 calls every counterargument a survivor-meme, disregarding the comment where I said one of the best Billy players says instasaw is stupidly broken and continuing the delusion that you cannot main killer and consider some things they have stupid.
When you talk about balance you talk objectively.
The lower-tier killers are garbage and in need of buffs/reworks.
Nurse needs nerfs and Billy is fine WITHOUT instasaw.
Care to disagree? Then have a real debate without disregarding ######### as "survior/killer-memes".Pretty simple answer:
As long as the low tier killer haven't been buffed, any debate about nerfing the few viable killer is pointless.
The game is still terribly survivor sided.
If both sides are on the same skilllevel, killer will lose (1k max).
The game needs to be balanced top down instead of bottom up.
Survivor use this doublestandard that anything survivor related should get balanced around "bad teammates", but anything killerrelated should be balanced around the most top notch killer player available.
That needs to end to get a reasonable debate about balance.Nerfing instasaw would not hurt Hillbilly's viability, it just makes the player actually have better timing (I dont use charge-speed add-ons because they often cause me to overcharge), Billy's saw is perfectly viable around loops without instasaw if your timing is good. Instasaw takes away this need to have timing skills and makes dodging backrevs unrealistically hard. If you use Carburator + Thommy Mix instead of Primer Bulb you always have practically 0 cooldown, which is a very important restriction and barely lose any charge speed.
Bottom line is that Billy does not need instasaw to be viable. Same way Nurse does not need omegablink or extra blinks.
Freddy needing a buff does not justify leaving Instasaw alone, that is a completely asine way to justify it.9 -
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
Wolf74 calls every counterargument a survivor-meme, disregarding the comment where I said one of the best Billy players says instasaw is stupidly broken and continuing the delusion that you cannot main killer and consider some things they have stupid.
When you talk about balance you talk objectively.
The lower-tier killers are garbage and in need of buffs/reworks.
Nurse needs nerfs and Billy is fine WITHOUT instasaw.
Care to disagree? Then have a real debate without disregarding ######### as "survior/killer-memes".Pretty simple answer:
As long as the low tier killer haven't been buffed, any debate about nerfing the few viable killer is pointless.
The game is still terribly survivor sided.
If both sides are on the same skilllevel, killer will lose (1k max).
The game needs to be balanced top down instead of bottom up.
Survivor use this doublestandard that anything survivor related should get balanced around "bad teammates", but anything killerrelated should be balanced around the most top notch killer player available.
That needs to end to get a reasonable debate about balance.This thread isn't asking for a nerf to Billy, just his instasaw. You're either unable to read, or are being intentionally dishonest.
You also just said "the game should be balanced from the top down but not when it comes to killers" (according to survivors). What!?
Just stop dude, it's embarrassing.
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@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
Wolf74 calls every counterargument a survivor-meme, disregarding the comment where I said one of the best Billy players says instasaw is stupidly broken and continuing the delusion that you cannot main killer and consider some things they have stupid.
When you talk about balance you talk objectively.
The lower-tier killers are garbage and in need of buffs/reworks.
Nurse needs nerfs and Billy is fine WITHOUT instasaw.
Care to disagree? Then have a real debate without disregarding ######### as "survior/killer-memes".Pretty simple answer:
As long as the low tier killer haven't been buffed, any debate about nerfing the few viable killer is pointless.
The game is still terribly survivor sided.
If both sides are on the same skilllevel, killer will lose (1k max).
The game needs to be balanced top down instead of bottom up.
Survivor use this doublestandard that anything survivor related should get balanced around "bad teammates", but anything killerrelated should be balanced around the most top notch killer player available.
That needs to end to get a reasonable debate about balance.This thread isn't asking for a nerf to Billy, just his instasaw. You're either unable to read, or are being intentionally dishonest.
You also just said "the game should be balanced from the top down but not when it comes to killers" (according to survivors). What!?
Just stop dude, it's embarrassing.
lol
Just stop?^^So another nerf to "instasaw" is NOT a nerf to Billy?
Who is dishonest now?Btw... "instasaw" basically isn't existent anymore, because it already got nerfed (last patch or the one before).
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@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
Wolf74 calls every counterargument a survivor-meme, disregarding the comment where I said one of the best Billy players says instasaw is stupidly broken and continuing the delusion that you cannot main killer and consider some things they have stupid.
When you talk about balance you talk objectively.
The lower-tier killers are garbage and in need of buffs/reworks.
Nurse needs nerfs and Billy is fine WITHOUT instasaw.
Care to disagree? Then have a real debate without disregarding ######### as "survior/killer-memes".Pretty simple answer:
As long as the low tier killer haven't been buffed, any debate about nerfing the few viable killer is pointless.
The game is still terribly survivor sided.
If both sides are on the same skilllevel, killer will lose (1k max).
The game needs to be balanced top down instead of bottom up.
Survivor use this doublestandard that anything survivor related should get balanced around "bad teammates", but anything killerrelated should be balanced around the most top notch killer player available.
That needs to end to get a reasonable debate about balance.This thread isn't asking for a nerf to Billy, just his instasaw. You're either unable to read, or are being intentionally dishonest.
You also just said "the game should be balanced from the top down but not when it comes to killers" (according to survivors). What!?
Just stop dude, it's embarrassing.
lol
Just stop?^^So another nerf to "instasaw" is NOT a nerf to Billy?
Who is dishonest now?Btw... "instasaw" basically isn't existent anymore, because it already got nerfed (last patch or the one before).
Ok, I tried to give you a serious answer, but you just showed that you are just like the rest. Not interested in a serious debate, but just wanting more nerfs to killer and lose yourself in more personal attacks.
@FujinRaijin just explained why you are incorrect about another nerf to Billy. IT IS YOU WHO IS NOT INTERESTED IN A DEBATE. Get a grip and stop embarrassing yourself.
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@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
Wolf74 calls every counterargument a survivor-meme, disregarding the comment where I said one of the best Billy players says instasaw is stupidly broken and continuing the delusion that you cannot main killer and consider some things they have stupid.
When you talk about balance you talk objectively.
The lower-tier killers are garbage and in need of buffs/reworks.
Nurse needs nerfs and Billy is fine WITHOUT instasaw.
Care to disagree? Then have a real debate without disregarding ######### as "survior/killer-memes".Pretty simple answer:
As long as the low tier killer haven't been buffed, any debate about nerfing the few viable killer is pointless.
The game is still terribly survivor sided.
If both sides are on the same skilllevel, killer will lose (1k max).
The game needs to be balanced top down instead of bottom up.
Survivor use this doublestandard that anything survivor related should get balanced around "bad teammates", but anything killerrelated should be balanced around the most top notch killer player available.
That needs to end to get a reasonable debate about balance.This thread isn't asking for a nerf to Billy, just his instasaw. You're either unable to read, or are being intentionally dishonest.
You also just said "the game should be balanced from the top down but not when it comes to killers" (according to survivors). What!?
Just stop dude, it's embarrassing.
lol
Just stop?^^So another nerf to "instasaw" is NOT a nerf to Billy?
Who is dishonest now?Btw... "instasaw" basically isn't existent anymore, because it already got nerfed (last patch or the one before).
Instasaw is not a SIGNIFICANT nerf to Billy, because good Billies do not need it, Billy is top-tier with or without add-ons, this specific combo just makes it too much.
The entire delusion that Billy takes no skill comes FROM instasaw removing the need to time chainsaws and reducing the cooldown to an extent where you dont even need to hit them consistently.
There is objectively no reason to keep instasaw in the game, or they at least should bump up Carburator to purple to make them at least somewhat less common in the future. But really outright nerfing only those add-on combinations without touching his base-power would be enough.7 -
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
Wolf74 calls every counterargument a survivor-meme, disregarding the comment where I said one of the best Billy players says instasaw is stupidly broken and continuing the delusion that you cannot main killer and consider some things they have stupid.
When you talk about balance you talk objectively.
The lower-tier killers are garbage and in need of buffs/reworks.
Nurse needs nerfs and Billy is fine WITHOUT instasaw.
Care to disagree? Then have a real debate without disregarding ######### as "survior/killer-memes".Pretty simple answer:
As long as the low tier killer haven't been buffed, any debate about nerfing the few viable killer is pointless.
The game is still terribly survivor sided.
If both sides are on the same skilllevel, killer will lose (1k max).
The game needs to be balanced top down instead of bottom up.
Survivor use this doublestandard that anything survivor related should get balanced around "bad teammates", but anything killerrelated should be balanced around the most top notch killer player available.
That needs to end to get a reasonable debate about balance.This thread isn't asking for a nerf to Billy, just his instasaw. You're either unable to read, or are being intentionally dishonest.
You also just said "the game should be balanced from the top down but not when it comes to killers" (according to survivors). What!?
Just stop dude, it's embarrassing.
lol
Just stop?^^So another nerf to "instasaw" is NOT a nerf to Billy?
Who is dishonest now?Btw... "instasaw" basically isn't existent anymore, because it already got nerfed (last patch or the one before).
Instasaw is not a SIGNIFICANT nerf to Billy, because good Billies do not need it, Billy is top-tier with or without add-ons, this specific combo just makes it too much.
The entire delusion that Billy takes no skill comes FROM instasaw removing the need to time chainsaws and reducing the cooldown to an extent where you dont even need to hit them consistently.
There is objectively no reason to keep instasaw in the game, or they at least should bump up Carburator to purple to make them at least somewhat less common in the future. But really outright nerfing only those add-on combinations without touching his base-power would be enough.So an "insignificant" nerf (which is still debatable to call it that) is "NO" nerf at all?
So... hurting someone just a little, is "not hurting at all"? Just cheating a little is "not cheating at all"?
That way of arguing is just objectively WRONG.
And you completely ignored that instasaw was already nerfed not so long ago.and again, why does a killer ability needs to get nerfed for the top notch killer player, but survivor stuff is always balanced around low skill player?
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@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
Wolf74 calls every counterargument a survivor-meme, disregarding the comment where I said one of the best Billy players says instasaw is stupidly broken and continuing the delusion that you cannot main killer and consider some things they have stupid.
When you talk about balance you talk objectively.
The lower-tier killers are garbage and in need of buffs/reworks.
Nurse needs nerfs and Billy is fine WITHOUT instasaw.
Care to disagree? Then have a real debate without disregarding ######### as "survior/killer-memes".Pretty simple answer:
As long as the low tier killer haven't been buffed, any debate about nerfing the few viable killer is pointless.
The game is still terribly survivor sided.
If both sides are on the same skilllevel, killer will lose (1k max).
The game needs to be balanced top down instead of bottom up.
Survivor use this doublestandard that anything survivor related should get balanced around "bad teammates", but anything killerrelated should be balanced around the most top notch killer player available.
That needs to end to get a reasonable debate about balance.This thread isn't asking for a nerf to Billy, just his instasaw. You're either unable to read, or are being intentionally dishonest.
You also just said "the game should be balanced from the top down but not when it comes to killers" (according to survivors). What!?
Just stop dude, it's embarrassing.
lol
Just stop?^^So another nerf to "instasaw" is NOT a nerf to Billy?
Who is dishonest now?Btw... "instasaw" basically isn't existent anymore, because it already got nerfed (last patch or the one before).
Instasaw is not a SIGNIFICANT nerf to Billy, because good Billies do not need it, Billy is top-tier with or without add-ons, this specific combo just makes it too much.
The entire delusion that Billy takes no skill comes FROM instasaw removing the need to time chainsaws and reducing the cooldown to an extent where you dont even need to hit them consistently.
There is objectively no reason to keep instasaw in the game, or they at least should bump up Carburator to purple to make them at least somewhat less common in the future. But really outright nerfing only those add-on combinations without touching his base-power would be enough.So an "insignificant" nerf (which is still debatable to call it that) is "NO" nerf at all?
So... hurting someone just a little, is "not hurting at all"? Just cheating a little is "not cheating at all"?
That way of arguing is just objectively WRONG.
And you completely ignored that instasaw was already nerfed not so long ago.and again, why does a killer ability needs to get nerfed for the top notch killer player, but survivor stuff is always balanced around low skill player?
Instasaw takes literally 0 skill to use. There is 0 argument to be had for keeping it as is. You are arguing that "Billy shouldn't be nerfed" not "instasaw shouldn't be nerfed". A nerf to a killer is either nerfing their add-ons when they NEED them, like the blocks or class photo for freddy, or leatherfaces add-ons, but Billy himself will not fall in viability at all, he would just be way healthier for the game, almost ALL complaints about Billy come from facing instasaw.
Instasaw is broken, brainless and stupid.
Hillbilly is strong, but not OP and you need to actually be good to use him effectively.
there is a DIFFERENCE between a Billy with and without those add-ons. Nerfing those add-ons will not impact Billy himself, it will just make that combination more tolerable.7 -
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
Wolf74 calls every counterargument a survivor-meme, disregarding the comment where I said one of the best Billy players says instasaw is stupidly broken and continuing the delusion that you cannot main killer and consider some things they have stupid.
When you talk about balance you talk objectively.
The lower-tier killers are garbage and in need of buffs/reworks.
Nurse needs nerfs and Billy is fine WITHOUT instasaw.
Care to disagree? Then have a real debate without disregarding ######### as "survior/killer-memes".Pretty simple answer:
As long as the low tier killer haven't been buffed, any debate about nerfing the few viable killer is pointless.
The game is still terribly survivor sided.
If both sides are on the same skilllevel, killer will lose (1k max).
The game needs to be balanced top down instead of bottom up.
Survivor use this doublestandard that anything survivor related should get balanced around "bad teammates", but anything killerrelated should be balanced around the most top notch killer player available.
That needs to end to get a reasonable debate about balance.This thread isn't asking for a nerf to Billy, just his instasaw. You're either unable to read, or are being intentionally dishonest.
You also just said "the game should be balanced from the top down but not when it comes to killers" (according to survivors). What!?
Just stop dude, it's embarrassing.
lol
Just stop?^^So another nerf to "instasaw" is NOT a nerf to Billy?
Who is dishonest now?Btw... "instasaw" basically isn't existent anymore, because it already got nerfed (last patch or the one before).
Instasaw is not a SIGNIFICANT nerf to Billy, because good Billies do not need it, Billy is top-tier with or without add-ons, this specific combo just makes it too much.
The entire delusion that Billy takes no skill comes FROM instasaw removing the need to time chainsaws and reducing the cooldown to an extent where you dont even need to hit them consistently.
There is objectively no reason to keep instasaw in the game, or they at least should bump up Carburator to purple to make them at least somewhat less common in the future. But really outright nerfing only those add-on combinations without touching his base-power would be enough.So an "insignificant" nerf (which is still debatable to call it that) is "NO" nerf at all?
So... hurting someone just a little, is "not hurting at all"? Just cheating a little is "not cheating at all"?
That way of arguing is just objectively WRONG.
And you completely ignored that instasaw was already nerfed not so long ago.and again, why does a killer ability needs to get nerfed for the top notch killer player, but survivor stuff is always balanced around low skill player?
What are you driveling about!?
Hurting and cheating? We're talking about the Billy addons that don't need to be in the game for him to be viable. They need to be toned down. It's that simple.
This has been explained to you TWICE and you keep ignoring it to then spout some more nonsense. It's mind blowing.
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Also if you think the tinkerer rework did anything you are just plain wrong, Carburator Tuning Guide + Thompson Mix/Primer Bulb is still extremely broken
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@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
Wolf74 calls every counterargument a survivor-meme, disregarding the comment where I said one of the best Billy players says instasaw is stupidly broken and continuing the delusion that you cannot main killer and consider some things they have stupid.
When you talk about balance you talk objectively.
The lower-tier killers are garbage and in need of buffs/reworks.
Nurse needs nerfs and Billy is fine WITHOUT instasaw.
Care to disagree? Then have a real debate without disregarding ######### as "survior/killer-memes".Pretty simple answer:
As long as the low tier killer haven't been buffed, any debate about nerfing the few viable killer is pointless.
The game is still terribly survivor sided.
If both sides are on the same skilllevel, killer will lose (1k max).
The game needs to be balanced top down instead of bottom up.
Survivor use this doublestandard that anything survivor related should get balanced around "bad teammates", but anything killerrelated should be balanced around the most top notch killer player available.
That needs to end to get a reasonable debate about balance.This thread isn't asking for a nerf to Billy, just his instasaw. You're either unable to read, or are being intentionally dishonest.
You also just said "the game should be balanced from the top down but not when it comes to killers" (according to survivors). What!?
Just stop dude, it's embarrassing.
lol
Just stop?^^So another nerf to "instasaw" is NOT a nerf to Billy?
Who is dishonest now?Btw... "instasaw" basically isn't existent anymore, because it already got nerfed (last patch or the one before).
Instasaw is not a SIGNIFICANT nerf to Billy, because good Billies do not need it, Billy is top-tier with or without add-ons, this specific combo just makes it too much.
The entire delusion that Billy takes no skill comes FROM instasaw removing the need to time chainsaws and reducing the cooldown to an extent where you dont even need to hit them consistently.
There is objectively no reason to keep instasaw in the game, or they at least should bump up Carburator to purple to make them at least somewhat less common in the future. But really outright nerfing only those add-on combinations without touching his base-power would be enough.So an "insignificant" nerf (which is still debatable to call it that) is "NO" nerf at all?
So... hurting someone just a little, is "not hurting at all"? Just cheating a little is "not cheating at all"?
That way of arguing is just objectively WRONG.
And you completely ignored that instasaw was already nerfed not so long ago.and again, why does a killer ability needs to get nerfed for the top notch killer player, but survivor stuff is always balanced around low skill player?
Instasaw takes literally 0 skill to use. There is 0 argument to be had for keeping it as is. You are arguing that "Billy shouldn't be nerfed" not "instasaw shouldn't be nerfed". A nerf to a killer is either nerfing their add-ons when they NEED them, like the blocks or class photo for freddy, or leatherfaces add-ons, but Billy himself will not fall in viability at all, he would just be way healthier for the game, almost ALL complaints about Billy come from facing instasaw.
Instasaw is broken, brainless and stupid.
Hillbilly is strong, but not OP and you need to actually be good to use him effectively.
there is a DIFFERENCE between a Billy with and without those add-ons. Nerfing those add-ons will not impact Billy himself, it will just make that combination more tolerable.As soon as someone is dropping the "0 skill" speech, we are in meme land again.
Sorry, but I was about to take you serious, but now you lose it again.
"skillless, broken, brainless, stupid"... do you wanna talk about some survivorstuff?
Like calculating chases versus time to do gens?
That's what I said, IF survivor have half a functioning braincell, they can roflstomp any killer.
That seems to be totally ok with you, but any ability you deem "brainless" on a kilelr needs to get nerfed (multiple times).3 -
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
Wolf74 calls every counterargument a survivor-meme, disregarding the comment where I said one of the best Billy players says instasaw is stupidly broken and continuing the delusion that you cannot main killer and consider some things they have stupid.
When you talk about balance you talk objectively.
The lower-tier killers are garbage and in need of buffs/reworks.
Nurse needs nerfs and Billy is fine WITHOUT instasaw.
Care to disagree? Then have a real debate without disregarding ######### as "survior/killer-memes".Pretty simple answer:
As long as the low tier killer haven't been buffed, any debate about nerfing the few viable killer is pointless.
The game is still terribly survivor sided.
If both sides are on the same skilllevel, killer will lose (1k max).
The game needs to be balanced top down instead of bottom up.
Survivor use this doublestandard that anything survivor related should get balanced around "bad teammates", but anything killerrelated should be balanced around the most top notch killer player available.
That needs to end to get a reasonable debate about balance.This thread isn't asking for a nerf to Billy, just his instasaw. You're either unable to read, or are being intentionally dishonest.
You also just said "the game should be balanced from the top down but not when it comes to killers" (according to survivors). What!?
Just stop dude, it's embarrassing.
lol
Just stop?^^So another nerf to "instasaw" is NOT a nerf to Billy?
Who is dishonest now?Btw... "instasaw" basically isn't existent anymore, because it already got nerfed (last patch or the one before).
Instasaw is not a SIGNIFICANT nerf to Billy, because good Billies do not need it, Billy is top-tier with or without add-ons, this specific combo just makes it too much.
The entire delusion that Billy takes no skill comes FROM instasaw removing the need to time chainsaws and reducing the cooldown to an extent where you dont even need to hit them consistently.
There is objectively no reason to keep instasaw in the game, or they at least should bump up Carburator to purple to make them at least somewhat less common in the future. But really outright nerfing only those add-on combinations without touching his base-power would be enough.So an "insignificant" nerf (which is still debatable to call it that) is "NO" nerf at all?
So... hurting someone just a little, is "not hurting at all"? Just cheating a little is "not cheating at all"?
That way of arguing is just objectively WRONG.
And you completely ignored that instasaw was already nerfed not so long ago.and again, why does a killer ability needs to get nerfed for the top notch killer player, but survivor stuff is always balanced around low skill player?
Instasaw takes literally 0 skill to use. There is 0 argument to be had for keeping it as is. You are arguing that "Billy shouldn't be nerfed" not "instasaw shouldn't be nerfed". A nerf to a killer is either nerfing their add-ons when they NEED them, like the blocks or class photo for freddy, or leatherfaces add-ons, but Billy himself will not fall in viability at all, he would just be way healthier for the game, almost ALL complaints about Billy come from facing instasaw.
Instasaw is broken, brainless and stupid.
Hillbilly is strong, but not OP and you need to actually be good to use him effectively.
there is a DIFFERENCE between a Billy with and without those add-ons. Nerfing those add-ons will not impact Billy himself, it will just make that combination more tolerable.As soon as someone is dropping the "0 skill" speech, we are in meme land again.
Sorry, but I was about to take you serious, but now you lose it again.
"skillless, broken, brainless, stupid"... do you wanna talk about some survivorstuff?
Like calculating chases versus time to do gens?
That's what I said, IF survivor have half a functioning braincell, they can roflstomp any killer.
That seems to be totally ok with you, but any ability you deem "brainless" on a kilelr needs to get nerfed (multiple times).I dont even know where you're pulling this stuff from. THIS ARGUMENT ISN'T ABOUT SURVIVORS, IT'S ABOUT INSTASAW, GIVE ME A PROPER ARGUMENT AS TO HOW INSTASAW IS BALANCED OR FAIR, NO DERAILING IT TO SURVIVORS.
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@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
Wolf74 calls every counterargument a survivor-meme, disregarding the comment where I said one of the best Billy players says instasaw is stupidly broken and continuing the delusion that you cannot main killer and consider some things they have stupid.
When you talk about balance you talk objectively.
The lower-tier killers are garbage and in need of buffs/reworks.
Nurse needs nerfs and Billy is fine WITHOUT instasaw.
Care to disagree? Then have a real debate without disregarding ######### as "survior/killer-memes".Pretty simple answer:
As long as the low tier killer haven't been buffed, any debate about nerfing the few viable killer is pointless.
The game is still terribly survivor sided.
If both sides are on the same skilllevel, killer will lose (1k max).
The game needs to be balanced top down instead of bottom up.
Survivor use this doublestandard that anything survivor related should get balanced around "bad teammates", but anything killerrelated should be balanced around the most top notch killer player available.
That needs to end to get a reasonable debate about balance.This thread isn't asking for a nerf to Billy, just his instasaw. You're either unable to read, or are being intentionally dishonest.
You also just said "the game should be balanced from the top down but not when it comes to killers" (according to survivors). What!?
Just stop dude, it's embarrassing.
lol
Just stop?^^So another nerf to "instasaw" is NOT a nerf to Billy?
Who is dishonest now?Btw... "instasaw" basically isn't existent anymore, because it already got nerfed (last patch or the one before).
Instasaw is not a SIGNIFICANT nerf to Billy, because good Billies do not need it, Billy is top-tier with or without add-ons, this specific combo just makes it too much.
The entire delusion that Billy takes no skill comes FROM instasaw removing the need to time chainsaws and reducing the cooldown to an extent where you dont even need to hit them consistently.
There is objectively no reason to keep instasaw in the game, or they at least should bump up Carburator to purple to make them at least somewhat less common in the future. But really outright nerfing only those add-on combinations without touching his base-power would be enough.So an "insignificant" nerf (which is still debatable to call it that) is "NO" nerf at all?
So... hurting someone just a little, is "not hurting at all"? Just cheating a little is "not cheating at all"?
That way of arguing is just objectively WRONG.
And you completely ignored that instasaw was already nerfed not so long ago.and again, why does a killer ability needs to get nerfed for the top notch killer player, but survivor stuff is always balanced around low skill player?
Instasaw takes literally 0 skill to use. There is 0 argument to be had for keeping it as is. You are arguing that "Billy shouldn't be nerfed" not "instasaw shouldn't be nerfed". A nerf to a killer is either nerfing their add-ons when they NEED them, like the blocks or class photo for freddy, or leatherfaces add-ons, but Billy himself will not fall in viability at all, he would just be way healthier for the game, almost ALL complaints about Billy come from facing instasaw.
Instasaw is broken, brainless and stupid.
Hillbilly is strong, but not OP and you need to actually be good to use him effectively.
there is a DIFFERENCE between a Billy with and without those add-ons. Nerfing those add-ons will not impact Billy himself, it will just make that combination more tolerable.As soon as someone is dropping the "0 skill" speech, we are in meme land again.
Sorry, but I was about to take you serious, but now you lose it again.
"skillless, broken, brainless, stupid"... do you wanna talk about some survivorstuff?
Like calculating chases versus time to do gens?
That's what I said, IF survivor have half a functioning braincell, they can roflstomp any killer.
That seems to be totally ok with you, but any ability you deem "brainless" on a kilelr needs to get nerfed (multiple times).I dont even know where you're pulling this stuff from. THIS ARGUMENT ISN'T ABOUT SURVIVORS, IT'S ABOUT INSTASAW, GIVE ME A PROPER ARGUMENT AS TO HOW INSTASAW IS BALANCED OR FAIR, NO DERAILING IT TO SURVIVORS.
He just likes to do maths in game, instead of winning chases and hooking etc....
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@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:Relax he is just brainless freddy main.He is biased ignore him
I know but I enjoy this.
Ok, now we are getting honest here.
You don't want a reasonable debate, you just want to troll for your enjoyment.
Just what I expected.
Go to your echochamber, with your survivor buddies and tell each other how smart you guys are.
This is like playing chess with a pidgeon.???? I just said I enjoy this, I think you're completely wrong and delusional but I am looking to have a genuine argument.
Speaking of echo chambers, you've been unironically implying that survivors are still overpowered, that is not true. The weaker killers are underpowered and some maps have been poorly designed, this does not make survivors OP.
You still havent told me how instasaw is balanced or fair.5 -
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:Relax he is just brainless freddy main.He is biased ignore him
I know but I enjoy this.
Ok, now we are getting honest here.
You don't want a reasonable debate, you just want to troll for your enjoyment.
Just what I expected.
Go to your echochamber, with your survivor buddies and tell each other how smart you guys are.
This is like playing chess with a pidgeon.???? I just said I enjoy this, I think you're completely wrong and delusional but I am looking to have a genuine argument.
Speaking of echo chambers, you've been unironically implying that survivors are still overpowered, that is not true. The weaker killers are underpowered and some maps have been poorly designed, this does not make survivors OP.
You still havent told me how instasaw is balanced or fair....and he won't, because he can't.
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@only1biggs said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:Relax he is just brainless freddy main.He is biased ignore him
I know but I enjoy this.
Ok, now we are getting honest here.
You don't want a reasonable debate, you just want to troll for your enjoyment.
Just what I expected.
Go to your echochamber, with your survivor buddies and tell each other how smart you guys are.
This is like playing chess with a pidgeon.???? I just said I enjoy this, I think you're completely wrong and delusional but I am looking to have a genuine argument.
Speaking of echo chambers, you've been unironically implying that survivors are still overpowered, that is not true. The weaker killers are underpowered and some maps have been poorly designed, this does not make survivors OP.
You still havent told me how instasaw is balanced or fair....and he won't, because he can't.
Is there anything else you can contribute to this?
This is just a sad attempt to provoke and harass.
If you can't bring more to the table, feel free to just be quiet.3 -
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:Relax he is just brainless freddy main.He is biased ignore him
I know but I enjoy this.
Ok, now we are getting honest here.
You don't want a reasonable debate, you just want to troll for your enjoyment.
Just what I expected.
Go to your echochamber, with your survivor buddies and tell each other how smart you guys are.
This is like playing chess with a pidgeon.???? I just said I enjoy this, I think you're completely wrong and delusional but I am looking to have a genuine argument.
Speaking of echo chambers, you've been unironically implying that survivors are still overpowered, that is not true. The weaker killers are underpowered and some maps have been poorly designed, this does not make survivors OP.
You still havent told me how instasaw is balanced or fair.Yes, we have obviously different opinion son the game. for me it is still survivorsided by far.
Good survivor can still literally bully a killer.
Only very few, real good killer can stand a chance versus GOOD survivor.
That's what I constantly repeat: Killer have to be way better than the survivor to "win" (2+k).The point we can agree on: weaker killer need buffs, maps need adjustments.
But before that happend, ANY nerfs to the few viable killer are downright wroooooong.
PS: I do admit that the latest changes had been a step in the right direction, because now when I play solo survivor I actually have a harder time to survive.
Before the survivor nerfs, I could survive most games and I am playing solo survivor and I am mediocre at best.2 -
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:Relax he is just brainless freddy main.He is biased ignore him
I know but I enjoy this.
Ok, now we are getting honest here.
You don't want a reasonable debate, you just want to troll for your enjoyment.
Just what I expected.
Go to your echochamber, with your survivor buddies and tell each other how smart you guys are.
This is like playing chess with a pidgeon.???? I just said I enjoy this, I think you're completely wrong and delusional but I am looking to have a genuine argument.
Speaking of echo chambers, you've been unironically implying that survivors are still overpowered, that is not true. The weaker killers are underpowered and some maps have been poorly designed, this does not make survivors OP.
You still havent told me how instasaw is balanced or fair.Yes, we have obviously different opinion son the game. for me it is still survivorsided by far.
Good survivor can still literally bully a killer.
Only very few, real good killer can stand a chance versus GOOD survivor.
That's what I constantly repeat: Killer have to be way better than the survivor to "win" (2+k).The point we can agree on: weaker killer need buffs, maps need adjustments.
But before that happend, ANY nerfs to the few viable killer are downright wroooooong.
And can you please explain what this has to do with the topic at hand?
Can you please tell @FujinRaijin what is fair and balanced about instasaw?
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@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:Relax he is just brainless freddy main.He is biased ignore him
I know but I enjoy this.
Ok, now we are getting honest here.
You don't want a reasonable debate, you just want to troll for your enjoyment.
Just what I expected.
Go to your echochamber, with your survivor buddies and tell each other how smart you guys are.
This is like playing chess with a pidgeon.???? I just said I enjoy this, I think you're completely wrong and delusional but I am looking to have a genuine argument.
Speaking of echo chambers, you've been unironically implying that survivors are still overpowered, that is not true. The weaker killers are underpowered and some maps have been poorly designed, this does not make survivors OP.
You still havent told me how instasaw is balanced or fair....and he won't, because he can't.
Is there anything else you can contribute to this?
This is just a sad attempt to provoke and harass.
If you can't bring more to the table, feel free to just be quiet.It's not harassment nor provocation. Stop playing the victim card and practice what you preach. All you have done here is derail a thread because you think instasaw nerf would make Billy less viable, which is complete nonsense and wroooooong.
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@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:Relax he is just brainless freddy main.He is biased ignore him
I know but I enjoy this.
Ok, now we are getting honest here.
You don't want a reasonable debate, you just want to troll for your enjoyment.
Just what I expected.
Go to your echochamber, with your survivor buddies and tell each other how smart you guys are.
This is like playing chess with a pidgeon.???? I just said I enjoy this, I think you're completely wrong and delusional but I am looking to have a genuine argument.
Speaking of echo chambers, you've been unironically implying that survivors are still overpowered, that is not true. The weaker killers are underpowered and some maps have been poorly designed, this does not make survivors OP.
You still havent told me how instasaw is balanced or fair....and he won't, because he can't.
Is there anything else you can contribute to this?
This is just a sad attempt to provoke and harass.
If you can't bring more to the table, feel free to just be quiet.It's not harassment nor provocation. Stop playing the victim card and practice what you preach. All you have done here is derail a thread because you think instasaw nerf would make Billy less viable, which is complete nonsense and wroooooong.
You are specifically targeting me with no real context of your posts… that is pretty much teh definition of harassment. So better hold your horses.
You call me biased, but you are even worse than me.4 -
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:Relax he is just brainless freddy main.He is biased ignore him
I know but I enjoy this.
Ok, now we are getting honest here.
You don't want a reasonable debate, you just want to troll for your enjoyment.
Just what I expected.
Go to your echochamber, with your survivor buddies and tell each other how smart you guys are.
This is like playing chess with a pidgeon.???? I just said I enjoy this, I think you're completely wrong and delusional but I am looking to have a genuine argument.
Speaking of echo chambers, you've been unironically implying that survivors are still overpowered, that is not true. The weaker killers are underpowered and some maps have been poorly designed, this does not make survivors OP.
You still havent told me how instasaw is balanced or fair....and he won't, because he can't.
Is there anything else you can contribute to this?
This is just a sad attempt to provoke and harass.
If you can't bring more to the table, feel free to just be quiet.It's not harassment nor provocation. Stop playing the victim card and practice what you preach. All you have done here is derail a thread because you think instasaw nerf would make Billy less viable, which is complete nonsense and wroooooong.
You are specifically targeting me with no real context of your posts… that is pretty much teh definition of harassment. So better hold your horses.
You call me biased, but you are even worse than me.Stop replying to me then. Stop speaking about me without quoting or @'ing me. Stop being passive aggressive and then playing victim.
Now, why is instasaw fair/balanced? Try if you can, to add to the conversation instead of bringing up survivors or memes or whatever else -.-
Hold my horses.. please.
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@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:Relax he is just brainless freddy main.He is biased ignore him
I know but I enjoy this.
Ok, now we are getting honest here.
You don't want a reasonable debate, you just want to troll for your enjoyment.
Just what I expected.
Go to your echochamber, with your survivor buddies and tell each other how smart you guys are.
This is like playing chess with a pidgeon.???? I just said I enjoy this, I think you're completely wrong and delusional but I am looking to have a genuine argument.
Speaking of echo chambers, you've been unironically implying that survivors are still overpowered, that is not true. The weaker killers are underpowered and some maps have been poorly designed, this does not make survivors OP.
You still havent told me how instasaw is balanced or fair....and he won't, because he can't.
Is there anything else you can contribute to this?
This is just a sad attempt to provoke and harass.
If you can't bring more to the table, feel free to just be quiet.It's not harassment nor provocation. Stop playing the victim card and practice what you preach. All you have done here is derail a thread because you think instasaw nerf would make Billy less viable, which is complete nonsense and wroooooong.
You are specifically targeting me with no real context of your posts… that is pretty much teh definition of harassment. So better hold your horses.
You call me biased, but you are even worse than me.Stop replying to me then. Stop speaking about me without quoting or @'ing me. Stop being passive aggressive and then playing victim.
Now, why is instasaw fair/balanced? Try if you can, to add to the conversation instead of bringing up survivors or memes or whatever else -.-
Hold my horses.. please.
I actually already try to ignore you, but YOU are @'ing me all the time and directly ask questions to me!
I have no interest in talking to you, but you press me to defend myself with constant personal attacks.
Your opinion is written in stone anyway, that's why I do try to avoid debating with you.
I am only answering every now and than, so that your nonsenses doesn't stand there unopposed, like it is true or a fact (which 99% of your talk is not).3 -
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:Relax he is just brainless freddy main.He is biased ignore him
I know but I enjoy this.
Ok, now we are getting honest here.
You don't want a reasonable debate, you just want to troll for your enjoyment.
Just what I expected.
Go to your echochamber, with your survivor buddies and tell each other how smart you guys are.
This is like playing chess with a pidgeon.???? I just said I enjoy this, I think you're completely wrong and delusional but I am looking to have a genuine argument.
Speaking of echo chambers, you've been unironically implying that survivors are still overpowered, that is not true. The weaker killers are underpowered and some maps have been poorly designed, this does not make survivors OP.
You still havent told me how instasaw is balanced or fair....and he won't, because he can't.
Is there anything else you can contribute to this?
This is just a sad attempt to provoke and harass.
If you can't bring more to the table, feel free to just be quiet.It's not harassment nor provocation. Stop playing the victim card and practice what you preach. All you have done here is derail a thread because you think instasaw nerf would make Billy less viable, which is complete nonsense and wroooooong.
You are specifically targeting me with no real context of your posts… that is pretty much teh definition of harassment. So better hold your horses.
You call me biased, but you are even worse than me.Stop replying to me then. Stop speaking about me without quoting or @'ing me. Stop being passive aggressive and then playing victim.
Now, why is instasaw fair/balanced? Try if you can, to add to the conversation instead of bringing up survivors or memes or whatever else -.-
Hold my horses.. please.
I actually already try to ignore you, but YOU are @'ing me all the time and directly ask questions to me!
I have no interest in talking to you, but you press me to defend myself with constant personal attacks.
Your opinion is written in stone anyway, that's why I do try to avoid debating with you.
I am only answering every now and than, so that your nonsenses doesn't stand there unopposed, like it is true or a fact (which 99% of your talk is not).You quoted me with that dwight meme...who started this? Hmm?
Try again or stop talking to me. Or, behave like an adult and lets get back to the topic...
What makes the instasaw balanced and or fair?
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@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:Relax he is just brainless freddy main.He is biased ignore him
I know but I enjoy this.
Ok, now we are getting honest here.
You don't want a reasonable debate, you just want to troll for your enjoyment.
Just what I expected.
Go to your echochamber, with your survivor buddies and tell each other how smart you guys are.
This is like playing chess with a pidgeon.???? I just said I enjoy this, I think you're completely wrong and delusional but I am looking to have a genuine argument.
Speaking of echo chambers, you've been unironically implying that survivors are still overpowered, that is not true. The weaker killers are underpowered and some maps have been poorly designed, this does not make survivors OP.
You still havent told me how instasaw is balanced or fair....and he won't, because he can't.
Is there anything else you can contribute to this?
This is just a sad attempt to provoke and harass.
If you can't bring more to the table, feel free to just be quiet.It's not harassment nor provocation. Stop playing the victim card and practice what you preach. All you have done here is derail a thread because you think instasaw nerf would make Billy less viable, which is complete nonsense and wroooooong.
You are specifically targeting me with no real context of your posts… that is pretty much teh definition of harassment. So better hold your horses.
You call me biased, but you are even worse than me.Stop replying to me then. Stop speaking about me without quoting or @'ing me. Stop being passive aggressive and then playing victim.
Now, why is instasaw fair/balanced? Try if you can, to add to the conversation instead of bringing up survivors or memes or whatever else -.-
Hold my horses.. please.
I actually already try to ignore you, but YOU are @'ing me all the time and directly ask questions to me!
I have no interest in talking to you, but you press me to defend myself with constant personal attacks.
Your opinion is written in stone anyway, that's why I do try to avoid debating with you.
I am only answering every now and than, so that your nonsenses doesn't stand there unopposed, like it is true or a fact (which 99% of your talk is not).Are you serious? I've seen you in several threads, all you do is pull out your memes and calling people survivor mains, even if they state they are killer mains -it doesn't matter to you, you'll call anyone a survivor main as long as they don't share your views. When someone calls you out, like here, you play the victim card. I hope the mods can see you for what you are.
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@skvirl said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:Relax he is just brainless freddy main.He is biased ignore him
I know but I enjoy this.
Ok, now we are getting honest here.
You don't want a reasonable debate, you just want to troll for your enjoyment.
Just what I expected.
Go to your echochamber, with your survivor buddies and tell each other how smart you guys are.
This is like playing chess with a pidgeon.???? I just said I enjoy this, I think you're completely wrong and delusional but I am looking to have a genuine argument.
Speaking of echo chambers, you've been unironically implying that survivors are still overpowered, that is not true. The weaker killers are underpowered and some maps have been poorly designed, this does not make survivors OP.
You still havent told me how instasaw is balanced or fair....and he won't, because he can't.
Is there anything else you can contribute to this?
This is just a sad attempt to provoke and harass.
If you can't bring more to the table, feel free to just be quiet.It's not harassment nor provocation. Stop playing the victim card and practice what you preach. All you have done here is derail a thread because you think instasaw nerf would make Billy less viable, which is complete nonsense and wroooooong.
You are specifically targeting me with no real context of your posts… that is pretty much teh definition of harassment. So better hold your horses.
You call me biased, but you are even worse than me.Stop replying to me then. Stop speaking about me without quoting or @'ing me. Stop being passive aggressive and then playing victim.
Now, why is instasaw fair/balanced? Try if you can, to add to the conversation instead of bringing up survivors or memes or whatever else -.-
Hold my horses.. please.
I actually already try to ignore you, but YOU are @'ing me all the time and directly ask questions to me!
I have no interest in talking to you, but you press me to defend myself with constant personal attacks.
Your opinion is written in stone anyway, that's why I do try to avoid debating with you.
I am only answering every now and than, so that your nonsenses doesn't stand there unopposed, like it is true or a fact (which 99% of your talk is not).Are you serious? I've seen you in several threads, all you do is pull out your memes and calling people survivor mains, even if they state they are killer mains -it doesn't matter to you, you'll call anyone a survivor main as long as they don't share your views. When someone calls you out, like here, you play the victim card. I hope the mods can see you for what you are.
If someone is constantly asking for killer nerfs, but at the same time is claiming to be a killer main… sorry, but that is way to obvious.
I know, people don't like getting caught lying, but it is what it is.
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@Wolf74 Stop derailing. You're pathetic.
How is instasaw fair/balanced?
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@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 Stop derailing. You're pathetic.How is instasaw fair/balanced?
Please quote me correctly.
I never said that.0 -
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 Stop derailing. You're pathetic.How is instasaw fair/balanced?
Please quote me correctly.
I never said that.I didn't quote you, I @'d you. Why would I quote that meme and take up more space than required.
Please stay on topic.
How is the instasaw fair/balanced?
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muh survivors don't like balance but I'm not going to discuss how things are balanced...
Pretty much this forum in a nutshell.
Also the whole, killers aren't really killers because they agree that certain things need nerfed, argument is completely asinine.
Thats like survivors asking for nerfs on their own side. I guess they're not really survivors then. ######### lol.4 -
@Wolf74 said:
@skvirl said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
@FujinRaijin said:
@Wolf74 said:
@FujinRaijin said:Relax he is just brainless freddy main.He is biased ignore him
I know but I enjoy this.
Ok, now we are getting honest here.
You don't want a reasonable debate, you just want to troll for your enjoyment.
Just what I expected.
Go to your echochamber, with your survivor buddies and tell each other how smart you guys are.
This is like playing chess with a pidgeon.???? I just said I enjoy this, I think you're completely wrong and delusional but I am looking to have a genuine argument.
Speaking of echo chambers, you've been unironically implying that survivors are still overpowered, that is not true. The weaker killers are underpowered and some maps have been poorly designed, this does not make survivors OP.
You still havent told me how instasaw is balanced or fair....and he won't, because he can't.
Is there anything else you can contribute to this?
This is just a sad attempt to provoke and harass.
If you can't bring more to the table, feel free to just be quiet.It's not harassment nor provocation. Stop playing the victim card and practice what you preach. All you have done here is derail a thread because you think instasaw nerf would make Billy less viable, which is complete nonsense and wroooooong.
You are specifically targeting me with no real context of your posts… that is pretty much teh definition of harassment. So better hold your horses.
You call me biased, but you are even worse than me.Stop replying to me then. Stop speaking about me without quoting or @'ing me. Stop being passive aggressive and then playing victim.
Now, why is instasaw fair/balanced? Try if you can, to add to the conversation instead of bringing up survivors or memes or whatever else -.-
Hold my horses.. please.
I actually already try to ignore you, but YOU are @'ing me all the time and directly ask questions to me!
I have no interest in talking to you, but you press me to defend myself with constant personal attacks.
Your opinion is written in stone anyway, that's why I do try to avoid debating with you.
I am only answering every now and than, so that your nonsenses doesn't stand there unopposed, like it is true or a fact (which 99% of your talk is not).Are you serious? I've seen you in several threads, all you do is pull out your memes and calling people survivor mains, even if they state they are killer mains -it doesn't matter to you, you'll call anyone a survivor main as long as they don't share your views. When someone calls you out, like here, you play the victim card. I hope the mods can see you for what you are.
If someone is constantly asking for killer nerfs, but at the same time is claiming to be a killer main… sorry, but that is way to obvious.
I know, people don't like getting caught lying, but it is what it is.Yeah you really proved everything there (sarcasm btw). "He disagrees with me, so he must be a survivor main". Just, stop. It's enough now. I'm so tired of people derailing threads because they don't understand that yes, it IS possible to be a killer main and not moan about EVERYTHING all the time. There are plenty of good killers who thinks instasaw is ridiculous, believe it or not. People have told you this in this very thread. Yet you refuse to listen, and instead claim OTHER people's opinions are set in stone. Seriously, do you not see how you come across at all?
Oh, and I happen to know biggs is a killer main, and that he plays Billy a lot. I mostly play survivor, and have faced him many times (he usually kicks my butt). Guess that doesn't matter though, as you seem to have made up your mind. I don't really care. I just felt the need to tell you how silly you sound when you tell other people they're not contributing to the thread, yet here you are, throwing memes around. Good job.
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@Mc_Harty said:
muh survivors don't like balance but I'm not going to discuss how things are balanced...Pretty much this forum in a nutshell.
Also the whole, killers aren't really killers because they agree that certain things need nerfed, argument is completely asinine.
Thats like survivors asking for nerfs on their own side. I guess they're not really survivors then. [BAD WORD] lol.
Exactly. I couldn't possibly play both roles (majority killer) and want things better for both sides ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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"I know him… that's why I am here to support him, no matter what…"
Did he call you for support? "Avenger assemble!"?^^
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Why do people keep posting that stupid "meme."
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@Wolf74 said:
"I know him… that's why I am here to support him, no matter what…"
Did he call you for support? "Avenger assemble!"?^^
Sometimes an echochamber needs a call to arms.I think you might need to remove your tin foil hat now XD
I don't need to "support" him, I'm reading your comment, then saw you were wrong, and decided to tell you this. Also what's with the "no matter what"? Where do you come up with this? Contrary to many people on this forum, I don't blindly support someone because of who they are, but for what they say and do. In this instance, he is right and you are wrong. He is not a survivor main. What is your problem?
Also, why won't you answer people's question about how you think instasaw is fair/balanced? You stated your opinion about it, but then refuse to elaborate to further discuss the topic..
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@ReneAensland said:
@Wolf74 said:
@only1biggs said:
Billy main here...Instasaw needs to be nerfed hard.Why do people keep posting that stupid "meme."
Because some don't know how to accept that killers want certain items to be fair and fun to go against.
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Because it fits.
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This conversation has become more of a fight about personal preferences towards other people. Maybe that stuff should be kept out of the thread and in pms? It's not doing any good to poke at each other and trying to get a rise out of them, especially while hiding behind thread content. This pissing contest isn't going to go anywhere good. Let's return to discussing instasaws without 'memes' or bm
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I find instasaws rather fun to play against, they add variety and generally keep me on my toes.0
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That and the over-used unoriginal "git gud" doctor one, I swear I literally can't laugh at it anymore because everyone has abused the hell out of it. I've gotta create new memes for this community for the love of Fog.ReneAensland said:Why do people keep posting that stupid "meme."
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@FoggyDownpour said:
This conversation has become more of a fight about personal preferences towards other people. Maybe that stuff should be kept out of the thread and in pms? It's not doing any good to poke at each other and trying to get a rise out of them, especially while hiding behind thread content. This pissing contest isn't going to go anywhere good. Let's return to discussing instasaws without 'memes' or bmit's ok to call out people for clarification and keeping on topic. it shows how some posters think and i think that's good bc you will have more meaningful presence on the forum instead of one that always has to use bm or memes.
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i think instasaws should be looked at but i don't know how it would change and what suggestions people could have to make it more fair. would ultra rare make it more fair?
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