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Dead By Daylight: Diversity 2021

I have compiled a list of killers and survivors from multiple different backgrounds to help indicate what needs more representation to whom.


A Map of Nationalities


A List of Heritage

Looking back, isn't DBD one of the MOST diverse games out there?


Personally in the future, I would love to see more Hispanic/Latin Americans and other Asians.

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  • ThePolice
    ThePolice Member Posts: 801

    I’m pretty sure nurse is English, no?

  • IWasLeft2Die
    IWasLeft2Die Member Posts: 2,405

    Id assume Meg and Kate have at least some Irish in them

  • Mooks
    Mooks Member Posts: 14,841

    She worked in the asylum in the USA. It’s the same burned down building Nea went missing and Nea was living in the USA at that time.

  • IWasLeft2Die
    IWasLeft2Die Member Posts: 2,405
    edited May 2021

    If you wanted, you could probably figure out the heritage of a lot of these people based on their last name origin.

    For example, Fredrick Kruger would be Saxon since Kruger is a very Saxon based name.

    Michael myers with myers being a very European last name (found in Dutch, English, or German but all connected to Anglo-saxon)


    Clown is Jeffrey Hawk with Hawk being a British based name.

    Etc etc

  • Mooks
    Mooks Member Posts: 14,841

    Jeffrey Hawk is not his real name, he used it later to not be found.

    his real name is Kenneth Chase, though, so your point still stands :)

  • IWasLeft2Die
    IWasLeft2Die Member Posts: 2,405

    Ohh oops. Good catch. My bad.

    But yeah OP if you wanted to complete this more you could check into last names place of origin.


    Thanks for putting this together either way

  • Boss
    Boss Member Posts: 13,616

    European*

    Can't wait for a Killer with an Aussie accent!

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,909

    I'll be real, the people I remember having an Australian accent are Crocodile Dundee and Steve Irwin (whom I loved as a child, I was a Crocodile Hunter superfan at 3 years old lmao)

  • Voodoo_Thirsty
    Voodoo_Thirsty Member Posts: 522

    Gosh, my bad.

    I was like half asleep when I was making this :P

  • SirCracken
    SirCracken Member Posts: 1,414

    I can see that you put a lot of effort into this map. But it's extremely arbitrary. What does it matter where a character comes from if their design is interesting?

  • IWasLeft2Die
    IWasLeft2Die Member Posts: 2,405
  • DoritoHead
    DoritoHead Member Posts: 3,546

    Thanks for making this.

    As someone with a ton of Greek heritage, I think it'd be cool to see a killer or survivor from there. But characters from Africa or India would also be cool as they aren't very well represented either.

  • SMitchell8
    SMitchell8 Member Posts: 3,302

    Poor Australians lol. A crocodile hunter themed killer wouldn't be so bad tbf.

  • Adeloo
    Adeloo Member Posts: 1,448

    I wouldn't mind seeing a older woman (same age as Ace) from India as a badass survivor honestly !

  • SirCracken
    SirCracken Member Posts: 1,414

    @Voodoo_Thirsty (Your comment was deleted for some reason so correct me if I misinterpreted something)

    This notion that representation of real life people in fictional media matters in any way is, to put it bluntly, nonsense. The quality of any artistic work will never be dependant on what characters are included in it, unless perhaps to people that have an unusual interest in race.

    It doesn't matter if every single character is from the same country. Non-existent or otherwise. Their design and how it's interwoven into the rest of the game is the only thing that matters.

    I understand if this response seems harsh and unprovoked. But I've come across this line of thinking quite a few times on the forums and I feel a need to dispel it as it's a very narrow and crude way of looking at the media you consume: "It's good. But It'd be better if it had more of X race because there's too much of Y race".

    Do not bother judging things by their ethnic background. Focus on it the ideas it presents and the execution of those ideas.

  • Hoodied
    Hoodied Member Posts: 13,022
  • QwQw
    QwQw Member Posts: 4,531

    I like how you just shoved Demo and Pyramid Head in the ocean because you didn't know where they were from.

  • IWasLeft2Die
    IWasLeft2Die Member Posts: 2,405
    edited May 2021

    It would probably be safe to put Legion with them (in the heritage section) since each member certainly doesn't have the same heritage lol

  • MadLordJack
    MadLordJack Member Posts: 8,814
    edited May 2021

    It would be funny if they bypassed Aussie entirely and went for somewhere a little smaller...

    Or included an Aboriginal Australian survivor.

  • Blueberry
    Blueberry Member Posts: 13,671
    edited May 2021

    I get people wanting variety but I honestly find the entire concept of looking at people so intensely through their nationality very strange.

    Like I don't go into some japanese anime game and think to myself, "you know what this game needs? More European people!" or whatever nationality you want to throw in there.

    If it's an asian game I'm typically just expecting it to have asian characters, that isn't surprising to me nor would I call that an issue that needs resolving. That would be like taking issue with them being asian because you're not asian. See why it's weird to think that way?

    I guess I just focus more on the individual as a person(not where they're from) which is why I find this concept weird. I like new and unique characters because they are in fact unique, not because they fill quotas.

  • Voodoo_Thirsty
    Voodoo_Thirsty Member Posts: 522

    No offense taken. :)

    Your opinion is as good as mine.


    I'm more on the side of showing more appreciation for more diverse culture.

    Though I also agree with preventing forced inclusiveness.

  • Blueberry
    Blueberry Member Posts: 13,671
    edited May 2021

    "I mean for most shows/games they are taking place somewhere specific and it actually makes sense that for example in Japan there are mostly Japanese people.

    but for Dead by Daylight, it just makes sense to have people from all over the place, as they are getting brought from their world to the Entity’s realm."

    That makes sense. I guess my point is that it's not being brought up from a place of "this game is technically located everywhere" and instead it's brought up in the sense of forced diversity quotas which feels discriminatory. I wouldn't want to be judged by my nationality but by the content of my character.

    "also, diversity doesn’t hurt anyone. But it can make people feel acknowledged/included when they don’t feel that way generally."

    Well for example let's say you had a cool concept for a samurai killer but oh wait, inclusivity, so you we make the samurai whatever other ethnicity. You just took that other persons position and gave it to another for the sake of their nationality, aka discrimination. Obviously these aren't real people but this is more a comment to "diversity doesn't hurt anyone", it can. I find "acknowledged/included" a very weird concept. In my previous example of an asian game I don't feel excluded because it's just asian characters, it's an asian made game, that just makes sense to me and is expected, it's logical. Why do people need to feel "acknowledged"? It's a game lol.

    In other words I like the idea of unique characters from all over the world that get brought in because they have unique and cool stories that need to be included. What I don't like is forced quotas that look to put characters in because they fill the check mark next to that nationality etc. So I agree with the end result, it's the thought process and means to getting there I take issue with.

  • KingFrost
    KingFrost Member Posts: 3,014

    DBD is pretty diverse. Take out the licensed characters, take out the killers, and it's a pretty good mix of characters. Though we do need some more hispanic characters. You won't see many games with even this level of diversity.

  • Mooks
    Mooks Member Posts: 14,841

    yeah, that’s alright but.. this forced diversity does not happen in Dead by Daylight?

    i agree forced diversity and inclusiveness is wrong and shouldn’t be in any media without context etc. But in DbD and especially with the devs we know they do it in a great way and because they actually want to do it.


    there is no reason to assume they do it for the wrong reasons. We got a Kpop star that is Korean even though they already had ticked of the Korean department with Jake. We got Yui and Oni even though we already had Spirit as a ‚token’ Japanese character. They are not going after a checklist and creating token characters is what I am trying to say, they are creating the Chars they want to create and the storys the want to tell.

  • Blueberry
    Blueberry Member Posts: 13,671

    I'm not necessarily implying the devs per say, but the aforementioned thought process was the rational I was getting from OP's use of words.

  • FondaDix
    FondaDix Member Posts: 173

    I've always been curious about where The Trapper is actually from. They gave him a Skin that's a reference to My Bloody Valentine which is a old Horror film from the late 70's that's set in a small mining town in Nova Scotia. Kinda wonder if the Macmillan estate is in NS, would kind of be nice to have a stage that encorperates beaches and maybe a lighthouse.

  • swager21
    swager21 Member Posts: 1,019

    her backstory isnt so clear and it says anglo-american on the wiki so its hard to tell

  • Phasmamain
    Phasmamain Member Posts: 11,534

    If I’m not mistaken isn’t Jeff originally Canadian? He has Norwegian roots but it never says how far back

  • Deviri
    Deviri Member Posts: 29

    Zooming in here!

    The Spirit and the Oni are Japanese, and Yun-Jin and the Trickster are Korean.

    Not sure how old your graphic is and I didn't see a post about it yet, but I thought I'd drop a line about it just in case!

  • gibblywibblywoo
    gibblywibblywoo Member Posts: 3,772

    You could probably put Pyramid Head in MAine, US. There's a lot of implications throughout SH2 and the entire series that he DID physically exist in some form outside of SH2. Be that in the otherworld or the real world.

  • ProfoundEnding
    ProfoundEnding Member Posts: 2,334
    edited May 2021

    The devs are diverse except when it comes to the ages of female characters. Before Jane we didn't have any female that was older then her 20s. And even Jane is only in her 30s. Can we please get an old lady survivor BHVR?

    Also side note, not every new survivor has to be attractive either.

  • VolantConch1719
    VolantConch1719 Member Posts: 1,248

    I came in expecting a complaint post about how diversity ruins games, because that's just how these forums are. Instead, I got a pretty cool chart and map of where the characters are from. I don't necessarily agree with some of the choices made, like licensed characters shouldn't be included in looking at diversity because the devs can't do anything about that, Jane, while definitely of latin descent, is American (her lore puts her father's house in New Jersey and her archive makes a big deal about her wanting to just be considered American), and Jamaica isn't part of Africa, so Adam should be put in a Caribbean section if you're going to do that. But other than some of these small nitpicks (and other things you might have forgotten such as Elodie's parents being from Madagascar), this was well done.

    First paragraph of Trapper's archive firmly roots him in Seattle, Washington.

  • Johnny_XMan
    Johnny_XMan Member Posts: 6,432
    edited May 2021

    Very well put together OP. This is one of the reasons that drew me to DBD initially, is seeing how much representation there is culturally. It gives the game a specific flavor that no other game has. Specifically when you talk about killers and start to wonder and ask “where do they come from??”. It’s just a cool element.

    Personally I’d love to see more Latin American cultures in this game. There are a lot of specific folklore and legends of character within the horror genre that would be cool to see.


  • ItzZane_
    ItzZane_ Member Posts: 965

    Overwatch is WAY more diverse, There are only 4 american characters



    Plus shouldn't zarina be in lebanon? if we're talking about where they are from zarina should be in lebanon but where they live? yeah she's in america obviously

  • Mooks
    Mooks Member Posts: 14,841

    I guess the world map shows where they live and the other picture shows heritage (there Zarina is listed as Lebanese)

  • ItzZane_
    ItzZane_ Member Posts: 965

    I don't think so, Because adam should've been in japan since he lived there BEFORE taken by the entity

    Same with wraith he went to america before taken by the entity

  • ProfoundEnding
    ProfoundEnding Member Posts: 2,334

    Wasn't Adam just visiting though. Like it wasn't his permanent place of residence. He was just residing there for work.

  • Friendly_Blendette
    Friendly_Blendette Member Posts: 2,923

    Slinger Irish? I thought he was american. Like he has Irish heritage but isn't really Irish imo. I am still holding out for a bean sí(banshee) as an actual Irish killer.

  • smart212
    smart212 Member Posts: 136

    new survivor or killers from South East Asian, since many player of DBD mostly from Thai , Indonesia and Vietnam , Malaysia, Phillipines.

  • Mooks
    Mooks Member Posts: 14,841

    Oh yeah you are right.. hmm info seems to be there in both pictures but not consistently portrayed then..


    Pretty sure Adam moved there and wanted to start a new life? Could be wrong though.

    but for Wraith he definitely lived in North America and not Africa anymore