few pallets + nerf structures + harvester tech gone + deadzones in the new map coldwind farm...

let's not forget that they've brought back bodyblockable basement stairs again...

It’s definitely a stronger map than before,its a very big map and the gens are spread across. When i play on this map i know theres 80% chances ill do only one kill,gens fly on this map

Lets talk about the game right?

its still possible to walk over it, but i think you need to be a 115 speed killer for it (i couldnt do it with spirit but i did it with wraith)

"the infinites are nerfed lol just look that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSAbddZYtmU&ab_channel=Cru5h ,"

They are still there. You are forced to destroy the breakable walls to remove them.

"about the 8 pallets in 2 min im talking the point of view of me playing how killer :) and when im solo queue randoms wasted it so fast so what strong are you talking about?"

You don't call loops or pallets weak because you have teammates that play bad, that doesn't make sense.

"if there isnt pallets + nerfed structures + nerfed infinites + removed harvester tech + windows nerfed on rancid abattoir + infinite nerfed (you can hit now across the railing.... this is not strong anymore"

There are plenty of pallets, the structures aren't really nerfed, there are still infinites, and you can actually fast vault the side window of harvester now (aka buff for good survivors). This isn't multiple nerfed things about the map, you're just misconstruing the changes.

"brutal strength is mediocre? "

Yes Brutal Strength is mediocre, the math has been done on the time it's actually saving you.

"damn boy there isnt perks mediocres at the final in this game everyone can use what they want and its legal.""

I can't tell what you're trying to say here with the jumbled grammar and sentence structure.

The corn maps are still extremely strong and were busted maps before the rework. There's a reason all the SWF groups sent you here if they didn't have a Haddonfield offering. They needed significant toning down.

You're looking too much into those stats, they are flawed for a multitude of reasons that are completely unrelated to balance. Dcs, killing themselves on hook, NOED, getting 1 hook all game and then they just swarm the hook trying to save that guy and it turns into a 4k, etc etc.

There are many, many things in the game that artificial skew the kill rate higher that are entirely unrelated to balance whatsoever. This is also why the devs specifically said not to make any interpretations about balance when looking at the stats.

If you think the game is killer sided you are in the extreme minority. The vast majority of the high rank/high hour community all agrees the game is survivor sided and quite significantly.

Hello, everyone. As expected, I will share my opinion here:

For all of you here saying wonderful things about the new Coldwind rework, "super strong loops", "not nerfed at all" and that sort of stuff... I assume you're main killers, right? Because there's no way a main survivor or someone who plays both sides would agree that nonsense argument. Just to make it clear, I'm the second tipe of person who plays both sides, as survivor and killer.

The obvious reduction of pallets? The machine (harvester-tech) nerfed? The dead zones (which are "covered" with useless huge objects as boxes or hay blocks) around the map? There's no need to have 7000+ hours to understand such a simple situation that happened here: the rework of Coldwind map is absolutely a pro-killer one right now. If you want to accept it or not, is your choice. But you can't change the evident fact that it is.

I've been telling it from a time ago: The main (and worrying) problem of Dead by Daylight and its toxicity is lack of empathy. And the comments here are the living proof of that.

Really easy to say "If you waste 8 pallets in 2 minutes, then you're such a bad player"... With the corresponding respect, THERE'RE 4 SURVIVORS playing the game, you can't be so selfish as main killer. If I play alone and some of the randoms throw pallets as there's no tomorrow, why would it be my fault? Is it really my fault that my teammates are as bad as a rotten potato?

If your answer is "yes", then there's no discussion to keep going on. Hope you can change your mentality soon and realize it's not everybody's fault. Playing without friends has turned into something impossible right now, and it's a pity for those good players.

Beauty aapart (which it really may be, personally too bright and sunny for me), Coldwind rework is a shame for survivors, a complete disappointment. Hope Behaviour can reconsider it and fix the disguisting loops, pallets and structures they designed.

I'll keep forward this post. Have a nice day!

Would you mind explain me how's that "I lied and misunderstood basically (as you expressed) the whole game"?

Perhaps we're talking about a completly different game then, because I'm here playing and talking about Dead by Daylight. Oh, maybe I posted on the wrong forum... Let me check.

Hmm... Nope, this is it.

How's that you're so locked up in your own perspective that you can't consider other ones? That mayble I'm right too?

"Would you mind explain me how's that "I lied and misunderstood basically (as you expressed) the whole game"?"

First don't put quotes around something I didn't say. A quote is a quote, not an interpretation.

"Perhaps we're talking about a completly different game then, because I'm here playing and talking about Dead by Daylight. Oh, maybe I posted on the wrong forum... Let me check.

Hmm... Nope, this is it."

Sarcastic insults won't move your conversation forward at all, but making points with critical thinking will.

"How's that you're so locked up in your own perspective that you can't consider other ones? That mayble I'm right too?"

I did consider your points, they were bad.

"I assume you're main killers, right? Because there's no way a main survivor or someone who plays both sides would agree that nonsense argument. Just to make it clear, I'm the second tipe of person who plays both sides, as survivor and killer."

Calling someone a killer main because you disagree with them is already starting a conversation by name calling and doesn't show an actual eagerness for a rational conversation. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make then a whatever main. They may simply have a better balanced perspective.

"The obvious reduction of pallets? The machine (harvester-tech) nerfed? The dead zones (which are "covered" with useless huge objects as boxes or hay blocks) around the map? There's no need to have 7000+ hours to understand such a simple situation that happened here: the rework of Coldwind map is absolutely a pro-killer one right now. If you want to accept it or not, is your choice. But you can't change the evident fact that it is."

The map is still quite survivor sided. There are still way more than enough pallets, the harvester "nerf" is a bit of a stretch as it also got buffed since you can fast vault it now, and yes there are some dead zones as many maps already have, you are expected to play around that factor. The rework is not a "pro-killer" change, it's a pro-balanced design change. It was busted for survivors before hence why SWF always sent you there. As I mentioned before, it's still survivor sided.

"I've been telling it from a time ago: The main (and worrying) problem of Dead by Daylight and its toxicity is lack of empathy. And the comments here are the living proof of that."

People disagreeing with you isn't lack of empathy. Calling it that is just showing your ego with the inability to understand you could be wrong and choosing to name call them instead.

"Really easy to say "If you waste 8 pallets in 2 minutes, then you're such a bad player"... With the corresponding respect, THERE'RE 4 SURVIVORS playing the game, you can't be so selfish as main killer. If I play alone and some of the randoms throw pallets as there's no tomorrow, why would it be my fault? Is it really my fault that my teammates are as bad as a rotten potato?"

That is not selfish, that is understanding the balance of the game. It's a 1v4, not a 1v1. You are a team, not a solo. If the game was balanced around 1v1 how you are implying it would be busted. The game is balanced around your team doing things like that. It is your teams fault, not your fault. Selfish is ignoring the team aspect and wanting the game balanced around you.

"If your answer is "yes", then there's no discussion to keep going on. Hope you can change your mentality soon and realize it's not everybody's fault. Playing without friends has turned into something impossible right now, and it's a pity for those good players."

Impossible without friends? Really?

I play solo queue at rank 1 95% of the time and we 3-4 escape at least 75% of my matches. If you find it that impossible it is a you issue, not a balance issue.

Even where there aren't pallets, there's usually a lot of LoS blockers.

I've played on the Coldwind maps multiple times as both Survivor and Killer and I've not noticed any real lack of pallets.

Unless you run to a corner of the map.

Also, almost all, if not all of the pallets on those maps are very good. Higher quality = less quantity.