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Should all perks and killers be A tier

piggygooik
piggygooik Member Posts: 576

I feel like they should be. If all killers were A-tier it would make rank 1 ( and comp) feel fresh. you wouldn't see BT or spirit every game. The only killer that really needs a nerf is spirit and that's with her lack of counterplay.

Imagine seeing trickster in comp. I really do hope they buff weak killers and weak perks.

Comments

  • IWasLeft2Die
    IWasLeft2Die Member Posts: 2,405

    I made a poll on the poll section and it seems like most people want killers to be A tier but would want some nerfs to survivors in general (although small tweaks) and nerf s tier killers

  • TAG
    TAG Member Posts: 12,874

    In an ideal world, yes. But that is not really a pratical goal IMO. Just gotta strive for the best balance possible.

  • Guest1567432
    Guest1567432 Member Posts: 728

    Would be nice but unfortunately skewed stats exist.

  • piggygooik
    piggygooik Member Posts: 576

    you do have a good point there

    I think A tier list in general is based on biases

    i at least just want all the killer to be at least good

  • Aven_Fallen
    Aven_Fallen Member Posts: 18,005

    It will never happen that all Killers will have similar Strength. Like, you cannot buff Trickster to a point that he can compete with Nurse and Spirit, unless you make him unbearable to go against. Sure, you can buff him that he needs two knives for one Health State, this would make him A or even S-Tier, but nobody would want to play against him.

    Like, it is impossible that Killers get on the same Level like that one Killer which ignores Windows and Pallets (Nurse). Realistically, DBD can never be fully balanced.

  • MadLordJack
    MadLordJack Member Posts: 8,814

    Sort of, but the gens need a rework to be interactive in order to disable genrushing or else everyone will just start doing that, because that's what beats A tier killers.

  • scenekiller
    scenekiller Member Posts: 890

    There's really no such thing as "A tier" across the board

    There are killers that are more accessible and ones who are less so, killers with basic powers and ones with more complex powers.

    Someone might find Spirit to be OP while someone else might have the easiest time countering her.

    It's all relative, it's all subjective, and each person is always going to have a different perspective.

  • piggygooik
    piggygooik Member Posts: 576

    i don't really think gens are the problem it's just maps in general and how big they are

  • piggygooik
    piggygooik Member Posts: 576

    your right what im trying to say I want all killers and perks to be good like as good as BT or for killer as good as demo at least

  • NekoTorvic
    NekoTorvic Member Posts: 850

    It depends on what you mean by A tier, especially with regards to perks.

    All killers should provide their players the tools to compete against survivors of equal skill.

    Perks should be medium to high in power but very, very, very few perks should be safeguards. Perks should reward players for playing well or making a significant investment.

    Things like NOED, Sprint Burst, Dead Hard, new Lucky Break, Spirit Fury, DS, Unbreakable... all those perks are either safeguards for mess-ups or they reward you for failing. These kinds of perks should be the least impactful, however they are extremely powerful, which is baffling to me.

  • MadLordJack
    MadLordJack Member Posts: 8,814

    A comp SWF team on Coal Tower with a pallet-stingy variation is almost unbeatable.

    It's not the size of the maps that's the problem when teams get efficient. It's the fact that without perks or items the gens can and will be done in under 3 minutes. Which, while not an absolutely enormous problem right now (although it is a big problem), it will become the biggest issue with the game if every killer was like Oni, Huntress or Plague.

  • Yamaoka
    Yamaoka Member Posts: 4,321

    A killer's overall power-level should always correlate with the killer's skill ceiling and the difficulty of the killer's counterplay.

  • CaulDrohn
    CaulDrohn Member Posts: 1,596

    There is only one way to make all killers the same strength: Remove all except one or give all the exact same power.

    You just cannot balance out 22 different powers perfectly, thats illusional. There will allways be better and worse killers. Even more so with perks.

  • supersonic853
    supersonic853 Member Posts: 5,839
    edited May 2021

    Couldn't you go the opposite way though? Make nurse/spirit as weak as say trickster and balance the gens and survivors accordingly? (Aka no more god loops, infinites, god pallets, smaller maps so gens aren't going in like 3 minutes. Ect.

    "And when everyones weak....noone will be"-said someone (probably)

  • oxygen
    oxygen Member Posts: 3,385

    That's not really how tier lists work at all. You can make it so there's less of a difference between S and F or whatever, but eventually you'll run into fundemental problems like "how do we make placing beartraps as strong as teleporting through walls?" and similar issues for perks.

    I'd love to see the difference in strength between S and F be made smaller for both killers and perks, but you can only go so far with this before creating entirely new problems like trying to buff a perk with an effect that is only okay because it's very situational but can be very powerful when it actually works instead of redesigning it.

  • Aven_Fallen
    Aven_Fallen Member Posts: 18,005

    I mean, in theory, this would be possible. But there are some problems:

    First of all, players will not like that their favorite Killers get nerfed - even if it would be for a greater good and the game would be balanced towards low Tier Killer-Characters.

    Second, for some Killers you would need to do a lot to water them down. Especially the strong Killers like Nurse, Spirit, Blight, Oni, PH... Some would probably be changed completely.

    And, last but not least, this would result in stuff like longer Cooldowns for Killers or less impactful powers (e.g. Hillbilly would lose a lot of his mobility, since sprinting with 230% m/s would not be suitable for the new Powerlevel), which will most likely overall suck the fun out of many Killers.

  • Squirrel_Thicc
    Squirrel_Thicc Member Posts: 2,677

    "A tier" is a very subjective term

  • BlueFang
    BlueFang Member Posts: 1,379

    Leave my Trapper alone you Hobo pfp monster! jk But also seriously no

    Now It does sounds nice on paper if everyone is equal, but realistically that's not only impossible but would be completely boring. Everyone would just be a side-grade or variation of the same top 3 or 5. There has to be killers that fulfill a specific niche and power and that does mean they are weaker in some situations but that also goes for being stronger in other situations.

  • DerpyPlayz
    DerpyPlayz Member Posts: 583

    Everything should me viable, if everything was A tier, then you are talking about a balanced game.