Um is this a exploit or Intentional (PH)
I was in a game against PH and they put down the wire and kept picking us up and dropping us to make us get the status effect. The status effect is supposed to make people not want to go through the barbed wire by punishing them, but what's the point in avoiding it now if the killer can make you get the effect
like is this supposed to be a thing or is this an exploit or something like that?
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Not really an exploit, killer doing this is just wasting time.
What I ve seen on the video is just someone doing his daily "put X survivors in the cage" and since your team was doing good evading trails and not getting tormented, he resorted to this.
Again its not an exploit because you were already downed and picked up, he could have hooked you several times in that scenario, but he wasted a ton of time instead.
Doing a daily cages is what makes the most sense for me in this case
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No it isn't ,it is intentional feature when you drop a survivor ,survivor will get more struggle in bar and they get 5 seconds stun you can easily find a loop in that time
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IDK if they changed it but putting people in cages disables hook perks like DS from working making it easier to tunnel, I don't run DS but it's still annoying to have hook-related perks not work by (In my Opinion) Flawed killer design. the cages should be a reward for the killers for putting barbed wire in good spots and a punishment for survivors for stepping on them but this is rewarding killers that don't know how to use their power not only by TPing survivors to cages or straight-up killing them but they also lose their ability to use some perks (DS, We're going to live forever, Well make it, I don't know if BT is still disabled but I know that one point it is so ill add that to the list but don't quote me on that)
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I wonder if holding crouch while getting released does anything.
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Is this a joke...
Wait Sorry I just got what you wrote Nvm plz... the first time I held crouch and still got the effect
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You know that firstly :PH does not see cages he can only see aura when you are uncaged , in that 5 seconds you can easily escape to the another loop,and tunneling isn't bannable,if you want i think when you struggle off him you can crouch so you wont get barbed wire effect,as person above me said he was probably just doing his challange,and thats the point of Pyramid head power negate hook perks
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Well, no. You can crouch to move through the lasagna without getting affected by it. I was wondering if you can do a similar thing like holding crouch when getting unhooked to stop a hag trap from triggering to avoid being tormented.
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I thought you meant like in a chase before I got down but I did find my mistake and my apologies. but yes the first time I got downed I held it and I still got the effect + I was right in front of PH
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I find PH being one of the most balanced killers rn. If you get caged you wont get use of hook related perks but that goes both ways. Remember PH has a very poor synergy with hook perks too and mostly never use them. BBQ, Pop and others are not so good on him. He also cannot see cage auras and cannot camp them anymore. His add ons are a joke, only good ones are range add ons. Overall I find him fun to play against. Also everyone can play scummy even without cages
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Your right but ig I just don't really get why is there a need to avoid the barbed wire if PH could just force you to do use it anyway
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Actually, the only thing wrong with that is that killers sign up for that and like you said avoiding hook perks, but survivors don't know so their perks might not work the whole game limiting the survivors that do have those perks like I wasn't using it but my build for Yun-Jin is we are going to live forever, we'll make it, BT, and Aftercare, if i was using Yun-Jin i would have the most useless perk build in that match
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If he's forcing the de-buff to hit you like this I don't think the PH is looking to win and just wants to get the daily out of the way so they can stop playing PH (which is totally understandable). And there is a reason to avoid it because getting caged or hit with final judgment cuts out a lot of time that the PH isn't doing anything, and you want to waste the killer's time as much as you can. The time saved by caging/killing is small but it adds up. But you shouldn't avoid it no matter what, if your options are to either get downed or make it to a pallet and get tormented, the 2nd option is always going to be the right thing to do (...until he does the epic M2 into M1 mindgame at the pallet and downs you anyway because it's a fun and interactive ability)
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I did this for rituals and the achievement. It's fine. They're wasting alot of time by doing this and even if they're doing it to negate DS later...they kinda just took one by forcing the torment.
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I guess but Just to me I still find it annoying not enough to whine to the devs about it but enough to be like wait are PHs even allowed to do this saying I've never seen one do this and he got a lot of us pretty down killing 3/4 of us so it wasn't a "bad" stat but maybe not the most useful at rank one idk
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I usually do this against hook bombers and for my daily. There is no exploit for this especially considering he wasting time on applying it.
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It's extremely easy for survivors to avoid his trails, his basic counterplay does it for them as a nice little secondary bonus. It doesn't matter how good a PH is, you're not getting an average survivor to become tormented without resorting to these sorts of time-wasting, self-nerfing tactics.
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This has to be an exploit...
"If the killer drops you then you get more wiggle time..." Wiggle progress doesn't matter if the killer can then cage or kill you right after!
What is wrong with this community??
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If the killer does that, he is wasting time A LOT. It would be easier and faster to just hook you. Or just leave you on the ground if there's no hook nearby. If the killer invests so much time to get you tormented (after that you can run away again, btw), he's throwing the game hard just to get you to a cage (or mini-mori you). If anything, thats a really dumb play, but sure no "exploit",
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What do you mean? He could hook that survivor 5 times already while doing that, is caging it that scenario something OP and much worse than hook?
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@CaulDrohn Oh, okay, so if I stand still as the killer for 5 minutes and then all the survivors fall to the ground when I swing my weapon at the air then that's not an exploit either because I wasted A LOT of time...
What is wrong with this community?
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The clip is only 23 seconds long! How could he hook a survivor 5 times over in that span of time??
What is wrong with this community??
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Because the hook was right there. Survivor was already downed and picked up. He would hook him in few seconds but instead dropped him and pick him up again several times. Good exploit tho, hope more killers will start "abusing" it in my games. Killer wasting their time is always welcomed
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Nice straw man.
Of course that would be an exploit / hack, since it's not part of the normal game. Dropping a survivor repeatedly to let them wiggle out is no exploit, but a game mechanic. If they then fall onto a trail, so what? It does not kill you right away, the killer still has to catch you again. Yes then he can cage you, but if he had just hook you he would have been faster. Yes he could kill you with his mini-mori, but again just last-hooking you would be faster. It's just a giant waste of time.
You could argue that letting someone wiggle free only for them to run into a trappers trap would be exploity. But that still would just be wasting time and serve no purpose that you woulnd't have get from the start,
To put it like you did:
What is wrong with your reasoning?
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If survivors hide in lockers all game to deny The Shape any stalk, then he should be allowed to pull them out of the locker, drop them on the ground, and then stalk them??
The Shape's wasting a lot of time by doing this. He just needs to complete his daily for stalking survivors. This must be fair and not an exploit by your logic then.
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It is an exploit because normally a survivor can choose to become tormented or to avoid it by crouching. This exploit bypasses that. The survivors are being punished for something that is out of their control when the normally they wouldn't.
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I think you dont understand it. They get only tormented when you wiggle free, so the killer gets stunned (like ds) and they can run away. A myers could do that, too. They could let you wiggle free and then stalk you. Its just a really dumb strategy.
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Note: I wasn't wiggling He just picked me up and dropped me multiple times
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Absolutely not an exploit.
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Yes i know. I just call it wiggling off bc i dont know what i should say instead.
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I get the point of doing it but it's counterproductive.
And if they happen to have DS, they could just run into a locker anyways, regardless of Torment or not.
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It's not an exploit. I had a PH do this to me the other day and I instantly hit the crouch button when I came off the shoulder and I didn't get the effect so that myn't be worth a try if you want them to at least waste even more time.
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I tried earlier and still got the effect but if another PH does this no harm in trying again ig
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I hit crouch before hitting the floor and it worked for me but I may have been lucky because I've only done it once, but it's worth a shot.
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The problem isn't that you cant use your DS. PH picked me up multiple times so if my DS was active it would activate the problem is that DS only works when you are Hooked not caged so by PH doing this means that you basically lose that perk slot saying that it would never activate since you were caged not hooked. Hiding in a locker won't help that he could drop you put down the wire and do the same thing again its not just DS to its We're going to live forever, Well make it
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Thanks for the advice. if it happens again ill try that
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But Shape has to stalk for a while to gain a tier while Executioner only needs them to touch the ground while standing for a brief second to get the full effect. Imagine if Plague could fully infect a survivor by simply puking on them once while they're slugged or hooked.
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They should change it so that moving while standing will cause torment. Then the survivor will still have the option to stand still when wiggled free and crouch walk away.
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Are you trolling or serious, I cannot tell. All I can say is you putting words in my mouth, constructing stupid scenarios and then claiming I would be fine with it. A shape able to stalk downed ppl is clearly exploiting, since that is NOT MEANT TO WORK. So no, I would NOT be fine with it! It is "not an exploit" by YOUR twisted imagination of what iI would consider an exploit.
If you really want to call forcing tormented an exploit, bc they cannot avoid it, then body blocking for instadown is aswell. And forcing DS on the killer (by locker or getting grab). Or even more ridiculous, being flashlight blinded while picking someone up. "No way to avoit it" is no valid metric for something to be an exploit!
Pls enlighten us with your definition of "exploit", I feel you have no clue what you are talking about.
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If the Devil (Executioner) can send me to Hell (Cage) if I sin (become tormented) and I am the one who chooses whether I sin or not, then the Devil making me sin is an exploit! I would rather die pure than sin. This unintended oversight highlighted by the OP takes that away from me.
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No, the optimal play would be 1.hook 2.cage 3.hook.
If he drops you on a trail trough 3 hook states, he will lose the game because he wasted so much time.
If the PH plays optimal you can still deny the cage tunnel after 1st hook by jumping in a locker. He has to pull you out and eat your DS.
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The devil actually deceives you so you commit sins. Not even your methaphors work. Pls just stop, you making yourself totally ridiculous here.
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Not an exploit but he is wasting his time by doing this
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Who cares? Torment is a very weak status effect. The only PHs I've ever seen doing this were trying to get their daily/the steam achievement for cages, because it is a profound waste of their time otherwise.
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The Executioner didn't trick the OP into running through his Rites of Judgement; he didn't hide it behind a corner or in the tall grass. The Executioner straight up dropped him onto it and forced it.
It would be like the Devil forcing the apple of knowledge into Eve's mouth, not tricking her into eating it.
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And he wasted about 30 seconds of his time to do so, and gave him a chance to run away when he could have hooked him. All this saves him is 10 seconds going to a hook at some point.
If this strategy accomplished anything other than ticks for a daily quest, you would never see anyone do it, ever.
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It allows him to unfairly cage a survivor, disabling hook-related perks. That sounds like more than just a daily ritual to me.
If you're that concerned over a daily ritual then recycle it or ask the devs to change it to "Hit a Survivor x time(s) with the Executioner's ranged Special Attack" (I forget the name of it)
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So again, bc the Executioner forced the torment on the survivor against their will, it has to be an exploit, right? Then should flashlight blinding the killer when they destory a pallet or pick someone up (against their will and without anything they can do in this situation) be an exploit as well, right?
Or what about Clown throwing a gas bottle at the ground before picking someone with active DS up, that also forces the Intoxication on the survivor, exploit as well?
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I would say, working as intended. but with an oversight.
I wouldn't change it honestly... he's wasting so much time doing this...
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"Then should flashlight blinding the killer when they destory a pallet or pick someone up (against their will and without anything they can do in this situation) be an exploit as well, right?"
Just stop. You're making yourself look ridiculous here.
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But your plague example is different. The right example would be a plague which lets a survivor escape after she downs him and bc of that the survivor would get fully infected. No plague would do that.
If i am tormented i have the problem that i have no tunnel protection. But for this the killer needs to down me twice. He could just tunnel me and take the ds and it would be the same.
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