New wraith is fine and most the criticism is wrong or overblown
![[Deleted User]](https://forums.bhvr.com/applications/dashboard/design/images/defaulticon.png)
Also if your gonna comment please at least read some of the post its kinda a pet peeve seeing some of the most upvoted comments on some of my pervious posts asking stuff ive already typed what my answer to would be.
I have seen a few posts recently propping up about the new wraith and how people dont like faceing him. This post is a response to that because i think most the things im seeing said about him are just wrong a lot of the time or sometimes some real criticism being overblown. I will start below
Gaining distance/taking hits at the start of the chase
One complaint I am seeing about him is that people are saying that they cant gain distance on him when he is uncloaking and he gets a lot of free hits because of this at the start of chases. Generally you need to be preplanning your routes around what pallets and windows are nearby and leaving gens early if you see him heading towards you. He is a killer that can hide his terror radius and go invisible, if you are getting hit at gens at the start of chases its going to be your fault, on most maps the high walls that prevent you from seeing him approaching are mostly generated loops that you can use against the wraith because normally they will have a pallet or a pallet and a window. Obviously if your on a indoor map this dose not apply but there is a reason that on these maps (Hawkins, Lerys and even Midwich) you will face the same issues against Ghostface for the same reason the only difference is that Wraith is now a good killer. Regardless these maps are just a small sample of the map pool and these issue is that most players just dont play well against Wraith.
Comparisons to Freddy
I have seen some people compare wraith to freddy usually for 3 reasons and they are related
1-People say his cloak, catch up uncloak and then swing through a unsafe pallet is similar to freddy in the sense that you play x loop the same way over and over again.
2-He is a easy killer to play for how good he is.
Honestly both these points are true but just irrelevant, i will explain.
Point 1-People say his cloak, catch up uncloak and then swing through a unsafe pallet is similar to freddy in the sense that you play x loop the same way over and over again.
Point 1 just wrong and people misunderstanding the killer old freddy could just walk around any loop placeing snares and there was a optimal way to place them that would guarantee a hit on a lot of loops you just put one each side and then because the snares stacked you force the suviver into them and get a free hit completely negating their skill.
Wraith is way more comparable to Deathslinger it may sound strange just hear me out it will make sense. Wraith is like Deathslinger in the sence they both have one type of loop they can guarantee a hit on wraith at extremely short loops (in terms of the amount you can run around it) if played properly and Deathslinger can force the hit on every loop that he can see over thats just it huntress can do the same thing on a lot of loops where the collisions not janky for her. This is a thing on a lot of the killers in this game but in regards to Wraith people are overblowing how big of an issue it is because...
Point 2-He is a easy killer to play for how good he is.
Survivors are not perceiving any skill when Wraith hits them, and im not arguing he should be but not all the killers need to have a gimmick that requires some perceived mechanical skill to even justify being GOOD compared to the rest of them yes killers at the top should take skill to play...... but ALL the killers that that level still do the only killers that are at that point of being that good are nurse, spirit and blight.
AND even after all that if your going down to a wraith linking back to what I said earlier in the Gaining distance/taking hits at the start of the chase section of this post one of 5 things has likely happened
1-You have messed up
2-You have been outplayed
3-You have ran out of resources in that area of the map
4-The map spawned a deadzone (this has nothing to do with Wraith
5-Your going down because of pressure slugging ect
Even the BS in this list is not particularly a Wraith issue but a wider game issue
I also see a lot of people say one thing but i cant really argue against it because......
He is unfun because of how chases against him play out
To be fair this is all opinionated but what's fun is completely down to you and i have no right to dictate that to you
In my opinion i find wraith more fun than a lot of killers in the game killers so my take in a tier list is below
There's defo a lot more killers id rather not face than Wraith but im not the arbiter of fun if you where to say spirit was very fun i would disagree but that would be your right.
What's your thoughts and opinions on the new wraith?
Comments
-
I liked Wraith's Power from the very beginning, didn't matter how weak he was.
Naturally, his buffs over the years did little damage to my enjoyment of him, but if even if they reverted the latest changes...Well, i'd be a lil unhappy, but i had fun before as well.
2 -
Okay, right off the bat you show you don't quite understand the concept of a "stealth killer".
HIS POWER IS GETTING A FREE FIRST HIT. The "counterplay" to that is getting lucky by having LoS on him far enough away to see his shimmer start and not being in a relatively small deadzone, or having Spine Chill against a killer that doesn't know how to counter it. It's not really about the survivors skill, it's more about the Wraith not mindlessly walking up to a generator without at least trying to hide.
That is literally the power of stealth killers. That is why they annoy people. It is not unique to Wraith, he just also happens to have massively good mobility and so does it better than even Ghostface now. I also think that most of the complaints aren't that valid, but this one is and there's nothing to be done about it because that's one of his biggest strengths.
8 -
His powers more than a free first hit it can do a lot more.
Also I understand the concept of a stealth killer and it just so happens one side has a 3rd person camera with a wide FOV meaning at most places that dont have high walls its likely you can easier see him coming + you have some indication of where that will be from perks or where other survivors have been hooked but thats not the point.
The counterplay to it is really just paying attention and inferring what is likely to happen and in your head planning your route the problem is and i dont mean this as a insult to survivors i play a lot of the role most players once there on a gen don't forward think we are all guilty of turning off and just hitting skill checks But stealth killers punish that and tbh i don't see the issue with that to be honest if someone takes a hit for not paying attention or being in a deadzone then thats fine.
1 -
Names perks and techniques to counter Wraith. (Look around, listen, use perks)
Then claims Wraith can't be countered.
...Yep. Just another Survivor finding it too hard to do anything but fix gens.
3 -
Wraith is fine, you can't play the same way you play against other killers which is a common case with the killers people complain about the most (Spirit, Hag, Blight, Nurse...). He feels pretty boring to me though, you just go to a person and uncloak, either hit them or break the pallet, go invisible and repeat.
1 -
It's like the words 'shack', 'building' and 'maze tile' have lost all meaning...
1 -
It's like the idea 'learn to play against different Killers' lost all meaning.
Survivors: We can't loop him for 80 seconds! NERF HIM!
3 -
Wow, you really do like your assumptions, don't you? You didn't even read my first comment. What a brilliant and attentive person you are.
2 -
Not really in shack you get a window that he cant use his speed boost to get around and a god pallet if its body blocked every maze tile apart has resources and most building have things you can use as well not all but most. If you cant see him most of the time the game gives you a resource.
0 -
I feel I've been on the band wagon and been a big proponent of this recent complaint about wraith. Though I mostly main him as a killer.
Cause once I create a dead zone generators I take the free hit and just leave. To different gen. After that when I come back to the orginal generator. I get another free hit and now you're down.
You didn't loop me, you didn't get actually use any of your chasing skills. You're down without really getting a chance to fight back.
I feel the games or only won and lost by my decisions alone. Nothing you do as a survivor matters. Granted I won't be saying the same thing if the perk sloppy and nurses weren't in the mix.
1 -
Yea but you need to create a dead zone honestly if survivors are allowing you to create a dead zone around a gen and not playing economically with pallets its kinda comeing i only have 2 things i dislike about wraith but i think they are overblown
1-when a weaker survivor burns all the pallets others get punished
2-Sloppy, surge, ruin, BBQ sluggers thats the only time i dislike wraith a LOT
But the thing about 1 is it applies to bubba, Oni and well a lot of the killers its kinda like when a oni zooms back to where you are but with wraith you get more time to react to it so i dont think its that bad tbh
0 -
The thing about burning pallets. Is that you only need to burn about 6 of them which are the 1-2 closest pallets to each of the generators. If they don't burn the pallet they get hit. If they do burn the pallet. There won't be a close enough pallet next time.
I have no need to care about any extended chases.
Lol replace surge with nurses calling and you got my build.
Though I guess I can't say if one build is oppressive. Then that must mean wraith is fully oppressive.
But I still feel hit and run wraith, the only way to play wraith optimally, is a play style with zero counter play.
I remember the first time I faced hit and run wraith, I was thinking. Oh I can't do anything, I don't know when he'll will come and there are no pallets I can run to, to save me.
Also I learned how to actually play hit and run wraith that game xD.
1 -
I feel if thats your build the issue you have with wraith is probably really similar to me but im not sure
mys only issue is when you create a snowball deadzone, slug and keep suvs injured then pressure them to come to the deadzone as ruin is regressing the gen if they leave you just hit and run another area and rinse and repeat but the issue is not wraiths buffs in and of themselves its just that 4 meta perks allow him to slow the game to a halt and play an oppresive style, theres a very similar issue with some of legions old addons and some really niche perks that people overlook because the killer is weak but he can be one of the most oppresive killers in the game. i dont think the killers are so much broken as without the build they fine imo.
0 -
He's not broken, but you can't counter wraith at the same time.
And that's why I don't think he's in a healthy spot. There's no back and forth interaction between survivor and wraith.
But also I'm about to hit rank 1 for the first time so please don't change him.
0 -
I love current wraith the only thing that I see being abused is his post uncloak speed they just spam it like deathslinger until they hit
Ez fix he cant uncloak for 3s after cloaking hit and run wont be affected and it's just enough time to get to a nearby window if they try to abuse it.
0
