The level of bullying on this game is atrocious

Games are for entertainment though...

I've seen something like this before, but I never really thought about it.

When I finally bought Bubba I played only him all day (this was before the rework) and I was doing terribly. One of the last games I decided to play was against a 4 man SFW that wasn't BMing or anything, except for one of them. After the match during post-game chat he was even talking trash. I told them about his behavior during the match and all of them began apologizing and saying that "he is a really nice guy irl, he's not normally like this".

Maybe this game is just cursed.

Tunneling is ANNOYING AF but that doesnt make it toxic nor make it bullying LMFAO

I felt like gaming in the early 2000's when computers still were becoming a household wide thing was much better. Generally the amount of toxicity in games weren't as large scale until it hit around the the 2010's era it became a much more wide scale thing. Sure there was games back then before that, that had toxicity mainly fps like Halo. Once the COD days hit. The toxicity ramped up insanely fast, and it became a lot bigger. With more and more people playing video games more than ever with many different outlets or sources. We have this insane growth of toxicity. More people means the more chances of it becoming a large scale thing considering a lot of people don't have mentality or a mind of their own. I know back in the early 2000's I never really had an issue with Toxicity on the games I played like mmo's such as wow, toontown etc... It was only when the early 2010's ramped up I saw a lot of toxicity happen. A lot of the younger crowd who has everyone speak for them instead of themselves these days also don't make it any better. I've played a lot of Roblox and the Toxicity on the platform is absolutely insane. People just scamming each other left and right. Bypassing filters to name call a lot of other things in the mix, because moderation is a lot worse, because of the fact that so many people on the platform. At least on DBD there is usually some sort of repercussions if you report toxicity in the end game chat.

Anyone who genuinely believes survivor BMing is done for some tactical advantage has either never played this game or has critical knowledge missing from their understanding of human interaction.

Or do you get something out of tbagging the killer at the exit gates? No? How about fast vaulting at the hatch and refusing to leave until the killer shows up so you can click your flashlight at them and then leave once they're close enough to take a swing? Refusing to leave until the endgame collapse timer runs out? Leaving the exit gates to run the killer at a nearby tile and then go back to the gates because they're so much worse than you that you can? I've heard arguments that click spamming when the killer whiffs is trying to anger them and make them play poorly (which, nice job resorting to that kind of tactic in a party game), and I can accept fast vaulting to bait a chase gets bloodpoints even if the killer wasn't occupied (though of course, the impetus is that the player is baiting because they're not at all worried about the killer) but most of the BMing I experience from survivors is at a point in the match where nothing they do will have an outcome; the match has already been decided. They just want to rub it in.

I don't differentiate between somebody telling me I suck and to uninstall in the endgame chat and someone pointing at me, shaking their head, and tbagging at the gates/after I close the hatch they were running to. They're both being rude and were not fun to play with because they couldn't win or lose like a good sport. Whether someone's telling me my mom should die of cancer or that I'm bad at the game - it doesn't matter what they say, I already know they have nothing to convey to me but spite and that nothing they say is going to matter. It's just the fact that they're the kind of person that wants to behave like that to strangers they're playing a game with that gets me. And likewise... toxic, nasty, BMing, I don't care what the word is. I don't like them and they negatively impact my enjoyment of the game.

Players do things to be dicks to each other because it's funny. Clicking/fast vaulting to take attention off another player in duress is the minority and, while still annoying, is pretty easily discerned from people who are just clicking to mock you. And for the most part, the players doing it to be tactical do like tilting the killer; they've just come up with a fancy justification why they're not bad people for doing it.

Games these days are more competitive than ever. That's the main underlining problem with the industry now. We saw it with COD, and then when more and more companies have piggy backed off of cod, and more and more multiplayers are a thing now with some sort of competitive level. The problem is, is the industry has taken a huge sink down. People will find anything to get mad at these days, because they feel like they need to. A lot of people are just simply lacking a mind of their own, and they will just follow the behavior of their peers or players they play with. I've always been one for good sportsmanship. I still will talk trash if someone talks trash to me though. I'm not someone who takes it. Like you said in your post before. Good sportsmanship is the way to go, but the upcoming generation gets everything handed to them on a silver platter. Games are no exception. I'm only 22 almost 23, but I've always been one for fair competition if I lose well played. If I win well played. I think if everyone just was a good sport it would be a great thing, but the problem is, is that even outside sources of gaming are also becoming more Toxic. I fish a lot, and you'd think people would not be so toxic even in fishing. These days nope. I have problems with people even with fishing, because someone always has to say something even in you'd think a relaxing sport with barely no comp. People are feeding toxicity everywhere, and that's what this era has caused. It's an absolute trainwreck among all proportions.

Yeah, I'm unsurprised at anything you're saying here. This is the standard spiel - it's your own fault for being bothered that I'm rude to you, it's your fault your skin isn't thick enough to put up with online games and you should get off the internet for a while to get over it, it's your fault for not liking that my idea of playing Dead By Daylight is to annoy you and I have the right to treat you however I want as long as I'm not calling you slurs you so you're the one who's wrong for expecting anything else when you bought the game.

Using the guise of 'it's a party game' to justify any behavior is ridiculous. That's like claiming I could join in a game of Twister and spend the game 'accidentally' knocking everyone else over, because it's technically within the gameplay, it's a game, and I am having fun screwing over and hurting the other players. A game is not a game when all the players involved don't agree to the same standards.

But the worst thing is, your kind of player is so comfortable in the environment you've created that you don't even care how many people are driven away by it. Once everything boils away, you're the dominant strain that remains in the petri dish.

At least you didn't try to defend exit gate shenanigans. I can't win this argument because you don't care about the consequences of your actions, but if nothing else, you aren't pretending anymore that it's anything other than what it is.

To be fair, based just off the themes and concept of this game.... It's a scummy game. Killers torture people and sacrifice them to an entity in endless loops. Can't really be surprised when the worst of people come out. Looking for love in all the wrong places.

I'm not condoning it, just not glossing over the obvious.

Players like you are a credit to the game. Always love running into people after a match with your kind of attitude.

My favorite way to play killer is to get everyone or most on death hook, then either ignore the players who are already on death hook in favor of the ones who aren't, or leave the death hook players slugged so that someone else can pick them up. I'll keep whacking them around past the point where I'm hooking anybody, and I'll make them work for the last gens, but I won't kill anyone and I'll goof around if survivors get the idea to approach me. Everyone gets to play the game. Nets me a lot of positive messages after chat - and I'll admit, I feel the same way. I don't want survivors to leave unhappy over something I did. Same thing as a survivor - I'll often offer myself up if there's a 4-man escape and I didn't need the escape for something or other. But that's my brand of feeling powerful and feeling nice, anyway. Never used NOED, though I've been having a lot of fun with Devour Hope lately.

I only tunnel if I'm going for an adept/4k rift challenge and someone unhooked before I had a chance to leave - or if the player really made a point to BM me, because at that point, you get what you give.

You're the one who came in here to rant about how bully behavior isn't bullying and it's everyone else's fault for being oversensitive on a thread complaining about how new players are being driven away by highly experienced players being dicks, and then proceeded to drop the laundry list of the usual reasons why it's their own fault for not enjoying other people being rude to them and wanting to be able to play the game without being subjected to it.

You can't get all surprised Pikachu when people assume that you're a part of the behavior you're very explicitly condoning. People generally don't defend bad things unless they identify with them.

And for the record, since one of your posts came in delayed - how is it not sadistic to derive enjoyment from making someone else feel bad? That's douchey no matter how you slice it. Forget the themes of the game. They're window dressing, and an excuse. 'It's a game about killers so you should expect me to be nasty' is as dumb as 'it's a game about killers so you should expect me to actually be violent and kill you.' It's a game. People play games about racing cars and slaying dragons. Games do not fundamentally change who we are as people and the only people that genuinely believe that are the middle-aged busybodies who think Pac-Man is corrupting the youths.

My idea of a good time involves not having random people go out of their way to be asses to me for the express purpose of provoking me into an angry reaction. I don't expect other people to go out of their way to make things fun for me, I expect them to not go out of their way to not make things fun for me, because that's not playing a game, that's just trolling someone. This extremely discerning standard applies to most people, so I'm not exactly the one demanding something unusual - it's the people who want to rain on everyone else's parade and think they have the god-given right to do that that are the aberrations and the ones who generally mess things up for the majority. I'm not talking about players who get tilted and play nasty in response, or the players who use unfun tactics because it's the best way to win and they like winning. I'm talking about the ones who start up a session of DBD to see how many ragequits they can cause in one day, or how many angry comments they can fish out.

I'm gonna be honest, the whole 'you're the entitled one if you think people don't have the right to treat you like crap for their own amusement - think of their amusement' is... pretty damn entitled. Why would I owe any consideration to the kinds of people whose bread and butter is giving no consideration to anyone else? It's obvious BHVR wants to cut down on the nastiness present in the community - the fact that they run surveys about this and then implemented a filter that (very badly) tries to prevent people from discussing heated topics, rather than just blocking slurs and calling it a day, makes this evident.

Please enlighten me when I said it was ok to bully people? PLEASE DO. I said if it is getting them BP then no it is not. Its not the players fault they are trying to maximize the points they can get. Anything after that, ok. Until your BP is maxed youre not bullying. I have ran around looking for totems after the gate was opened to get more points. If I knew I was a much better player and can loop to get more bold points, I am gonna do it. I am not doing it to "bully" I am trying to get BP.

You tried comparing gameplay in DBD to playing twister and physically hitting someone. The whole topic ended there as you reached so far and dropped the straws. Bullying and talking nonsense has no place in the game but that doesnt make everything toxic because you have a bad game. That idea is absolute nonsense. Teabagging at an exit game celebrating the fact you won is now bullying? Really? Taking the entire time is another deal, that shouldnt happen.

I will teabag at pallets mid-chase and click my flashlight to tilt the killer and make them keep chase. Its not bullying, some of what youre saying is but not all. Youre blanketing everything into 1 and thats not how this works. Its like expecting the killer to be nice and let you get away. Its an entitled state of mind. Oh no I am not having fun or I dont think this is fun so its automatically bullying.

I haven't yet, but I would accept the offer if it was there.

I pick the parts out that I dont agree with, everything else I do.

When I get facecamped after looping the killer for a long time, I laugh. Their facecamp is my champagne. Even if I die I still won because I wasted the killers time that much during chase and after. When I get the basement bubba treatment I laugh because its a game. They are most likely just trolling to get me mad.

If you dont allow them to troll you with the teabags at the gates 9/10 they leave. When Im playing killer and people click at me and teabag I know whats happening. I DONT ENGAGE.

As for SWFs showing compassion, PEOPLE MEME. They will literally play like a noob all game until the last gen is done and then slaughter them. It goes the same for both sides. I dont play a game and expect people to show compassion. I play to have MY fun. I dont play to make others feel warm inside.

Im also a killer main BTW. L OH L

I agree with everything @Laluzi is saying. I also think online games are a weird, emerging category and some of the bad behaviour we see is because a) this is a new space that we don't know how to regulate yet and b) capitalists got here first, so the whole thing is framed around profit rather than creating a healthy environment.

I think gaming will look very different in 30 years. Right now, we're in the wild west stage where people can get away with doing really antisocial stuff because it's hard to stop them.