killers are too op
i downloaded dbd exactly 6 days ago and have been playing it a lot. i first started as a survivor and didn’t do so well. i’m rank 12 now and one thing i’ve noticed is that the win rate as a survivor is like 10-15%. i definitely don’t think i’m bad at the game, i almost always get max escape/bold points, do 1-3 gens, unhook 2 + survivors, but somehow rarely escape. today i tried killer for the first time to try and prove my theory i played as the huntress. and won 4 games in a row, clearly i’m on to something.
or am i just REALLY good at killer and bad at survivor?
there are a couple killers who i find over powered from the ones i’ve versed so far:
1. nurse: the girl comes flying at u from half way across the map
2. spirit: too confusing i have no idea how the hell
3. vomit girl: when there’s 3 more gens she just throws up on them and camps them
- the cannibale: i feel like pallets are useless against him and he’s too op at chases
- the doctor: versing him to me feels like an entirety different game
some killers that are easier for me are:
- invisible guy
- the shape
- the trapper
please dbd pros give me tips i prefer playing survivor so much more
i’m a claudette and have spine chill, light weight, resilience, and self care
shes level 49, and i’m levelling up bill overbeck to get his teachable perks cause i like some of his perks. what else should i do? i also don’t want to spend money on this game
EDIT: THANK U! i’m reading through the replies and i have definitely decided to play longer before finalizing my opinion. also i’m gonna keep experimenting with new play styles and perks. feel free to keep leaving comments and tips they’re actually very helpful
Comments
-
Try not to make any rushed judgments about the game. I'm new too - about 500 hours in - and I'm still learning and improving. No offense but you're way too young a player to really have a good sense of the balance in the game yet. I say that because a couple of months ago I was in the same spot that you are now, and to an extent still am.
Take your time, experiment with different characters and perks, find a playstyle that fits you, don't be aggressively rude to others and try not to get too cocky. There's always more learning to do. And keep in mind that just yesterday the game's rank system was bugged in such a way that a lot of people are facing much easier competition than they should be.
EDIT: As for perks, I've found that aura perks are good ones to begin with. Dwight's Bond, and when you run across them Kindred and Dark Sense. These all help you get a feel for paying attention to your surroundings and figuring out where the killer and your teammates are. Also forget self-care: We all think it's great until we use it, then we realize that it's way too slow and isn't worth wasting a perk slot on since medkits are so easy to acquire.
7 -
wait different survivor characters play differently? in what way? i just picked claudette cause she looked the coolest
0 -
Killer games are almost always very easy at low levels but you'll manage to soon get survivors that make you wanna throw the game away. I think the general assumption is that say survivor solo queue is always tough but once you get to know the killers better and get perks that make you comfortable it gets easier.
A good play against doctor is to remember that he can only follow one survivor at once. I know his shock makes it seem like you have no hope but he does not have a lot of mobility. Yes he can hear you scream, but if he's nowhere to be found you don't have to react. Everyone freaking out is what makes you lose the game because now he's herding you all together.
A good way to mess up Nurse is to run behind her when she blinks. Good nurses will not care about this, but most players suck at her. As for the others... well Spirits annoy me and I've only gotten basement camping cannibals. Hopefully someone else can give you hints!
2 -
"i downloaded dbd exactly 6 days ago"
That is exactly why you think killers are op.
12 -
They don't play any differently beyond their perks, but their unique perks do make them different from one another. Claudette is a good healer because of her perks, Meg is more athletic and elusive, Nea is more stealthy, Dwight is a good support character.
Survivors are basically identical aside from their appearance, and their perks. In time you'll find that even though you like Claudette you may wish that she had some of the other characters' perks, and you'll be able to get them if you play as those characters and "teach" those perks so that everyone else can use them. In that way you can mix and match your favorite abilities while still using the survivor who you like the most.
Example: my favorite survivor is Meg but she's literally not using any of her original perks. She's using three of the aura perks I mentioned earlier as well as either one of Nea's or another one of Dwight's. But to be totally clear, no, there is no difference in abilities between survivors. They all run as fast, have the same strength level, etc. The perks are what make them different from each other.
4 -
thank u! that’s very helpful
1 -
i mean, it gets very unmotivating to continue without the assurance that gameplay will become more fair. also i can form an opinion on killers after 30 rounds :/ i just pointed it out cause i was hoping for tips on improvement and i did get lots of help so i definitely don’t regret making this post
0 -
Regarding the killers, Nurse and Spirit are almost universally considered the most difficult killers to face. Wraith is a good one to play as when you're still learning the game.
Another thing to keep in mind: It's a common belief that killer games are tougher in the evenings (at least going by U.S. times) because that's when a lot of skilled survivors meet up to play together ("Survive With Friends" or SWF). SWF teams are often called the most annoying types of players to go against, to the point that many killers quit playing the game in the evening (which makes finding evening matches as survivors a longer process).
2 -
Great advice. I use Bond, Kindred, sometimes Prove Thyself to help the gens and an exhaustion perk like lithe. Sometimes I will swap out lithe or Prove Thyself for Iron Will if I want to run stealthy or Borrowed Time if I need to do some saves for a challenge.
2 -
DbD has a bit of a wierd progression. When you start, killer is easy AF, because all your opponents are babies and have no clue how to play, because the mechanics and tactics required by survivors are harder than those of killer (at first).
However, then you rank up and go against survivors that know what they're doing and suddenly you have to play twice as good as them for half the reward. You're out there getting punished for half a seconds hesitation while your opponents are second chancing it to victory. And gods forbid you get good survivors, the ones who don't need second chances or exhaustion perks - that's a killers worst nightmare. And you realise that the killers job is to wrest control of the trial form the survivors, and it always has been that way, it's just that back in your early days the survivors practically handed you control in a silver platter with a glowing neon sign reading "Kill Us All" flashing on the skybox.
2 -
The best thing you can do as a survivor is learn how to loop. Learn what's a safe loop, what's an unsafe one. How to chain them together, when you can abandon and save a loop after a killer swings to early/uses a power wrong.
As for the specific killers you mentioned...
Nurse is generally seen as overpowered, but she's so buggy and hard to learn you barely ever see her.
Spirit is also an incredibly hated killer, as her whole power is framed in guesswork on the survivors side.
Plague, however, is seen as mid-tier by a lot of people. Her power can be incredibly hit or miss, and if you get good enough you don't really have to worry about being injured.
Iron Will from Jake is a great perk to start with, as is basically all of Dwight's and Meg's perks. You're just barely starting the game, so it's okay to have a hard time learning.
@miketheratguy has 500 hours, and in alot of other games that would be considered a lot of time. In this game, it's still considered pretty intermediate. There is a lot of time involved with learning this game.
I will also warm you that while you don't have to spend money on the game, the grind is... Stupid in this game. It will take a very long time to unlock all the characters and perks you want. Even longer for licensed perks, and you cannot get licensed killers without paying.
2 -
Thank you. Everyone plays differently and half the fun is finding a combination of perks that works for them but yeah, for me, Bond, Kindred, Dark Sense, and either Prove Thyself or Nea's fast crouching (can't remember what that one's called) are great complements to my more stealthy style. When I get more experienced and aggressive I'll probably run some of the more popular, controversial perks.
2 -
I do wonder what is considered "veteran" or "proficient" amount of hours in DBD
1 -
You're new so your opinion will change several times throughout the course of playing the game if you stick with it. I have been playing for 4 years and what I thought at the beginning vs what I think now is completely different.
2 -
No clue, really. I've probably (can't check total playtime on PS4, as far as I know) for a combined amount of 2500+ hours in the game, been playing since 2017. So I guess I'd consider myself a veteran? It's just a matter of opinion I guess.
3 -
I agree with all of this. In particular two points: The ranking system (someone mentioned earlier today that the most comfortable challenge is right around rank 10, the green ranks, which I agree with. Anything less can be too easy, anything more starts to get too sweaty), and the DLC purchasing. You CAN unlock unlicensed (original) characters with in-game currency but it takes a ridiculous amount of time. Additionally, if you were to buy those same characters in the Steam store instead, with actual cash money, you'd usually get more than 1 character per purchase. For example The Hag and Ace Visconti are each the equivalent of five dollars, but if you buy their combined "chapter" on Steam it will be a total of perhaps six dollars. The DLC also seems to go on sale every few months and is very generous, all the DLC is roughly half off during that time. Keep an eye on the Steam store when the Resident Evil content is about to be released.
As for looping, it's definitely a required skill, but it takes a while to learn. Nomi is right: My 500 hours in this game would be a lot for many other titles, but in this game that's intermediate at best. There are people who have spent years putting thousands of hours into this game. Remember: Always learning, always practicing, always getting better.
1 -
I think anyone that played during the Dark Times is allowed to have a veteran's discount lol.
I first played consistently justtttt before Clown came out, late spring of 2018.
3 -
I began playing IMMEDIATELY before The Trickster came out and had to put up with him twenty times a day. This is a debt that can never be repaid.
0 -
Well, sadly I wasn't here for the Dark Times...
But I was here just in time for Old Legion and that Infinite Mending hell. Do I get a discount too?
0 -
Eh, I got super into Survivor right when original Legion came out.
1 -
I think you get compensation for experiencing that.
1 -
Survivor is easier, the only changes as you rank up are killers fall for gimmicks less and the need to understand how various loops work to your advantage.
1 -
Hell yeah! I always hoped that enduring that nightmare without DCing would pay off eventually.
0 -
You are a newbie Killer fighting newbie Survivors. Survivors only get more powerful as they learn to work together. The Killer only has to rely on him/herself. So the Killer always seems stronger at first. That starts to shift rapidly as the Survivors learn to work together.
1 -
I didn't play too much during the Dark Times. Very on and off. I got deeper into the game around the same time you did— Clowns release.
God, the game was still really different back then.
3 -
If you read here, you will believe killers are weak and survivors are OP. However, your opinion is fully accurate that killers are extremely overpowered. Even with thousands of hours, you can play 10 matches as survivor and every match is completely hopeless. Play killer and win every single match. Something needs to be done. The devs need to stop camping and tunneling with NOED and balance their game so it is fair. Look at their stats and stop ignoring them.
1 -
You get
1 -
Perfect.
I still want my discount tho0 -
It sure was.
Double pallets, vacuum vaults, that one time flashlight saves got their timing removed, space Billy, ORIGINAL PRE-NERF FREDDY
1 -
You know, I never experienced Trickster too many times. I guess I should thank my luck for that.
But Legion... The pain I felt will never be erased.
0 -
I love the hamster meme.
I hear that Legion was hated to oblivion when he came out, what was the story there? And by the way did you ever have any better luck with your console? I know that the relatively poor performance had you frustrated.
0 -
"But Legion... The pain I felt will never be erased."
Same, my friend, same. However, as crazy as it may sound, I would deal with a hundred Old Legions in a row if it meant returning to 2018 DBD.
I miss it so much.
0 -
Considering that thread is now 13 pages long, no, unfortunately I did not have any better luck.
oh my god he was awful. I honestly can't put into words what a shitshow it was. Just...look up some footage from it. It was so bad.
1 -
I FORGOT ABOUT SPACE BILLY.
Goodnight, sweet prince.
Ah, man. I really miss old Freddy too.
Everything else you mentioned I am very glad is gone.
1 -
I hate facing even my favorite killers two or three times in a row. It gets boring fast. Imagine a multitude of matches, for a good two or three straight weeks, against a killer who's annoying and lame in every conceivable way. The whole forum despised him at that time, yet everyone I played against insisted on using him. I will never like that guy, ever. To this day if I get him once every twenty or so games (which is pretty much what it's become) I still shudder when I see him. "Oh. HIM. Eugh".
I'm sorry to hear that. From all the posts I've seen you make you seem like a decent, reasonable guy and I'd like you to be able to enjoy the game. Honest condolences.
I wish there were a sort of insider's history of the various releases of all of these characters, comparisons of what they were like versus what they turned out to be, initial reactions to their announcements, etc. I like Legion well enough, I think he's fun to play. But it seems that a LOT of people feel otherwise. I guess I'll have to check around as you suggested.
Vacuum vaults? Wow, I actually just got one of those yesterday, the stagecoach at Crotus Prenn. I went to open a chest inside the interior but instead my character was sucked sideways and vaulted instead, exposing me to the killer and leading to my eventual loss. I never knew that this used to be a common thing, it was the only time I've seen it.
0 -
Old instant heals. Old moris, old bnps. Old map offerings. Splinters. Old Ruin. No gen penalty when multiple Survivors worked on it. Ultra Rare perks. No Exhaustion. Exhaustion recovered while sprinting. Old old DS. Dribbling. Actual facecamping.
TRAPPER SETTING TRAPS UNDER HOOK
BASEMENT BODYBLOCKING
OLD METTLE OF MAN
0 -
Old Legion was hell on Earth, my friend. Especially with things such as Frank's Mix Tape or both Blade add-ons.
0 -
I haven't really thought about it all too much, but I miss alot about 2018 DbD. If I could just take everything good from then and good from now and squish it all together, I'd be one happy man.
The nostalgia I'm experiencing right now. Damn.
1 -
You literally have my whole squad in your list.
Like no offense, but the reason you gave for plague came off as forced and like you just wanted to shove her in there.
I can see why spirit would be an issue for you and nurse can only do that with Kavanagh's last breath and heavy panting. A combination I tried today after months of not using it and I absolutely loved it.
I replaced fragile wheeze with heavy panting because I only have 6 left of the fragile stuff.
Here's hoping that you'll improve vs these killers, especially against plague.
1 -
That's incredibly fair. When the Twins first came out, I got a five game long strain of Twin games as survivor. I barely ever see the Twins now, but I loathe those games entirely.
Same with Hag. There was a period where I faced a lot of Hags. I haven't seen her in a good week, but she remains and will always remain my least favorite killer to face.
Now that I think about it, I don't think I've faced a single Trickster.
1 -
Now that would be an excellent idea! And yes, nolstagia is hitting me like a truck!
I just can't believe how much I actually miss it.
0 -
"OLD METTLE OF MAN"
Why? Why did you do it?
WHY?
0 -
Talk about poor design choices.
MoM was like, 4 months after Legion
1 -
OLD MoM. NO. That was one of the worst experiences I had as killer. Ugh.
Damn, I remember Splinters. I really wish they would bring those back, purely just for now neat they are.
1 -
So the main problem was that he was way too OP? Broken levels of OP?
Yeah it's weird how variety can spoil you in a game like this. There are something like 32 maps yet I get frustrated when I never see the indoor ones because they're such a different challenge (and I happen to like them all). And for the killers, for example, I think the Doctor is one of the coolest but after three straight games with him yesterday (one of which was incredibly tense - pressure personified) I just turned off the game for half the day. Similarly I love The Plague and only saw her probably four, five times in the first month of play. I've now seen her probably fifteen times in the last few days alone.
But Trickster, ugh. I didn't like anything about the guy in the first place - his design, theme and aesthetic made me shrug at best and annoyed me at worst - and my sweet lord, I was getting that bastard like seven out of every ten games for a while there. Just constantly hearing his chase music, constantly hearing his incessant giggling, constantly having to run from his stupid knives. Bleh. I couldn't stand it man. It was like initiation torture. But in five years I'll proudly be able to say "I came in with the Trickster. I can take anything".
0 -
Perhaps I've become a bit disillusioned with the game now, but as bad as a few things were back then, I'd honestly love to play it just a few more times. Old Billy, old Leatherface. Old Freddy of course.
Hell, even old Lery's. Before all the map visual reworks. I miss old, super blue Macmillan.
1 -
I think Old MoM was much more than a mere poor design choice. That perk, that damn perk, was evil itself.
1 -
I... am not sure if I have the proper words to describe that thing.
Do you like that Youtuber, Cows? He made a very good video about Legion and the Blade add-ons, if you would like to see it:
1 -
Uh oh, shots fired!
If it's a design thing I can understand, when looking at some of the contemporaneous killers Legion seems a little out of place to me. But yeah, I look at Trickster and think that the guy just waltzed in from an entirely different game series. Like a miniboss in some kind of vampire game or something. I have trouble sitting here thinking "Okay, there's Freddy, Leatherface, Michael Myers, a crazed psychotic torture doctor, a ghastly Japanese spirit, a floating corpse Nurse, Ghostface, a Kpop DJ...wait -"
0 -
One thing you need to keep in mind is matchmaking isn't the best so you could easily be placed way above or way below your skill level.
1
