Broken Matchmaking (Rant#455,982 of this week)
Like...I'm barely a month in to this game so there's a lot that I don't understand about playing this game when it comes to certain tactics and strategies and what. Hell I've only leveled like...4 or 5 killers to 40 out of everyone and there's still some that I haven't even touched yet. So I'm sorry to add another rant to the pile but like, in what world does a matchmaking system like this make ANY sort of sense?
Couple of things to note I am in no way claiming that I played perfectly at all, again I am very much still a noob at this game and will admit it. Also when the match started I was rank 9 (the fact that I even ranked up in this match is just...beyond me). Also the one kill that I got I'm sure was a pity kill. They could've left the gate at any time but they stood there and let me get the hit on them at the end. But like my point is, playing people like this who are so far above my skill level is no damn fun at all. Literally throughout the entire game they were toying with me, surrounding me in loops, coordinating when to jump in with flashlights or run out in front of me, the whole nine yards. Also I am 99% sure these guys were an SWF with just how well coordinated they were with timing everything, but hey maybe they weren't. Again I admit that I ain't a great player at this game. Now equally when the tables are turned and I face potato ranks and just completely steamroll over them I still get upset because it was way too easy and again I learn nothing from those matches either. I would really appreciate playing people who are around my skill level so I can actually learn to get better at this game. I don't feel like I learned anything at all from being bullied around in a match like this other than the matchmaking system being complete flaming trash.
Again sorry for dropping another rant like this but like this match seriously just annoyed the hell out of me and just infuriated me even more when I saw they were all rank 1s and potentially an SWF. I really hope that BHVR does something about the matchmaking because the way this is right here, it's completely unacceptable and just really screws up what should be a fun game.
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Yeah, it sucks.
Lately I've been getting frustrated too. My wait times are so long to get games of such poor quality that I'm playing damage control more than actually enjoying the game or my builds. I wish I could say it's just because of the failed rank reset, but although that might have made it worse I've still been enduring these types of games for quite awhile myself.
Trying to hang out, but I might take a break until matchmaking is better if this persists - it's just not a good feeling.
List of my games tonight if you're curious:
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Tonight (just a couple of hours ago actually) my level 15 survivor was with teammates and a killer that were all between ranks 1 and 4. Seemed fair.
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This happens all the time for me as well. I do sometimes get an even match, but usually mismatched as far as ranks go. I've kind of just gotten used to it. The lack of high rank killers, I feel, really hurts the matchmaking. I'm hoping MMR fixes this, but it probably won't because the issue is that killers are a scarcity in general.
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Positive side:
- You could experience what it is like to play against good survivors.
- You managed to sacrifice one survivor, however maybe they just let you do it? So it means that they were nice people.
You had 24k points which is quite good considering the circumstances.
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But I was completely outmatched and toyed with throughout the entire game. Not one time did I ever feel at all that I had a shot to win and literally I felt powerless that there was nothing I could do. That's not fun and there is no bright side to look at from this. I didn't learn anything new from my experience. I see survivors complain about being slugged and just left to die for the 4 minutes on the floor and as ridiculous as this sounds I feel like I went through the killer version of that with this game. The only thing that I came away with at the end was that the survivors felt sorry for me and let me have one kill, which actually comes off as more insulting to me than it does nice. I want to play to have fun, and the way it stands with being put in to matches like this where I can just get bullied around with 0 effort, that's no fun. Same with how I mentioned earlier when I get put in to games with potatoes. It's not fun for me either just getting easy kills, and I can only imagine how the survivors feel on the other side of those games. I can only guess that they're not having as much fun on their end either. It just sucks.
And as an added note, the way this goes right now it makes it so unbearable to try any new killers out to play. Playing a lvl 1 killer with no add-ons or perks is just nightmare mode when I get paired up with red rank survivor SWF teams who run all the meta perks and are decked out. I was playing Wraith for the first time the other day, lvl 1 with nothing but just his normal perks. I ran in to a sweaty SWF team complete with legendary, BNP, all the meta perks. At the end they ######### talked cus they got out via the hatch and I'm just sitting here like "You guys wasted a legendary key...on a lvl 1 baby killer with nothing..."
At this point I'm just praying that and hoping that something is in the works to fix this otherwise, and while this sounds admittedly bad, I might just only play after rank resets going forward. At least then I can somewhat get some equal back and forth matches until I hit 10 and start getting red ranked to hell again.
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Yo what is up with those ranks? They are all over the place. What in the actual hell, how does this make any sort of sense?! Yeah this is real gross and does nothing but push me away from wanting to play this game. It's like I want to like this game but it just won't let me. I really do feel bad too for the solo queue potato survivors also who get thrown in to the meat grinder against red rank sweaty full perk and legendary add-on killers too. I have been there myself and since then I just refused to play survivor anymore. Literally no point in me running around with no add-ons and only 1 generic perk just to get rofl stomped by a killer with like 10,000 hours of playing this game.
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Yeah, hopefully a working MMR based matchmaking will be added soon.
When I try a new killer I am not even trying to play it before levelling it up to get decent perks.
During the MMR experiment several weeks ago it worked pretty fine. I tried a new killer and it was matching me up with potatoes... Maybe even too bad potatoes.
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Honestly I've wondered if maybe that might be the way to go, base rank and MMR off of killer experience? I mean the actual player level from what I can tell literally means nothing, so I don't see the point in that other than just to be a system to score your 200 iridescent shards lol.
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Red ranks to me is a whole new level.
At this point i feel red ranks should be just ranked with red ranks.. i find ranks below red are fun to play against i am rank purple.
but of course that will never happen, all we can do is try to learn but when the red ranks do nothing but TB and try to be toxic towards you then that gets annoying.
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Your first screenshot is my experience as a rank 20-18 Killer.
I give up each time I reached rank 18, which is the moment I have only red.
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The reason why I don't think this is much of a problem is, as long as you are approaching each game with a positive learning mindset, you will learn lots of things each game. When you are playing against someone with such a skill gap, there is no way you won't learn at least one new trick each game if you are focusing and paying attention. Eventually, you will know most of the tricks a survivor can pull, and at this point you might be able to start winning and enjoying the game.
It's not like Karate for example, where if you make a black belt fight a white belt, they could actually end up being injured or something. If you have the minor mental fortitude to not give up against superior and/or toxic players, then you can learn a lot.
Playing against good and bad survivors on this game, the difference is absolutely night and day. The sooner you get out of green ranks (which is far too easy as Killer), and play decent survivors, the sooner you realize how the game actually is.
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Also, you are a purple rank playing red ranks, this kind of makes sense right, you want to move up out of purple into red, so you have to play reds. It's a different story if its a white, yellow, or maybe green rank killer against four rank 1s, but even then what I said above still applies, to an extent.
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Clearly you didn't read what I had said. When the match started I was still green. I actually don't know how the hell I managed to level up coming out of this because at no point was the power balance within my control. But even if I was a rank 8 going in to this, there's still 7 levels of difference between them and me, not counting the actual hours spent playing the game in which case I know I've lost on that front as well.
Again, what in the hell could I have come away learning from a match where rank 1 survivors who are potentially on comms, are literally bouncing between flashlight and body saves just because they could. I had all four of them surrounding me and jumping in and out of chases because they could. It's not like they were playing the actual objectives and working on gens or anything. No they were wasting time just screwing with me and then tossed a pity kill my way.
The only thing I learned from this match is that the matchmaking system is busted all to hell. The white belt vs black belt scenario is exactly what happened here because I was just outmatched in every way.
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Well, maybe the mmr-sytem will fix it. But it could be that there are fewer killer and they have only the choice between really long matchmaking time for red rank survivor and this.
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"What could I have come away learning from a match where rank 1 survivors potentially on comms are bounding between flashlight and body saves because they could"
So you are basically saying there is nothing you could learn in this match.
This means one of two things:
- You are already a perfect player at the game and didn't make a single mistake that match and just lost to a perfect SWF
- You did make mistakes but have not been able to recall them for whatever reason
If point 1, then this thread is really a complaint about SWF no? Because you couldn't have lost the game due to your own mistake. But it's obviously not point 1 as you are claiming these people are better than you, due to your complaint about the ranking system, so you musn't be a perfect DBD player just yet.
If point 2, then re-read my post, you missed the bit where I said with focus and a bit of patience you can learn something from every single defeat.
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You're completely missing what I am saying. I have barely played this game for over a month. I know that I am the farthest thing from a good player on this game. There is still a lot that I need to learn about when it comes to what are good loops, what are bad loops, when to tunnel, when not to tunnel, etc. Hell I just learned what slugging actually means this week, before I thought slugging was just when you run around and just smack survivors over and over, cus I thought slugging like a boxing match throwing punches, not slugging literally being on the floor like a slug. I know there is a lot that I can learn from this game. But when I am in a game where I am just getting rolled and toyed with by a rank 1 SWF team who are decked and kitted out to handle everything, what do I learn from that? In that scenario they have complete control of everything and the match ends on their terms when they want it. I would rather play people around or even slightly above my skill level so that I can at least learn something and have some fun in the process. The reverse is also true, and I have said this before, when I am paired against potato ranks who I end up steamrolling over. I don't like matches like that either, regardless of the easy 4k. I don't care about getting 4ks, I am fine with getting like 2ks or hell I'll be happy with 1k if the match was a really good one. My main goal is to have some fun because at the end of the day, this is a video game after all. Being in matches where you are being steamrolled or doing the steamrolling isn't fun, it's just a waste of time and good add-ons, which I don't have a lot of on most of my killers cus outside of 5 of them, they're all under lvl 40 and I'm still trying to learn most of them and unlock their perks.
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No I'm pretty sure I get your point, I've only been playing this game for about half a year, so I've gone through the pain of being a new Killer and getting to red ranks.
The problem is we need 4 survivors for every 1 Killer, so already there is a pressure on getting games for survivors. On top of that, there is a widespread belief that Killer is no fun at high ranks (I wonder why?), so at the red ranks there is a big imbalance of available Killers for Survivors.
This leads to what you are observing, with red rank survivors being put into games with Killers they should not be. Literally the only other alternative to that is to have them wait 20+ minutes for every match, as there are simply not enough good Killers.
If you go watch streamers you will even see SWFs handing streamers their own arse quite often. The game is SWF sided, you are just discovering this now. There are mistakes you can minimize, but at the end of the day, if a SWF executes their gameplan perfectly, you are more than likely to lose. That's a problem with the game balance itself, and the sooner you realise this the better I suppose.
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It's a real issue. There obviously aren't enough killers that play at higher ranks. New people try killer, get completely mismatched every other game, then they get sick of it and stop playing or they switch to survivor which makes it even harder to find even matches for new killer players.
Lots of people say suck it up and take it as a learning experience. But, a lot of people don't see this particular game as some major investment. They want to play casually and have some fun. Getting rolled by much higher skilled players isn't fun for most especially when they toy with you and do everything to rub the loss in your face.
If you play survivor and get smoked, you can laugh it off with your friends. Get smoked as killer, and you're alone being made fun of. I suck it up because I have no friends and I'm used to people making fun of me.
Try not to let it get to you too much, and if it does you can play more survivor. My one buddy that comes over occasionally refuses to play killer like it's the plague (no pun intended).
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