Needing to slug for the 4k is getting so boring.

I mean you should put the guy on the hook as now they need to fail skillchecks t get sacrificed, Slugging is one of the best game strategies but is it really worth for you, I mean if you are slugging and you sacrificed 2 guys and there are 2 gens missing I really dont think that you are slugging the right way or you slugged the hole match, slugging doesnt give you pips and if you slugg at some point there will be no survivors at gens or 1 only survivor at gen, if there is only one survivor at a gen you should be able to slowdown their game, and so if their game is slowed down you can easily get the 3k without the hatch even appearing as a snowball, I dont want to seem like guy that is annoying by criticizing your way to play, all I am trying to say is that slugging the 3 survivor and trying to find the 4 one isnt a good idea if the hatch hasnt spawned, and if the hatch has spawned you had a difficult early game or maybe you got a SWF, either way is difficult to have a comeback if your early game was bad, so I something to offer you, I usually use Spirit with Stridor, Ruin, Tinkerer, Thrilling Tremors, slugg is only necessary if you had a really defficult early game or you started to snow ball the survivors, Slugging isnt necessary in this build as you are probably not gonna pass 1 gen done. I really hope that helped you :) Peace Out

That does NOT guarantee that you are gonna have 4k on every match as its not a cake recipe or the memorized hatch spawn locations, as Spirit you have more speed than other killers to find the hatch only loosing to Nurse when the hatch is at the top of a little mountain as she can just blink and ignore the mountain that the survivor has to follow. Either way you shouldnt try to 4k every game, that doesnt make your game any funnier or any happier, but make your choice, Fun or 4k every game.

There's 2 things I'd like to see changed that would stop this:

1) A "give up" option if you're slugged for over a minute straight, the ability to make your bleedout bar tick 4x as fast, or something similar.

2) Better baseline anti-stealth for killer. By this I mean crows appearing on a survivor if they do nothing to progress the game for a while. If they're good enough at hiding on a huge map and don't do objectives it can take the killer forever to find them because the crows just aren't good enough.

So don't?

I don't think anything like that will ever happen. The game was originally intended to be a hide-and-seek game. While it is far from that now, if you look at the mechanics through that kind of lens, you can see where some mechanics make a bit more sense than they otherwise would. I honestly feel that some of the gameplay design team want to keep this playstyle in the game, and therefor won't outright punish it regardless of how detrimental it can feel to anyone else. Passive stealth isn't just a playstyle that is available, it was originally a major point of the game, and will always remain a supported playstyle by the design team.

I could be wrong, they could change their minds, but it seems like someone is keeping the torch lit on the dev team for the originally intended playstyle of the game.

I've always been of the opinion:

If you need to slug for 4k's, you suck at getting 4k's. There is an exception tho, where you instantly find the other survivor and then are slugging to keep your momentum. But if there is no other survivor within any observation(infectious fright, footsteps, breathing, coughing, actually seeing or hearing them), slugging is just admitting you cant get a 4k.

So, again in my opinion: slug for 4k<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<3k+gate escape<3k+hatch<3k+gifted hatch/actual 4k

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Well that's why I don't slug for the 4k. What usually happens in my games is if there's a really good survivor, I want them to escape through the hatch because they 100% earned it, or if everybody just sucks, I can usually find them with BBQ before the hatch becomes an issue.

Nobody is forcing you to slug. If you care so much about the difference between a 4 and a 3, then just put in the work and earn it. The game gives you all the tools to do it and it's nowhere like the old hatch stand-offs, which were legitimately stalemates.

You have all the power to end the game to your liking.

In your viewpoint, maybe -- but for many, if not most people, that's simply not true.

Even in Otzdarva's 50 win streaks, he counted games where he let someone out via the hatch as a "win". Maybe you should jump in his chat and tell him how so many of his wins were actually "losses" and he apparently did a bad job since someone left the match alive, lol. 🙄

I've had many matches where I've had 3 survivors dead at the 3-4-5 gen mark, and before I could get to it, the hatch literally spawned next to the last remaining survivor who escaped. In every one of those matches, I likely played well, pipped up, and took that as an easy "win" (if you can even define what "winning" is -- for every player, it's a different standard). If your only "win" condition is a 4K -- well, you're going to find this game pretty disappointing then.

I can't speak for everyone but I don't think getting a 4K is the only way to win in this game. Maybe you feel it's 4K or you have lost but I don't feel that way at all.

But even if I were to agree to that condition, I'd rather lose a game letting 1 person get away rather than win but needing to spend (at least) 4 more minutes in a game that is effectively over. I value my time a lot more than some arbitrary win condition.

Imagine wasting time by slugging when you could already be in your next match earning blood points.

Unless you know where the last survivor is, slugging for the 4k isn't worth the time and effort.

What you get for killing four people over three:

• 2,500 devious points (Score Event - No One Escaped)
• 700 sacrifice points
• 2 devout emblem points

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Unless you really care about those points (whose categories you can max without it, except maybe sacrifice), and/or the emblem points (won't matter if you're max rank), there's no other reason to 4k other than personal satisfaction.

I personally never think it's worth prolonging a game to ruin my own and others player experience to force such meager rewards - especially when I know I've already won. I'd much rather just end things quickly and coin-flip if they get hatch or not. I never understand people who slug for it, and assume they just really need the ego boost from the satisfaction of killing four.

I agree it’s boring for the killer, but probably this mechanic won’t change. I would not care much for the hatch escapes, if it was not accompanied by teabagging on hatch and EZ in comments afterwards. But probably survivors should actually earn their escapes by completing their objective, not get out for free because killer felt bored to slug. Just slug more for 4k, you’ll get used to it and learn how to find them quicker. They also feel bored when hiding, at some point they may just give up.

If I know where the hatch is ill hook the survivor. If not ill slug until I find them or the hatch. Ill hook the 3rd person if they are close to bleeding out though. I really like my blood points. Most of the time though the survivor who did nothing the entire is usually the one hiding in a corner from my experience.

Had a Nemesis do this on the PTB. I was slugged and he hunted for a Jill. He got her. He refused to hook her till he could find the me again, but he couldn't. So he camped the hatch and waited for her to bleed out. Then stomped the hatch and waited for me to bleed out. I mean how pitiful can one be to be scared to not 4K in DBD... let alone the PTB?

The 4K privilege outlook needs to go away, but it won't. Just like how SWF group will scream at you when you kill their TTV cause they think their "leader" should escape.