Doctor + Iron Maiden
Cause finding people wasn't easy enough on him. Now his supposed counter can be completely shut down. lol
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What's Iron Maiden?
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Iron Maiden doesn't effect your ability to be good at the game though.18
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@Tzeentchling9 said:
Iron Maiden doesn't effect your ability to be good at the game though.LOL if you think walking around waiting for people to scream in order to find them takes skill then your delusional. The only counter to doc was hopping in a locker, now there is no counter except looping which is dumb and you know it. Of-course we'll have to wait and see how it plays out on the live build but it looks like doc just got a whole lot stronger with no real counterplay.
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Didn't even think about it, but iron maiden will be a great perk for Doc.
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An overrated heavy metal band.ReneAensland said:What's Iron Maiden?
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lol
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Could we talk about Nurse with Iron Maiden on High Ranks. Jump in Lockers to make her miss, get oneshot.
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@Killmaster said:
@Tzeentchling9 said:
Iron Maiden doesn't effect your ability to be good at the game though.LOL if you think walking around waiting for people to scream in order to find them takes skill then your delusional. The only counter to doc was hopping in a locker, now there is no counter except looping which is dumb and you know it. Of-course we'll have to wait and see how it plays out on the live build but it looks like doc just got a whole lot stronger with no real counterplay.
Use Calm Spirit, 80% chance to not scream with level 1 and 100% at level 3. Doctor was one of the only killers I could never survive against until I started running it.
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False.Vietfox said:
An overrated heavy metal band.ReneAensland said:What's Iron Maiden?
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@CarpemortumCarpemortum said:
False.Vietfox said:
An overrated heavy metal band.ReneAensland said:What's Iron Maiden?
I know they are not the same, but deep purple, skid row, bad company, extreme and many more are better.0 -
Deep purple is ok, but rather mainstream imo. The rest, absolutely, but they're more thrash hair metal, and iron maiden is a very, british rock opera metal kind of feel. Like I know how that sounds, but their songs, and some albums, carry stories that are just epic, with the music to match.Vietfox said:
@CarpemortumCarpemortum said:
False.Vietfox said:
An overrated heavy metal band.ReneAensland said:What's Iron Maiden?
I know they are not the same, but deep purple, skid row, bad company, extreme and many more are better.
But if trying to say they're hair metal? Yeah no. I'd see the issue lol.0 -
No no, smoke on the water is mainstream, but the song "Burn" from Deep Purple is the best rock song ever made.Carpemortum said:
Deep purple is ok, but rather mainstream imo. The rest, absolutely, but they're more thrash hair metal, and iron maiden is a very, british rock opera metal kind of feel. Like I know how that sounds, but their songs, and some albums, carry stories that are just epic, with the music to match.Vietfox said:
@CarpemortumCarpemortum said:
False.Vietfox said:
An overrated heavy metal band.ReneAensland said:What's Iron Maiden?
I know they are not the same, but deep purple, skid row, bad company, extreme and many more are better.
But if trying to say they're hair metal? Yeah no. I'd see the issue lol.0 -
Best? Oh no....no no....good yes. Best? Impossible to say. So many limbs of the rock tree.Vietfox said:
No no, smoke on the water is mainstream, but the song "Burn" from Deep Purple is the best rock song ever made.Carpemortum said:
Deep purple is ok, but rather mainstream imo. The rest, absolutely, but they're more thrash hair metal, and iron maiden is a very, british rock opera metal kind of feel. Like I know how that sounds, but their songs, and some albums, carry stories that are just epic, with the music to match.Vietfox said:
@CarpemortumCarpemortum said:
False.Vietfox said:
An overrated heavy metal band.ReneAensland said:What's Iron Maiden?
I know they are not the same, but deep purple, skid row, bad company, extreme and many more are better.
But if trying to say they're hair metal? Yeah no. I'd see the issue lol.
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Naturally, some Perks are gonna be better for some Killers.
Movement Killers profit the most of B&C.
Distressing is always a nice buff on Doctor.
Hag can be truly dangerous with Make Your Choice.
Etc. etc.0 -
OMGZOR!!! He's right! They should either nerf this completely overpowered perk or delete the doctor altogether before the next patch! This one perk will totally nullify the ONE weakness that the doctor has! Now your only option is to run away! And we all already know that the d0ctor is a top tier chase killer! Screw it! I'll just delete the game from my hard drive before the Doctor meta begins!!1
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Omg
BBQ & Chili, Iron Maiden, Enduring and Ruin is just wrecking SWF right now!1 -
Distressing, Unnerving Presence, Iron Maiden, and Ruin. 😨0
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Iron Maiden.Description
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30 % 40 % 50 % You open Lockers IconHelp lockers.png 30/40/50 % faster.
Survivors who exit Lockers suffer from the Exposed IconStatusEffects exposed.png Status Effect for 15 seconds and their location is revealed for 4 seconds."This is no place for cowards." — The Legion
Unique to The Legion until Level 40, at which point its Teachable version can then be learned and taught to the other Killers
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@Killmaster said:
@Tzeentchling9 said:
Iron Maiden doesn't effect your ability to be good at the game though.LOL if you think walking around waiting for people to scream in order to find them takes skill then your delusional. The only counter to doc was hopping in a locker, now there is no counter except looping which is dumb and you know it. Of-course we'll have to wait and see how it plays out on the live build but it looks like doc just got a whole lot stronger with no real counterplay.
just loop him lol
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Does Iron Maiden notify the killer with a sound or just a visual?0
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Visual and sound both. Like the scream from Madness when you're playing doctor.brokedownpalace said:Does Iron Maiden notify the killer with a sound or just a visual?0 -
@Khalednazari said:
brokedownpalace said:Does Iron Maiden notify the killer with a sound or just a visual?
Visual and sound both. Like the scream from Madness when you're playing doctor.
So, calm spirit will counter notification? Or only scream?
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People overestimate the tracking of the static field. The victims only scream once in a while and NC works in any mode.
But after some time with Distressing up and running they just heal wherever, because they can't judge if the Doc is really near or not.
And you can see them trying to snap out and interrupt it to keep them in madness 3.
So you see them while you chase other and can switch targets and keep the pressure.
It helped me a lot and I think any Doc not using it, is doing it wrong.0 -
To be fair OP has a point.
The hide in lockers was a mechanic against the Doctor. It was part of the design. Now it's removed because....?
Makes little sense.
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@The_Crusader said:
To be fair OP has a point.The hide in lockers was a mechanic against the Doctor. It was part of the design. Now it's removed because....?
Makes little sense.
It is not "removed", the killer got a perk to counter it, just like survivor got Calm Spirit buffed.
Calm Spirit counters the mechanic of the Doctor, so this is only fair.2 -
But barely anyone takes calm spirit because its useless against most killersWolf74 said:@The_Crusader said:
To be fair OP has a point.The hide in lockers was a mechanic against the Doctor. It was part of the design. Now it's removed because....?
Makes little sense.
It is not "removed", the killer got a perk to counter it, just like survivor got Calm Spirit buffed.
Calm Spirit counters the mechanic of the Doctor, so this is only fair.
Meanwhile most Docs are gonna want this.0 -
I'm not sure.Rattman said:So, calm spirit will counter notification? Or only scream?
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@The_Crusader said:
Wolf74 said:@The_Crusader said:
To be fair OP has a point.
The hide in lockers was a mechanic against the Doctor. It was part of the design. Now it's removed because....?
Makes little sense.
It is not "removed", the killer got a perk to counter it, just like survivor got Calm Spirit buffed.
Calm Spirit counters the mechanic of the Doctor, so this is only fair.
But barely anyone takes calm spirit because its useless against most killers
Meanwhile most Docs are gonna want this.
So a counter on survivor side is garbage?
But a counter on killer side is overpowered?
Ok, totally Gotcha.doublestandards
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Why do you get in a mood everytime I take survivor side?Wolf74 said:@The_Crusader said:
Wolf74 said:@The_Crusader said:
To be fair OP has a point.
The hide in lockers was a mechanic against the Doctor. It was part of the design. Now it's removed because....?
Makes little sense.
It is not "removed", the killer got a perk to counter it, just like survivor got Calm Spirit buffed.
Calm Spirit counters the mechanic of the Doctor, so this is only fair.
But barely anyone takes calm spirit because its useless against most killers
Meanwhile most Docs are gonna want this.
So a counter on survivor side is garbage?
But a counter on killer side is overpowered?
Ok, totally Gotcha.doublestandards
I'm not fussed because I think Doc is a weak killer. However it's bizarre that the mechanics of him (in his radius your madness increases, but you can hide in lockers to counter it) has now been removed. It's a very strange design decision.
From day 1 everyone has assumed this will be a popular perk for Doctors because it makes sense.
Calm spirit isn't a popular perk for survivors because its only really useful against the Doc (no clown doesn't count).
If this was a discussion about using Iron Will to counter spirit then I would agree with you, because that perk counters spirit and nurse - two very strong killers - but its also incredibly useful against any killer so its common to take.
Nobody is going to be taking calm spirit ubless they know they're going against the Doc....which doesn't happen.
I just find it a strange design choice. You design a killer with a counter to their mechanic and then allow the killer to completely negate that. That's not how videogamed are designed.
The perk helps huntress but it doesn't avoid the fact that her weakness is still needing to go reload at lockers in the first place.0 -
lets be honest here:
doc is pretty much the only killer who can make use out of this perk by eliminating one of his counter plays.like, as soon as you leave a locker once you are notified that the killer runs it by giving you the exposed status effect, so you will probaply never go in a locker ever again in this trial. if you are in a SWF group, no one will go in a locker anymore.
this perk is too weak to even be a threat, so you will see literally no one use this perk in competetive and serious rounds.
i can see this perk being used in troll builds though...0 -
@The_Crusader said:
. That's not how videogamed are designed.
Welcome to Dead by daylight.
Any other game would balance the game top down.
That's how videogames are designed.
DbD ist the only videogame I know that balance for low ranks.0 -
@MrDardon said:
Could we talk about Nurse with Iron Maiden on High Ranks. Jump in Lockers to make her miss, get oneshot.Omg I never thought about that for all killers, screw you survivors who try and block hits by quickly jumping in lockers XD
(even tho it didn't work well anyways :P)
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Iron maiden is useless unless it's on nurse or billy, maybe wraith with certain addons. And who cares about madness? Just snap out of it.
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NC affects "Snap out of it" action. Doctor have the most profit among all killers by using this perk.
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@Mister_xD said:
lets be honest here:
doc is pretty much the only killer who can make use out of this perk by eliminating one of his counter plays.like, as soon as you leave a locker once you are notified that the killer runs it by giving you the exposed status effect, so you will probaply never go in a locker ever again in this trial. if you are in a SWF group, no one will go in a locker anymore.
this perk is too weak to even be a threat, so you will see literally no one use this perk in competetive and serious rounds.
i can see this perk being used in troll builds though...This basically ^^
It's a highly situational perk that will basically never be used or be worth a perk slot bar troll builds/maybe doctor.
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@Blueberry said:
@Mister_xD said:
lets be honest here:
doc is pretty much the only killer who can make use out of this perk by eliminating one of his counter plays.like, as soon as you leave a locker once you are notified that the killer runs it by giving you the exposed status effect, so you will probaply never go in a locker ever again in this trial. if you are in a SWF group, no one will go in a locker anymore.
this perk is too weak to even be a threat, so you will see literally no one use this perk in competetive and serious rounds.
i can see this perk being used in troll builds though...This basically ^^
It's a highly situational perk that will basically never be used or be worth a perk slot bar troll builds/maybe doctor.
Two-fold issue: The perk is broken with the Doctor (like BBQ & Chili is with Hillbilly), or the Doctor is broken with the perk.
And lockers are otherwise not very valuable against everyone else.
So, either lockers must change, or/and Doctor must change in tandem.
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@Eninya said:
@Blueberry said:
@Mister_xD said:
lets be honest here:
doc is pretty much the only killer who can make use out of this perk by eliminating one of his counter plays.like, as soon as you leave a locker once you are notified that the killer runs it by giving you the exposed status effect, so you will probaply never go in a locker ever again in this trial. if you are in a SWF group, no one will go in a locker anymore.
this perk is too weak to even be a threat, so you will see literally no one use this perk in competetive and serious rounds.
i can see this perk being used in troll builds though...This basically ^^
It's a highly situational perk that will basically never be used or be worth a perk slot bar troll builds/maybe doctor.
Two-fold issue: The perk is broken with the Doctor (like BBQ & Chili is with Hillbilly), or the Doctor is broken with the perk.
And lockers are otherwise not very valuable against everyone else.
So, either lockers must change, or/and Doctor must change in tandem.
I really doubt this perk on the doctor will be broken. Maybe just wait until the patch releases and then we'll see. I just can't believe that people actually go into lockers that often when facing doctor that this perk would become more effective on doc than any other perk.
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Excuse me but calm spirit assista with countering the doctorKillmaster said:@Tzeentchling9 said:
Iron Maiden doesn't effect your ability to be good at the game though.LOL if you think walking around waiting for people to scream in order to find them takes skill then your delusional. The only counter to doc was hopping in a locker, now there is no counter except looping which is dumb and you know it. Of-course we'll have to wait and see how it plays out on the live build but it looks like doc just got a whole lot stronger with no real counterplay.
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@Eninya said:
@Blueberry said:
@Mister_xD said:
lets be honest here:
doc is pretty much the only killer who can make use out of this perk by eliminating one of his counter plays.like, as soon as you leave a locker once you are notified that the killer runs it by giving you the exposed status effect, so you will probaply never go in a locker ever again in this trial. if you are in a SWF group, no one will go in a locker anymore.
this perk is too weak to even be a threat, so you will see literally no one use this perk in competetive and serious rounds.
i can see this perk being used in troll builds though...This basically ^^
It's a highly situational perk that will basically never be used or be worth a perk slot bar troll builds/maybe doctor.
Two-fold issue: The perk is broken with the Doctor (like BBQ & Chili is with Hillbilly), or the Doctor is broken with the perk.
And lockers are otherwise not very valuable against everyone else.
So, either lockers must change, or/and Doctor must change in tandem.
It's not broken with doctor whatsoever. Heck I probably wouldn't even run it on doctor myself. The locker is just preventing you from getting found. Once they see the debuff and that the doctor has Iron Maiden they will stop using lockers. You don't need lockers when you can just loop.
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Iron Maiden will work once or twice before Survivors stop using lockers and start looping. There's no problem here at all.
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