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What is considered by "Holding the game hostage?"
I'm extremely confused what's considered holding the game hostage. I was under the assumption holding the game hostage is 2 survivors refusing to do gens or die as a result of the game going on indefinately.
To give some context, I was playing Billy with deerstalker. I hooked a few survivors but realized that the only way I was going to get anywhere was to slug hard, so I did. It resulted in 3 survivors bleeding out and one escaping. The one escaping accused me of holding the game hostage. He didn't explain himself further but by reporting me and that was it.
Did I do something wrong? Should I change my behavior? Any input would be appreciated.
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Holding the game hostage is doing something that unreasonably stops the game from being played.
So slugging is not as worst case scenario, they sit there for four minutes until they bleed out.
Blocking someone in the corner and not allowing them to leave is taking the game hostage however as the person stuck can never escape.
That makes sense the difference?
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Idk just don't be a dick at it's core. If you don't think you are one then keep on going
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Holding the game hostage is:
- Survivors not progressing the game by not doing generators, not activating the gate and instead hiding all game, bodyblocking other survivors into a corner, etc.
- Killers not progressing the game by slugging all 4 and watching everyone bleed out (not trying to look for/hook anybody), bodyblocking other survivors into a corner, etc.
You weren't holding the game hostage. Slugging is an important factor that can sometimes determine a win or loss. As long as you were actively trying to chase somebody else for the 4 instead of watching the survivors bleed out, you're fine.
Edit: Bold is personal opinion, since I'm still getting flack for it.
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That is sort of what I did because when a survivor was healing one that was downed, I downed them and chased the other, making the game go on pretty long. Deerstalker alerted me when survivors were being healed. Can you explain further?
Because slugging 4 survivors doesn't hold the game hostage. It just makes the game go on longer.
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There's a difference between actively trying to down everybody and eventually hook them rather than downing everybody and watching them die. One is trying to secure a 4K (because you plan to hook) and one is dragging out the game longer than it has to be (standing over their body and watching them die).
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Either way you look at it though, the game being held hostage means the game never ends. I didn't actively hook anyone because I didn't want anyone to escape. Their bleedout timers make the game not going on indefinately, therefore it's not being held hostage. So what I did wasn't wrong then, reading the fine print of the rules.
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this post reminds me anyone remember when the top of Thompson house had no window or floor holes so the killer could hold the game hostage in the above area
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That is true. It isn't truly holding the game hostage as per the rules but by my own definition, if you're purposely making the game longer with aggressive intentions then it is holding the game hostage.
Either way though, what you did wasn't wrong.
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Thanks for the input. Glad to know the guy reporting me was just angry of my tactics.
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The simple answer is that it is not clearly defined by the developers and people are telling you what they think. The devs have said that they make a determination with live staff based on evidence and encourage players to submit any supporting screenshots or videos, as it helps, if you have it.
People get frustrated with the game and have poor perceptions. Stay positive and just try not to be part of the problem, then hook the problems and sacrifice them to the entity :)
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Better get used to that because every match there's going to be something you did wrong according to them lol
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Way ahead of you, man.
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We've suffered for long enough😔
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Killers not progressing the game by slugging all 4 and watching everyone bleed out (not trying to look for/hook anybody), bodyblocking other survivors into a corner, etc.
Slugging all the survivors and letting them bleed out is not holding the game hostage.
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^^^
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OP was clearly asking about actual game rules, though. Please don't "muddy the waters", as it were. If you're going to give your opinion, be explicit in the comment where you give your opinion, not several comments afterward, as people will get the wrong impression.
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Holding the game hostage means it CAN'T end. Slugging people to death has a 4 minute timer, meaning that it's not holding it hostage.
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Incase you didn't see, about halfway into the discussion I realized that it was a personal opinion and corrected myself. Unless you wanted me to edit my original reply, then it isn't my fault you didn't look into the full conversation to see that.
Cut my head off more, will ya?
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Incase you didn't see, about halfway into the discussion I realized that it was a personal opinion and corrected myself. Unless you wanted me to edit my original reply, then it isn't my fault you didn't look into the full conversation to see that.
Yes, I do want you to edit your original reply. Most people aren't going to read an entire discussion thread that branches off into multiple conversations between the OP and individual users, plus among individual users themselves. If your goal wasn't to deceive, then it's a simple fix.
Cut my head off more, will ya?
The goal was to point out that it wasn't just me not having read the entire thread. Apparently, it didn't make my point clear enough, since you still blame me for not reading all the replies.
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Survivors hold the game hostage WAYYYYY more than Killers do, by the way. How many times have they all stayed at the exit gates until the last second, for literally no other reason than wanting YOU to see THEM teabagging you?
This is no more holding the game hostage than slugging, just for the record.
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I'd call it more.
Slugging is a strategy that you literally HAVE to use if you expect Decisive Strike. And it's a strategy that you SHOULD use if you downed a Surv, and then there's another great opportunity for you that you'll miss out on if you grab the downed Surv.
However, idling at the opened exit gates as the entire Survivor roster, fully healed and nothing to accomplish remaining in the game, but still standing there for the entire duration of the end game timer just because you want to BM the Killer...
That is objectively way more "holding the game hostage" than strategically slugging. Because idling at the exit gates has literally zero in-game functionality to it. Zero strategical purpose. It is literally intended to drag the game out. The game which has already ended.
This isn't even a discussion.
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You're right, it's not a discussion because neither of those things is holding the game hostage. Just because it's annoying and/or delays the end of the trial by a small amount doesn't mean it's holding the game hostage.
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I figured since the thread wasn't long when I had corrected myself that I wouldn't have to edit my reply. It was a simple question that required a simple answer.
However, I just did. Hopefully that made you happy?
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Very. Thank you.
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I didn't want this thread to be spreaded out into a fight. Can we not? It was a simple question and it was resolved. Thank you Karao_Ke
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I could probably just say whatever and agree to this. But I do certainly think that you have way too strict of a definition of what holding a game hostage is.
Hostage situations aren't eternal. Your definition that it must be indefinite is kind of disingenuous. If you see what I'm saying.
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It's the devs' definition, which is what matters. I'm not being disingenuous, just trying to give factual (non-opinion based) information.
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Alright, well, oh well I guess.
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Regular slugging until bleed out is not reportable.
Slugging where it's last survivor that you have in a dead zone, having them wiggle free, downing them, bringing them back to deadzone over over over so they can't die and can't escape for extended period of time would be griefing them by holding the game hostage because you're preventing the game from ending for that player.
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Does anyone think it's weird that the rules say you can't hold the game hostage, but then they never specify what that means? Like, we've heard bits and pieces about specific scenarios, but this question keeps coming up over and over as new people enter the game -- and I think it's reasonable. You obviously want to know what's against the rules. But all we've got is folklore and screencaps of things various mods said X number of years ago.
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For the record, I am not a new player. I played the game ever since the game was in beta. If you saw my screenshot, you would've seen that I have had over 2k hours in the game.
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