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So, have the devs yet been able to name one of those mysterious occasions for scummy playing?

This is NOT a question to the community, I don't care why you think tunneling, camping and slugging and generally skill-deprieved scummy playing are 'sometimes necessary' (because you made it abundantly clear it's cause you can't stand the idea of losing A GAME. or better the idea of not winning it in the most humiliating way for your opponents).


I'd like to know if the devs have yet been able to NAME one of the ominous occasions in which that crap is 'necessary'.

Objectively necessary.

So no whining about not wanting to depip, no whining about losing a match, no nothing. And objective, justified reason that would make it 'necessary'

Comments

  • WexlerWendigo
    WexlerWendigo Member Posts: 1,867

    How is slugging on the same level as tunnelling or camping?

  • Sonzaishinai
    Sonzaishinai Member Posts: 7,976

    What? The devs have stated multiple times that camping and tunneling is fine and part of the game.

    They try to persuade people into different playstyle with perks sometimes but it's pretty clear they want it to be part of the game

    Perks like deerstalker, infectious fright and knockout also clearly show that slugging is intended.

    You can make up excuses for yourself and call those tactics scummy but they are clearly meant to be part of the game

  • Hex_Ignored
    Hex_Ignored Member Posts: 2,223

    So quick anecdote. I was playing blight and hooked a David. Before I could even turn away a meghead unhooked the David right in front of me without bt. What should I have done in this situation?

    A. Slugging the David and going after the meghead because stupidity needs to be punished

    B. Immediately rehook the David and let the meghead run so she can farm her other teammates later

    C. None of the above because obviously that would make me a trash player that doesn't know how to play the game. The logical thing to do is just standing there and letting them both walk away like nothing happend

  • MadLordJack
    MadLordJack Member Posts: 8,814

    As with tunneling and camping, some people take it to excess and that's what people complain about.

  • MeltingPenguins
    MeltingPenguins Member Posts: 3,742

    Yeah.

    Alright, I should add that, yes, there is a lot of anger in the initial post. Because over the last two days alone I have run into so many <100 hour gameplay high ranks with no indicator that they played on console before, who ALL without any exception been tunneling and camping from the get go, and at least half (!) of them slugged before the first gen popped.

    That's how they got to high ranks.

  • WexlerWendigo
    WexlerWendigo Member Posts: 1,867

    As someone who has an issue with facecamping being allowed, I fail to see any issue with slugging? There are many anti-slugging perks in the game, and slugging too much is a great way to lose if the killer doesn’t know what they’re doing.

  • MadLordJack
    MadLordJack Member Posts: 8,814

    Actually, you've almost hit the nail in the head there, because in actual fact the only real counterplay to slugging is perks. However, leaving one or two people on the ground in the middle of a snowball isn't what people are complaining about, it's the genuinely excessive stuff. Bleed-outs, solo-bullying perks, etc.

  • FreakPrince
    FreakPrince Member Posts: 526

    And there's nothing wrong with that. Everybody wants do win.

  • justbecause
    justbecause Member Posts: 1,521

    Don't listen to this double standard this forum is it's clearly killer biashed tunelling and camping isn't strategy and never will be devs can say it all they want they also said dead hard is fine yet we have daily spam threads of nerf dead hard by the killer mains they also saw nothing wrong with ds in 4 years and nerfed it just now when community went hardcore spamming with threads to nerf ds...rn we have all these nerf swf threads and by devs not reacting to it they think swf is legit and fair however it won't stop killer mains for crying daily for swf nerf so anyone telling u excuse "devs said it's legit" is just trying to find the excuse for their role I'm playing both roles and I'm not afraid to call out bs on both sides

  • PureDoctorMain
    PureDoctorMain Member Posts: 341

    "This is NOT a question to the community, I don't care why you think tunneling, camping and slugging and generally skill-deprieved scummy playing are 'sometimes necessary' (because you made it abundantly clear it's cause you can't stand the idea of losing A GAME. or better the idea of not winning it in the most humiliating way for your opponents)."


    Why did you post this exactly if this is not a thing for the community to answer? There are places for things like this not that you'll get an answer you want but there is no point to having it here y'know its just a waste of space no offence.

  • MeltingPenguins
    MeltingPenguins Member Posts: 3,742
    edited June 2021

    Didn't.... was it Tru3 or Pug?... once test out how many points/pips you can get as killer by slugging at the start, hooking and camping two, getting chase- and genkickpoints from the others (cause one of them will very likely have UB) then slugging one of them again, getting more chasepoints before hooking and camping both? and the result was merciless killer with almost a perfect match?


    in the sense of 'I don't want to know what the community thinks bout tunneling etc, I want to know if the devs have yet named an occasion'

  • MadLordJack
    MadLordJack Member Posts: 8,814

    Given Tru3's borderline obession with 12-hooking and being right about the pip system, I don't really think it was him.

  • MeltingPenguins
    MeltingPenguins Member Posts: 3,742

    Really trying to remember who did it, though. Cause seriously, if you can get the game to 'think' you did perfectly by playing like that... either system, the ranks and the mmr one are pointless

  • Vyne456
    Vyne456 Member Posts: 848

    Trevor: You need a hug?

    Trevor hugs Johnny closely

    Trevor stomps on Johnny's head viciously

    Trevor: Get the [BAD WORD] up.

    Johnny still died from a dent in his head.

  • The_Krapper
    The_Krapper Member Posts: 3,259

    Well I guess because I paid 20 dollars for the game so I can do whatever the hell I want on there, in fact I might just run an exit gate nurse build next because why not? Insidious, NOED, Bloodwarden, Infectious Fright just blink behind the gate and wait to be summoned

  • Mr_K
    Mr_K Member Posts: 10,342

    So you down a survivor and another is within clear view. Are you saying to ignore that survivor and pick up the slug?

  • justbecause
    justbecause Member Posts: 1,521

    Nobody is talking about add ons and perks here but mechanic that is abused to be toxic and not when it's needed if u payed 20 dollars to stare at hook and not press single button or refuse to play well what a waste of money

  • Marik13
    Marik13 Member Posts: 683

    Actually you pick up the survivor and let the Dwight hiding behind the rock to your left come in and blind you with a flashlight. It's the honorable thing to do *nod nod*.

  • TheStabbiNAngeL
    TheStabbiNAngeL Member Posts: 1,264

     it abundantly clear it's cause you can't stand the idea of losing A GAME. or better the idea of not winning it

    hey wouldn't this also apply to you

  • BuddhaBing
    BuddhaBing Member Posts: 248

    "Why won't people play the way I want them to? If they don't throw the game for me then I might LOSE! The only reason they might do that is because THEY can't stand the idea of losing!"

    Did I summarize your post well enough?

  • Guest1567432
    Guest1567432 Member Posts: 728

    Just wait till they put auto ban into the game...OHHHHH BOY.

  • Dustin
    Dustin Member Posts: 2,419
    edited June 2021

    As Killer is my primarily role I'll outright tell you.

    tf you think I'm gonna do let you just waltz in like you own the place and unhook someone in front of me like you think I'm going to give you a hi5 as I do a victory lap around the map for my hook? No I'm going to punish every decision you make and I don't give a ######### how much fun you're having. Chances are you could care less about my fun so get over it.

    You unhooked someone in front of me? I'm punishing both of you by tunneling the unhooked survivor.

    You continue to work on a generator in my presence after I down someone? I'm slugging all of you.

    You hover around the area thinking you can just freely unhook people without any repercussions? I'm camping.

    I could care less how much fun the survivor is having. Respect my presence and you won't have a bad time. Disrespect my presence and I'm going to remind you how fun it is to eat dirt for four minutes until you bleed out. Also before you think that's unfair and unbalanced here's a fun fact. Every single instance I've mentioned has a counter. You should adapt to your surroundings instead of thinking you can do the same thing every single game and win. I'm going to do everything I can to win and if that conveniently means you're not having fun then I guess you better adapt.

    Also if you haven't figured out how these things are necessary I'll give you a shortened summary - Time is a resource and it's all about whose time you can waste the most with these things.

  • The_Krapper
    The_Krapper Member Posts: 3,259

    I've also got damn near 10,000 hours in this game and because of this I don't play near as much as I used to and I sometimes just want to troll because this isn't a esports tourney for 50,000 dollars it's a casual multiplayer video game to make a few laughs and have fun and if someone is so soft that they can't handle that maybe they should go play Roblox or something they're mature enough to handle.

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  • Fibijean
    Fibijean Member Posts: 8,342
    edited June 2021

    As long as it's within the established (read: written) rules of the game, and provides some type of strategic advantage to the person doing it, anything is fair play. That's not just my opinion, it's also more or less what the official line on the matter boils down to.

    How about instead of requiring other people (or devs) to justify their playstyles to you, you give us an 'objective' reason why you feel qualified to pass moral judgement on others for playing a game the way they want to instead of the way you want them to?