When killer will get same love ?
I mean with the new killer be a survivor and not a killer, the new perks for survivors be OP AF and the whole buff to the survivors gameplay i feel like killer will just go away and put an AI so survivors will be happy.
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It's honestly disgusting that the new killer (Legion) is completely designed around concepts that SURVIVOR would like the killer to play like.
Why does anyone have to actually pay anything to play this killer?
It's just a service to cater to survivor.8 -
@Wolf74 is the killer that survivor main will play to have fun as killer . Legion is a survivor not a killer.
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Legion is Nea in disguise.
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The devs are aware of the situation.
Technically you have to make survivors better than killers, because otherwise everyone would just play killer.
Since we need 4 survivors and only 1 killer for one game, it's nearly impossible, balancing the game and keeping a player base.4 -
@Mc_Harty So you say even though it's 4vs1 where the killer is the power role and survivors must work together to win the game the dev need to give power to the survivors to the point will be 1killer= 1 survivor ? Sorry but this is not fair nor clever.3
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To be fair, the new killer is pretty fun to play.
I love being able to counter looping with my power.
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@Mister_Holdout the problem is after you counter the loop you want to down survivos or at least do same dmg. We don't ask for more just put a dubuff in he/she ability so the survivos must heal and maybe need another survivos to do it and remove the 6 sec stun.
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New killer is alright just give him a movement speed increase up to 115%
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@BeanieEnthusiast Most killers main play the game to kill that is what make the game fun to them to denay that will only make thinks worst.
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#########, why did I get tagged?DarkGGhost said:@Mc_Harty So you say even though it's 4vs1 where the killer is the power role and survivors must work together to win the game the dev need to give power to the survivors to the point will be 1killer= 1 survivor ? Sorry but this is not fair nor clever.
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@Mc_Harty rly no idea
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@mcNuggets said:
The devs are aware of the situation.
Technically you have to make survivors better than killers, because otherwise everyone would just play killer.
Since we need 4 survivors and only 1 killer for one game, it's nearly impossible, balancing the game and keeping a player base.But without that ONE killer 4 other can't play.
Please stop using the majority argument.
This game has TWO sides to play. TWO sides that needs to be played. Therefore the side with just one player must weight more than the side with 4.
If we keep the populistic narrative of a minority that we have the right to treat badly, we will never achieve a healthy gamebalance and less toxic community.7 -
@Wolf74 don't worry if the new perks and locker go live most killer will stop play
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Doubt it. Distortion doesn't matter as most killers just sit around a hook anyway.DarkGGhost said:@Wolf74 don't worry if the new perks and locker go live most killer will stop play
Breakdown could be useful to stop camping but it wouldnt be that hard to take them to another hook.
So it wont affect most killers as most killers don't even play properly.3 -
So, if most killers just sit around the hook, why did they find enough of an outcry to nerf BBQ & Chili into the ground in the PTB? Surely if most killers face-camped, there'd be no need for this and the many more aura reading nerfs in the PTB. Why are there 300+ posts per day lamenting "tunneling" (also known as killers killing effeciently)? One can either camp or "tunnel"... it's one or the other. Why did the devs implement an emblem nerf to any killer staying within a certain distance of the hook? No reason to read auras while staring a survivor in the mug and having a sip of tea on Easy Street, is there? I may get camped as a survivor 1 out of every 10-15 games, and that's being gracious. I camp as killer on the rare occasion when it would actually benefit me as killer (extremely rare situations, since any killer worth their salt already knows camping is most often wasting valuable time and pressure) or if a survivor has marked off a personal checklist of toxicity (again, extremely rare). Unless you have the worst random match-ups against the worst killers ever, you're not facing camping situations half as often as you often let on.
Sabotaging one hook then later having a person being able to instantly break one as a reward for mistakes (getting caught) can neuter an area of certain maps given standard hook placement, making it a safe haven with free escapes for a time.
Please, explain how "most killers" should "properly" play to meet your core standards. What's the proper killer etiquette all of these killers with which you interact are messing up?
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@The_Crusader said:
So it wont affect most killers as most killers don't even play properly.
I'm sorry but who are you to tell someone how to play? Unless you paid for their copy of the game I don't see how you can say someone is playing wrong.
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I think the Killer role is doing fairly well all things considered. And to be honest you can't really say that legion is a survivor instead of a killer. He isn't exactly running for his life here. And legion has great lore. In my opinion. I admit hes underpowered at the moment but he'll probably be buffed and I highly doubt that the Devs are catering to the survivors. The new perks and locker I don't mind it will just make things more suspenseful. I am a killer main btw.0
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@Keene_Kills said:
So, if most killers just sit around the hook, why did they find enough of an outcry to nerf BBQ & Chili into the ground in the PTB? Surely if most killers face-camped, there'd be no need for this and the many more aura reading nerfs in the PTB. Why are there 300+ posts per day lamenting "tunneling" (also known as killers killing effeciently)? One can either camp or "tunnel"... it's one or the other. Why did the devs implement an emblem nerf to any killer staying within a certain distance of the hook? No reason to read auras while staring a survivor in the mug and having a sip of tea on Easy Street, is there? I may get camped as a survivor 1 out of every 10-15 games, and that's being gracious. I camp as killer on the rare occasion when it would actually benefit me as killer (extremely rare situations, since any killer worth their salt already knows camping is most often wasting valuable time and pressure) or if a survivor has marked off a personal checklist of toxicity (again, extremely rare). Unless you have the worst random match-ups against the worst killers ever, you're not facing camping situations half as often as you often let on.Sabotaging one hook then later having a person being able to instantly break one as a reward for mistakes (getting caught) can neuter an area of certain maps given standard hook placement, making it a safe haven with free escapes for a time.
Please, explain how "most killers" should "properly" play to meet your core standards. What's the proper killer etiquette all of these killers with which you interact are messing up?
Can I copy paste your post (referencing to this thread and to you) for future discussions? Would save me a lot of time explaining some people how things works
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@The_Crusader said:
Doubt it. Distortion doesn't matter as most killers just sit around a hook anyway.
Do you know any other song?
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Oh ok then.MegaWaffle said:@The_Crusader said:
So it wont affect most killers as most killers don't even play properly.
I'm sorry but who are you to tell someone how to play? Unless you paid for their copy of the game I don't see how you can say someone is playing wrong.
Well survivors bought the game to play it and enjoy it too. Maybe you lot could stop crying for nerfs every 5 minutes to ruin their enjoyment of the game.
Who are you to dictate how strong/weak each side should be?
Oh and stop crying about SWF flashlights, bodyblocking and teabagging. Who are you to tell them how to play?3 -
@Malakir said:
Can I copy paste your post (referencing to this thread and to you) for future discussions? Would save me a lot of time explaining some people how things works
Feel free to do so, and thank you for asking. It's difficult listening to the same broken record spinning on repeat when the lyrics already suck.
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@The_Crusader the game is 1v4 if it was 4v4 or 1v1 and every side can pick the same thing yes then and only then we can't say anything but when only one side gets the goods and the other garbage we need to say and do something otherwise you end up with Q over 10 min for a game 5.
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@DarkGGhost said:
@BeanieEnthusiast Most killers main play the game to kill that is what make the game fun to them to denay that will only make thinks worst.Yes and to kill better make his movement 115% which is what I just said.
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@The_Crusader said:
MegaWaffle said:@The_Crusader said:
So it wont affect most killers as most killers don't even play properly.
I'm sorry but who are you to tell someone how to play? Unless you paid for their copy of the game I don't see how you can say someone is playing wrong.
Oh ok then.
Well survivors bought the game to play it and enjoy it too. Maybe you lot could stop crying for nerfs every 5 minutes to ruin their enjoyment of the game.
Who are you to dictate how strong/weak each side should be?
Oh and stop crying about SWF flashlights, bodyblocking and teabagging. Who are you to tell them how to play?
I love how without knowing who I am you have assumed I'm taking sides in this ridiculous flame war killer vs survivor community. All I did was ask how its fair you can dictate how someone plays, be they survivor or killer. In the phrase I quoted from you you only mentioned "killers don't play properly" so I could only comment on what you said.
Not once in my short comment did I mention anything regarding game balance, game changes, SWF, or any of the other things you tried to claim I did. You my friend are a great example of why this community is so toxic. Rather then responding to what was written you inject what you want to hear so as to create an argument that was never there in the first place.
How about you put a little thought into your words before trying to brand someone with a title to fit your own narrative.
Cheers.
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Lmfao. Since day 1 that's all anyone here has ever done here. I get it day after day as do others.MegaWaffle said:@The_Crusader said:
MegaWaffle said:@The_Crusader said:
So it wont affect most killers as most killers don't even play properly.
I'm sorry but who are you to tell someone how to play? Unless you paid for their copy of the game I don't see how you can say someone is playing wrong.
Oh ok then.
Well survivors bought the game to play it and enjoy it too. Maybe you lot could stop crying for nerfs every 5 minutes to ruin their enjoyment of the game.
Who are you to dictate how strong/weak each side should be?
Oh and stop crying about SWF flashlights, bodyblocking and teabagging. Who are you to tell them how to play?
I love how without knowing who I am you have assumed I'm taking sides in this ridiculous flame war killer vs survivor community. All I did was ask how its fair you can dictate how someone plays, be they survivor or killer. In the phrase I quoted from you you only mentioned "killers don't play properly" so I could only comment on what you said.
Not once in my short comment did I mention anything regarding game balance, game changes, SWF, or any of the other things you tried to claim I did. You my friend are a great example of why this community is so toxic. Rather then responding to what was written you inject what you want to hear so as to create an argument that was never there in the first place.
How about you put a little thought into your words before trying to brand someone with a title to fit your own narrative.
Cheers.
Funny though how when someone you disagree with does it its suddenlt bad, yet when everyone else does it then it's A-ok.
Besides think its obvious with recent changes that there is an idealized way to play this game.0 -
@The_Crusader said:
Lmfao. Since day 1 that's all anyone here has ever done here. I get it day after day as do others.Funny though how when someone you disagree with does it its suddenlt bad, yet when everyone else does it then it's A-ok.
Besides think its obvious with recent changes that there is an idealized way to play this game.
I don't think anyone is going to go to you for what is the "ideal" way to play this game.
You lose to campers.
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Why are you acting so toxic and childish?GodDamn_Angela said:@The_Crusader said:
Lmfao. Since day 1 that's all anyone here has ever done here. I get it day after day as do others.Funny though how when someone you disagree with does it its suddenlt bad, yet when everyone else does it then it's A-ok.
Besides think its obvious with recent changes that there is an idealized way to play this game.
I don't think anyone is going to go to you for what is the "ideal" way to play this game.
You lose to campers.
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@The_Crusader said:
Oh ok then.
Well survivors bought the game to play it and enjoy it too. Maybe you lot could stop crying for nerfs every 5 minutes to ruin their enjoyment of the game.
Who are you to dictate how strong/weak each side should be?
Oh and stop crying about SWF flashlights, bodyblocking and teabagging. Who are you to tell them how to play?
Erm… but wait a minute… isn't that exactly what you are doing all the time?
Ignoring that killer player bought the game also and play to have fun?
Ask for killer nerfs constantly?
Judging how the game should get balanced and how others should be allowed to play?1 -
@Wolf74 said:
@mcNuggets said:
The devs are aware of the situation.
Technically you have to make survivors better than killers, because otherwise everyone would just play killer.
Since we need 4 survivors and only 1 killer for one game, it's nearly impossible, balancing the game and keeping a player base.But without that ONE killer 4 other can't play.
Please stop using the majority argument.
This game has TWO sides to play. TWO sides that needs to be played. Therefore the side with just one player must weight more than the side with 4.
If we keep the populistic narrative of a minority that we have the right to treat badly, we will never achieve a healthy gamebalance and less toxic community.This person here is so right. Like honestly you lose 1 out of 4 survs, that 1 surv is more likely to be replaced. If you just hinder the 1 in the 4v1 and the 1 leaves, that means less games for the 4 that want to verse that player. This is literally common sense and I just don't get how anyone can argue against it.
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Son people would even if its simple mathCallMeRusty420 said:@Wolf74 said:
@mcNuggets said:
The devs are aware of the situation.
Technically you have to make survivors better than killers, because otherwise everyone would just play killer.
Since we need 4 survivors and only 1 killer for one game, it's nearly impossible, balancing the game and keeping a player base.But without that ONE killer 4 other can't play.
Please stop using the majority argument.
This game has TWO sides to play. TWO sides that needs to be played. Therefore the side with just one player must weight more than the side with 4.
If we keep the populistic narrative of a minority that we have the right to treat badly, we will never achieve a healthy gamebalance and less toxic community.This person here is so right. Like honestly you lose 1 out of 4 survs, that 1 surv is more likely to be replaced. If you just hinder the 1 in the 4v1 and the 1 leaves, that means less games for the 4 that want to verse that player. This is literally common sense and I just don't get how anyone can argue against it.
If you lose 50 killers 200 survivors lose lobbies
If you lose 50 survivors you lose 12ish killer lobbies
Many people tho still arguing "without survivors you don't have a game"... Okay..1 -
@Malakir and that the proble they fail to see what the "balance " do to the game. They think oh we have 1 survivo and 1 killer but no
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Guys please don't fight. We must try and discuss what happening in a calm and civil manner where both sides learn useful information that can improve the game and make the Devs understand what your issues are
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@Pierre we do that for the last 2 year and still nothing.
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@Malakir said:
Son people would even if its simple math
If you lose 50 killers 200 survivors lose lobbies
If you lose 50 survivors you lose 12ish killer lobbiesMany people tho still arguing "without survivors you don't have a game"... Okay..
Technically it is true, its just that losing a killer hurts far more than losing a survivor.
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@The_Crusader said:
GodDamn_Angela said:@The_Crusader said:
Lmfao. Since day 1 that's all anyone here has ever done here. I get it day after day as do others.
Funny though how when someone you disagree with does it its suddenlt bad, yet when everyone else does it then it's A-ok.
Besides think its obvious with recent changes that there is an idealized way to play this game.
I don't think anyone is going to go to you for what is the "ideal" way to play this game.
You lose to campers.
Why are you acting so toxic and childish?
Sorry what?
I was making a point.
The only one being childish and toxic here is you.
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