Survivor's drive killers to stop caring about playing nice.
There is a severe lack of understanding and generalization on the survivor's end when it comes to tunneling and camping. Many cannot or will not distinguish between the timings of these tactics and when a killer was actually trying to be nice and will call the killer a camper or tunneller regardless.
- Camping at end-game: Camper
- Camping at 5 gens: Camper.
- Slugging at end-game: Try-hard
- Slugging at 5 gens: Try-hard
- Tunneling at 1 gen left and 2 hooks on the board; Tunneller
- Tunneling at 5 gens on one person: Tunneller
I play usually a match or two nice, get beat, need to escort the survivors out of the game and get smack talked and call the above even though I let people get uncontested unhooks etc. After that I return to not caring anymore and do what I have to do in order to kill.
Survivor's are a key reason why people stop caring about the enjoyment of survivors. Killers are expected to 'get good' to be 6k hour players or just lose.
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It’s still totally in your hands how you want to play. If you want to be mean after some bad games go ahead. I know I don’t
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Honestly it a vicious circle that leads to that and people only playing swf groups, but ultimately is more so on the devs than any one of the two.
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I got call a try hard because i let someone bleed out during the egc. I could not hook him because the survivor use hook offering and the hook in that area were gone and everytime i try to hook hin he wiggle of and start running to the same corner so i just smack him down and wait
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Those people have no place complaining. They know what they're doing when they run to the hook deadzone. It's why I say that hooks getting destroyed from a sacrifice is a dumb mechanic.
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You are missing the point of the discussion I am raising here. Survivors complain that you camp, tunnel and slug without any consideration of the situation that the killer is in and when they do it or the fact that they didn't do it earlier when that would have been the sweatiest move. Camping at 5 gens or during the end game... you get pretty much the same treatment. Win with 4k or lose with a 1 or even 0k and get the same treatment.
It is not about the fact that I lost the match, it is about the manner in which I am treated afterwards. When I go out of my way and lose the map pressure I am told to get good at, by allowing the survivors to get the unhooks uncontested... but still try to win and might camp, slug, tunnel in the end game... it is all the same. Survivor's expect you to not just be nice throughout the match and give up pressure, but escort them out at the end game without trying to maybe get a comeback.
It has nothing to do with being mean. I tried being nice and gave up pressure, not try hard to much, as a killer and get treated like garbage anyway. So... why should I not just always do the best move regardless?
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That’s why I change how I play on a match by match basis. If the survivors are playing a bit more coordinated I will tend to camp and tunnel more but if I can tell they are a bunch of solos I’ll ease up
No point in being treated bad for 2 games and letting out your rage on a bunch of solos who did nothing wrong
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if you wanna 4 man gen rush and escape without a chase once, then yeah im going for a 4k. survs can cry all the want. i match my sweatiness to that of the survs
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This game is been broke since the new chapter came out. Hard to play for most just ridiculous on console and this is what you're worried about. Just play the damn game.
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Who states I am raging, I simply stop caring... if I am always going to be treated the same way, why even bother trying to make an effort and not just go for a win. The wholesome survivors tend to be cool either way.
It is great that you can 'test the waters' so to say in order to figure out if they are a SWF or solo's... yet I for one don't have thousands of hours in the game. I am not punishing anyone... just when if I get the opportunity to snowball, you either grab it or you don't. Keep in mind I am trying to actually win and be effective, therefore I will use the tactics when they hopefully make sense. You cannot just mindlessly camp, tunnel or slug and win. I have no guarantee that I will be presented another opportunity, especially if the team I am facing is semi-decent as I am not a seasoned player, I have 350 hours... ish and not even all in killer as I play some solo survivor as well.
I see a lot of complaints here about tunneling and camping, yet rarely any distinctions being made of when it happens, what the situation was, etc.
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Because the game broke and even on my PC sometimes has freezes, does it mean nobody is allowed to talk about anything else at all ever again?
Great contribution to the topic at hand, I believe there are like 100 posts about the fact that when the game has a major update everything goes down the drain.
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Theres been 100 topics of this too. X was mean to me so now Y is going to be mean back. Whatevs.
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You're not wrong, that's exactly what happened to me. Getting literal genrush attempts coming at me at least every other trial (yay 3-and-a-half-minute-gens) and then get screamed at in the post-game about anything I did? No wonder there's so few evening AU killers.
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I mean im in that boat kinda
I have stopped trying to force myself to play nice and now I just play in response to how the survivors play and if they get upset about how I play in response to them thats their own fault
totems gone early, might as well get some slowdown by having someone out of the game at 4 gens
survivor body blocking with bt while im trying to not go for them, wait a few seconds and claim an easy down, better hope they brought ds to back up being annoying
key in the lobby, 1 way ticket to a boring match where mechanics such as tunneling and camping are heavily used especially directed at the person with the key
nothing goes wrong, easy 12 hook 4k where everyone hopefully got a chance to play the game
just play in response to how the survivors play and you don't need to worry how you play since they are now their own judge jury and pyramid head
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I'm inclined to agree with you. I'm a killer main, but playing solo survivor is tricky. The incentives aren't on their side and they get baited into losing. Camping wouldn't be a thing if they weren't feeling compelled to help eachother.
But I digress, I won't even play the pig anymore cuz I always get a nasty message. On the off chance I do play her, I don't use her crouch as much as I want to. People just wanna guilt to gain the upperhand.
You're alternating between externalizing that guilt and internalizing it.
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Survivors make their own demons.
I mean I even get screamed at by survivors for letting someone have the hatch when i slaughtered them while still having 5 gens left.
Seriously what's wrong with the survivors complaining I was being NICE TO THEM and specifically complaining about me being NICE TO THEM.
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Question....
Why do you care what other people say?
Play in a matter that pleases you - that's all that matters.
If you want to camp, do it. If you don't want to camp, don't.
Trying to please the fickle randoms you go up against is just going to lead you to frustration and disappoint.
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It is more of what behavior do people want to encourage. Why care? Well that is my point exactly; Survivor's state that we should care about their experience. Yet it rarely matters what behavior I show and the treatment is the same, just because I try to win. Therefore I stop caring and play as effective as possible.
That is my point... survivors drive killers to stop caring. It leads only to frustration, disappointment and desensitizing.
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I'm someone that play/watch both sides regurarly. If you play correctly you will never rank up as a casual/ordinary player, that is not meant as an offence, I just mean someone that doesn't stream or doesn't have 1000+ hours. The secret is unfortunately to not care about the rank and actually hope to get lower ones to get balanced or even chill games.
As a survivor I hate tunneling, it bores me and made me quit the game sometime ago, it was frustrating as hell and now that I can loop better and longer it still is.
As a killer I never tunnel but go for the saver when everyone else is hiding or I'm close to the hook. Only camp when they genrush me like crazy or just use bm like spam vaulting or flash clicking lol. Honestly I've always been kinda troll but as long as I was getting hooks and hits I was happy with it.
As I touched red ranks I needed to completely change my mentality, as a survivor I needed the boring meta builds which I hated, and as a killer I was getting gen rushed by squads because I never tunneled the weak links of the team. Any survivor will just exploit to hell your kindness or willing to ######### around. Guess what? tunneling and noed actually made me rank 2, while the "nice guy" playstyle made me stop at 4. You don't check that hook and next thing they are smashing the gen closer to it even injured.
Having someone write ez just shows how rough they had in their previous games, or just idiocity
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Honestly, the greatest mind game the survivors run is getting you to play by their rules. Dont
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Yes because broad generalizations are a great way to start a mature discussion. Sarcasm.
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And killers drive survivors to not play nice. It's just how things work.
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if ur camping, tunneling, or slugging at 5 GENS u are hurting yourself and yourself only.... so go off and not 'play nice' and get those bronze emblems 😭
most killers that whine and cry on here do exactly what u say above and then wonder why a SWF beat them. some of yall genuinely need to change the way you play the game and it shows
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As Trickster I typically don't got to camp or tunnel to perform well in a match. And rage isn't common in my post game chats, even while I was maining the Twins or Hag. I feel tunneling and camping (especially with S or A tier Killers) is the equivalent to SWF with comms and meta perks in ways, both are crutches that carry players that aren't as good as they think they are.
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Goes both ways. Tonight I’ve had back to back toxic killers on ps4. Camping bubbas with devour, a nurse that slugged everyone and hit people on hook, and a blight that was awful all around. My whole team hasn’t been able to even pip and we’re in low purple red ranks. Games busted and super killer sided.
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I smashed a team with 4 gens undone. I felt sorry for them and let 2 survs live. After that they reported me for farming.
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Haddonfield offering + gen rush. But they complain about me ruining the match by tunneling.
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Nobody forces either side to do anything they don't want to do.
I play both sides, and I have very frequently been on the receiving end of tunneling and face camping. These things are not going to make up for your mistakes. If you're at 1 gen with 2 hooks on the board, you didn't apply enough pressure.
Tunneling and camping isn't going to erase that mistake, and it's not going to help you deal with the situation any better either. All you're doing is promoting toxicity by doing these things.
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@Kalinikta What is the point of this thread? Another pointless vent session? It's an online game and most people are apathetic to what anyone else they're playing with has planned...have you been under a rock for the last decade? Killers are jerks to Survivors just as much, so quit with the pointless finger pointing because it does absolutely nothing but strengthen the wedge.
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@letumeur no offense taken, I play at red ranks consistently and it is less about the game balance as when I sweat I tend to do quite well. There are teams that beat me, even ones that are clearly not 4 means if they play well or I don't make the right choices when it comes to dropping chase, etc.
@oliviaa you state it hurts me? While a brutal killer or merciless are all the same to me most of the time. Once you hit rank 1 what does it matter. Usually when I apply a tunnel or proxy camp or a slug at the right time it will guarantee that I don't depip, while if I play nice if they play well the likelihood of a drip increases.
@VexTheHex it isn't about mindless using these tactics, I didn't even state the killer that I was playing and does that really matter. Who states I believe I am that good? Part of my argument is that I am not a 6k God killer and so using any type of snowball and pressure available to me helps out.
@van9684 it is not about how they played though, it isn't whether the survivors were clicky flashlight, teabagging, etc. Or the builds they used. It is the words they use after the match, even when they win.
@Kaitsja actually proxy camping, tunneling slugging are exactly tactics that will make up for other mistakes I made or allow me to snowball out of control... why do you think killers do them? How is it that I am promoting toxicity by applying pressure on the survivors and trying to win? It is my fault when gens fly and didn't play well, but it isn't the survivors fault for not protecting their teammates? You realize the get good analogy goes both ways, as I have faced people that you can proxy, tunnel and even face camp and they will get their teammates out of the situation with good play.
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Is this a vent? It is me pointing out that if survivors were to actually want killers to consider them, they should consider who they bash at the end of a match. That not every camp, tunnel and slug situation is the same.
The discussion around the tactics that survivors tell you not to use rarely receive the nuance it should. If you bash someone always, they stop caring about what you have to say. You create killers that will apply the tactics at 1 gen or 5 gens since for them it doesn't matter... they will be treated just the same so why should they care?
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@Kalinikta Slugging is only toxic when you do it at 5 gens. You gain nothing, and the survivors gain nothing. Tunneling is always toxic unless you have one gen left and two survivors. It's not "get good", it's "do better". Learn from mistakes made.
When I said that camping and tunneling won't make up for previous mistakes, I meant that you won't learn how to avoid those mistakes to begin with. You'll repeat the process, and when faced with an efficient team of survivors you just end up costing yourself the game.
You don't learn anything from camping and tunneling, nor do you get better at the game. Sure, really good survivors can get a teammate out of a face camp or even take aggro to deter tunneling, but that rarely stops someone who wants to do these things.
You can get a 4k without tunneling or camping. Tunneling and camping makes the game significantly less fun for the survivors, and at the end of the day they're trying to have fun and enjoy the game just like you. There's nothing wrong with trying to win, but at the end of the day, it's important that both sides have fun.
The more toxicity, the less players. The less players, the longer the queue times.
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You are not supposed to play nice? You are a killer act like one.
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There's nothing wrong with trying to win, but at the end of the day, it's important that both sides have fun.
What if the killer's fun is in winning as efficiently as possible?
The more toxicity, the less players. The less players, the longer the queue times.
Killer queues are fine, while survivor queues are long as hell, By your own logic, the problem must be survivor toxicity.
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I am fully aware that mindlessly applying these tactics will not guarantee you a win, frankly at red ranks it will most of the time actually cause you to lose in my experience. Never stated it would either. I do learn quite a bit from applying them to be honest, it is a means to apply pressure when used at the correct times and extremely efficient as well. People always tell me to apply pressure, but they only want me to apply it a specific way. Getting people further in a hook stage is pressure, having multiple people near each other on a hook near 3 generators and controlling that area is pretty immense pressure; I can let the other gens fly as I can simply hold that position and get people to either die or advance into second stage on the hook. Defending all 5 gens isn't feasible.
You can get a 4k without tunneling or camping, but you will make your life significantly more difficult if you let survivors get away with things unpunished. I am not some godlike killer and expecting me to be one that is perfect at looping, etc. is unrealistic. I am not speaking here of simply downing a survivor then just doing nothing but camp or tunnel. Yet if I allow them to get these freebees... to then be insulted at the end, why exactly should I care about their fun? I am also trying to have fun, yet even when I let survivors get away with free unhooks in a situation where it is not really beneficial at all for me to do so... to then be called a camper and a bad player because I let go of the gas, let them recover and then lose the match, but you know at the end game; 0 gens, gates 99 and I get someone on a hook... I am supposed to just walk away? I should not try and do my best to get some kills?
Killer queues aren't suffering, I rarely have to wait at all even at 2 or 3 in the morning.
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What if the killer's fun is trying to win at all without being a god in comparison to the survivors that they face. That is the only criteria that is upheld in most cases: Never camp, Never tunnel, Never slug! Regardless of the situation, you at 5 gens or 0 gens with 99 gates, you better leave that hook!
The irony is that it is important for both sides to have fun, but I rarely see any survivor doing anything to hold back to ensure the killer has fun.
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It is extremely frustrating when people act childish or complain about the silliest things, certainly. Indeed, it can make the recipiant to wonder what the point is in being nice for future matches.
You do have the choice of how to respond, though. Whether it's to act the same way as those who have done this to you, or to treat each round as a separate experience. The issue is: by acting out against opponents you've not played before, those people could well have been trying to play nice like you. In fact, they are you in terms of behaviour, and you become the role of those who were dicks to you. Therefore, you become just like those you didn't appreciate before, which in turn makes you the problem for those, who feel then they have to act nasty to other nice people.
It's a constant cycle, but the more people give in to annoyances the more they pass on destructive behaviours. It's not survivors who are the key reason. Neither is it the killers. It's the individual's reaction which is the key reason. Ergo, anyone who decides to act a certain negative way because of how people act are the key reason.
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Tell me how do I identify a survivor that is trying to play nice? Because frankly I have only seen it once! In a game in which I was being clapped so hard it was embarrassing.
I am not acting as those that acted that way against me though, I am not bad mouthing in the end-game chat to the next group of survivors that I meet telling them that they are filthy gen-rushers or anything. I just stop caring about giving them any slack and just play to win my own game. I stop caring about the game of others and purely focus on my own. The point I am making is about the words people use at the end of the match, those that like to complain about the playstyle of others afterwards or here on the forums about the tactic used by killers. The conversation rarely has any nuance to it, it is all thrown into one pile.
Those survivors that are awesome and wholesome are that to me regardless of how I play, but they are few and far between sadly enough.
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This is like the 20th time i've seen something similar to this post, and i have to say it again i guess, Not All Survivors Are Toxic
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And the second half of the statement...
But enough are that survivor queues are through the roof while killer queues are short.
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I just do all of this because I want too, could care less if people think I'm a jerk
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I'm just a Killer; I will Camp, Tunnel, Slug, Mori, Herd, 3-Gen, etc. as a specific match calls for them. I'm always a so-called "try-hard" as I'm not sure why anyone plays a game to half-ass it. :) When I play Survivor my job is to survive. When I play Killer it is to kill. That's it. The only things a Player has to do to be a good sport in Dead by Daylight are:
- Don't cheat, either by lag spike or hack.
- Don't disconnect; if you start a game, finish it.
- Be humble in victory and gracious in defeat.
Abide by these three rules and you are being nice and a good sport. Everything else is on the table.
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Then that is how you should play, as everyone else. Identifying who the nice survivors are is impossible, although the childish ones are easier to spot, but that wasn't the point I was making.
At least you clarified you don't act deliberately childish to your opponents - you simply play the gqme as is. My concern was that you were deliberately acting childish in game, as those who did that to you. Since that's been cleared, then play as you wish. Just remember thqt the side someone plays on makes little difference as to how they act.
Personally, more people should play both sides. People may understand more of what the opponents see by doing so.
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This is the reason it's been months if not years since I stopped caring about being nice.
When I go into a game, I try to secure a win. Once the win is secured I'll play more chill, if the survivors haven't been annoying.
The outcome of the match does not matter one bit. Survivors will trash talk you for no reason, and they'll feel good about themselves because it's 4 on one.
My advise, if it makes you feel frustrated, which I understand, turn off the chat or stop looking at any messages sent. If you want the chat on, then just recognize it's a bunch of people together in a circle jerk to try and feel better about themselves by trying to belittle you, so their words mean absolutely nothing.
Either way, play in whatever way you want. If you want to chill, then play chill and have fun, if you want to win, then do whatever you need to secure the win.
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