Another update, and no sign of a spirit rework…
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I haven´t seen a friendly or meme spirit yet. Only tryhards.
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Had two games against a Spirit today and escaped both. Was even Rancored in the 2nd one. And I'm a terrible survivor.
Spirit isn't OP.
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No sign of BHVR making a satisfactory pass to maps despite the fact that they're broken if the survivor knows how to use them. Spirit, like survivors, is broken when used to a high level, but you don't get that the majority of the time. To survivors complaining about Spirit, I say, welcome to the killer experience if you don't main the top tiers. Every survivor team is Spirit. Especially if they have exhaustion perks.
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And yet everytime someone posts a video or a strategy or shows tru3talent outplaying a spirit it's always: "But that spirit is bad" So which is it?
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Then you admit there's counterplay to Spirit, since content creators do juke them. Can't say "that only works on bad Spirits" if there's no difference right? Also, if there isn't a skill element to Spirit, you would never get rusty on Spirit, but content creators do.
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I’m awful at killer and could 4k almost every match, she takes no skill
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Don't really care what toxic people do in the game
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You VS a pro team, go.
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That doesn't answer my question.
If tru3talent posts a video, that says "look at how you can have counterplay against the spirit" this proves she has counterplay and is fine. If the reason that tru3 can outplay that spirit is because "they are bad" well we shouldn't balance the game around high level players, which is what survivors constantly say when it is pointing out how OP survivors are at the top level play.
Also while we are at it, since nurse is by far the worst killer in the game in the hands of average players (you know, the ones we balance around) she's due for a buff right?
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Please, eliminate the standing still mindgame. It's not that fun to hope to be lucky. And this power must be reserved only for Insidious Bubba.
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I think spirit's kit is completely fine! Her power is somewhat rewarding and strong. My only issue is the lack of feedback on survivor side. There is no indicator if they are phase walking. My idea is to add glass footsteps where she is walking with a little bit of audio of her stepping on glass.
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Competitive DBD is completely irrelevant, should never be used as an argument or standard
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He used a comp player as an example for how she has counterplay, but the same person said she has none in regular gameplay
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But if skill is irrelevant, you should be able to get a 2k with Spirit even against a pro team right? Unless your statement about Spirit not having skill requirements is nonsense.
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You still aren't answering my question.
Should the game be balanced around high level players, yes or no? If yes, then only nurse and spirit and MAYBE blight are viable and every single other killer needs to be massively buffed or survivors heavily nerfed, additionally spirit is pretty balanced. If no, then why does spirit need a nerf when only high level spirits are actually a problem? Have you SEEN what an "average" spirit player does?
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I’m discussing purely red rank gameplay, where the skill of the spirit will hardly have an impact. I don’t know anything about competitive, totally irrelevant and taking the game to a much higher level than a casual red rank game
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Well that's a statement that you absolutely can't back up. Also, there are many examples of red rank Spirits getting juked by content creators. This is not up for dispute, so it cuts both ways. You are not facing pro Spirits that never mess up their phase walks and don't fall for tricks.
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This either or makes zero sense, I’m not even sure what you’re asking? How does the game not being balanced around comp equate to killers never being nerfed? She’s disgustingly easy to play at any rank, destroys any counterplay a survivor could pull off with IW, as most run a perk that counters IW, and keeps bad killers in red ranks who aren’t actually learning how to play the game.
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And you are not wrong. Spirit is above any other killer in the game by far. I see competitive. And if there is no restriction on killer pick, spirit is option number 1. She performs amazing on every map. You can´t gain distance with exhaustion perk as she is The Flash and u barely can loop her as you have no idea where she is.
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Nobody backs up anything they say on here, it’s a discussion forum, not a research essay that relies on objectivity. Content creators with 10k hours isn’t really representative on what players with <100 hours can do, or even people with much more who aren’t sweating their mind out.
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The Spirit had already been nerfed. It's one of the few strong killers. Deal with it.
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"Spirit requires no skill." "How dare you bring up skilled survivors beating Spirit." Do you not see how you're contradicting yourself? Heck, ban SWF because killers under 100 hours can't deal with high gen efficiency.
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When? She hasn’t been touched at all lately, and was only indirectly buffed by slow vault being nerfed recently for whatever reason
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No, I don’t see the contradiction at all. Spirit doesn’t require any skill to perform well with, doesn’t mean that the best survivors can outplay a spirit, but it’s hardly ever outplaying her power. Most of the time I’ve seen a spirit get owned was falling for pallet/window fakes, nothing to do with how competent a spirit is with her power, the only reliable counter is to hope she doesn’t have good game knowledge.
Most good SWFs aren’t playing against killers with <100 hours for the most part.
Spirit is ultimately worse for killers than survivors, if she gets nerfed, the killers that only perform well with her will rank down to green ranks.
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Spirir requires not skill. Nurse at least takes big effort to learn to play her. And although she is very strong she doen´t fit so good in all the maps.
Same with Blight.
Spirit is just abusive. She can deal the best SWF. Imgaine what she does on Solo Q.
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Then you've made the most pointless point that can be made. Here's a little secret. Winning as killer doesn't require skill if the survivors are bad. You're lowering the goal post to your argument. You said Spirit doesn't require skill, not that she doesn't require skill to beat mediocre players. You invalidated your entire premise when you said "the only reliable counter is to hope she doesn’t have good game knowledge". The game sense requires experience to survivors trying to counter Spirit, aka, skill. Thank you for accidently conceding the argument. A Spirit is only truly encounterable if they're skilled at the killer. You are not automatically loosing just because someone selected Spirit for that match. All you're doing is pouting.
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I was hoping huntress got hatchets that regen or something. Tired of grabbing them from lockers.
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Just say you don’t care about having a toxic killer in the meta and move on, nothing is changing people’s opinion on how awful Spirit is to go against.
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Lately? No, she hasn’t received any changes but she was nerfed a while ago.
Gave her no collision while phasing.
Gave her a vaulting animation.
Nerfed some of her add-ons (Prayer Beads, Saya, Amulet, and both of the activation speed add-ons)
Adjusted her speed curve post-phase (which really wasn’t a nerf).
She was changed so that she didn’t have any of the extreme BS like Prayer Beads, collision while phasing, and no window vaulting animation but they didn’t address the stand still “MiNdGaMe” or lack of feedback.
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So they nerfed her from broken to OP, not really enough
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Don't worry they'll nerf her. Why get better when you can cry for nerfs.
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Why get better when u can play spirit without hands.
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Playing spirit against good survivor is really hard if both players have good reads it makes it interesting but casuals don't like it so they want to a counter to everything. Trash logic really
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Spirit is 100% fine. quit complaining about killing a S tier killer.
People will complain about killers nowadays...jesus..
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Now for those wondering despite the majority of this community wanting a Spirit change (not a vocal minority been told those who didn't want a Hillbilly nerf were a vocal minority). And the devs haven't done it is they don't know how to do so. I'm genuine they have no clue how to do it correctly. At most please just let us know she's phasing Standstill mindgame isn't fun.
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Sorry then, i did not get it first...
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Can we remove the stand still mindgame?
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Can standstill mindgame go?
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So you removing something that you can 50 / 50?
My god... lol
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I would like to change Spirit's transition animation so that the standing and transition animations are different. That would be nice already.
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I wouldn´t say that´s a 50/ 50. Spirit may see scracth marks and blood and hear you. And survivor has just a supposition.That´s not a 50/50 but a 75/25.
She has insane movility and big advantage on pallets and structures. Some people say that Spine chill counters her....no way. When you are running to a structure or pallet and she is chasing you it´s obvius spine chill will get activated. But u can´t know where she is and the distance you have on her.
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It's entirely unhealthy and boring that a mechanic such as standing still can be a thing. It has no interaction that is enjoyable beyond a lucky guess. Also not skillful. People can't read minds you know.
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In my experience, almost every spirit I’ve played against has been a real poop head. Slugging, camping, trolling or just weird play habits. Not everyone who plays her is like this but she does seem to attract a certain kind of jerky player. Again that’s just in my experiences.
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Goddamn. people can't just leave a killer alone. it's like everyone wants her dumbed down so she has no counterplay towards the survivors,
Quit whining about said killer and just adapt to spirit instead of versing wraith 24/7 lol
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I agree, people saying she's a coin flip isn't exactly true. She gets more information than the survivor does, meaning more likely than not, she's going to make a better prediction than you — especially if you're injured.
It's pretty rare when a situation between you and the Spirit is a pure coin toss.
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Yes that's the one dumb thing that shouldn't be in the game. No skill required for that.
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