How would you change Legion?
So far the main issue with them is that they have no power when people are injured, even more if they all decide to not heal and focus on gens.
Becoming nothing more than a mediocre movement ability to travel around, which can still screw you over since you cant see scratches or blood, unlike other killers like Billy or Spirit.
Also, try to keep them similar, people that like them, play them for their fast paced playstyle, so no "blending with the survivors" thing, which wouldnt work anyway, since a SWF would make this idea completely useless
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easy delete them : )
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Without totally reworking them I would make each survivor in deep wound reduce the feral frenzy cooldown by 15%. This would make them able to down the survivor quickly after if he chained hits
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Nothing too much outside of addons and some quality of life changes.
Legion isn't bad, people are bad at them. That you say they don't have a power when everyone is injured already tells me your playing them wrong
Changes i would like to see are
removing the power drain on a m1 hit, hell maybe even add power
Changing the addons frank's mixtape and stabwounds study
Make it so people with deep wounds can't interact with generators like madness tier 3 so they don't just go fixing gens before they mend
Maybe up their speed a little after every stab. Speedy Legion addons were fun
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The way he uses Frenzy only works because of his addons that reduce the fatigue, otherwise it aint viable for that
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He's fundamentally flawed and will be weak until they scrap him and start over.
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There's no reward for applying dw to every survivor with a single ff. So maybe a lower cool down on fatigue for each survivor hit during a single use of ff
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He usually plays without them, i almost never play with them and i do fine.
If you can read the information FF gives you and use the stall deep wounds give Legion is pretty good.
If you use your ability once and never again once everyone injured then yeah they suck but huntress sucks too if you don't use lockers to reload
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Would be cool but you don't often are able to chain to a lot of survivors so wouldn't really do much i feel
Often you are better of going back to the other survivors and letting the one you just hit mend anyway
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That's true. It wouldn't be very reliable but at least it would be something
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There are many people who've played him who have thousands of hours and as much as I hate to say it, Legion is weak af.
They have a hit and run playstyle. And that works with Wraith because he's able to become undetectable and sneak up on survivors.
Legion has a 32m Terror Radius (40m in Frenzy) which is just a big warning for survivors to GTFO if they're in an unsafe spot.
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And I've seen people who have thousands of hours win game after game with Legion in red ranks.
Having thousands of hours don't automagically make you good at every single killer in the game.
In a game filled with 1v1 killers Legion being a 1v4 is very different and people just play them terribly.
They are far from the best, but they are far from the worst either
That said they could use some changes. But don't expect it to happen before other killers who desperatly need it more like trapper, myers or pig
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Nah, he's weak. There are some add-ons & perk combo that can make one of his play style stronger but overall he's weak. If survivor spread out & don't heal the very moment they are injured and left alone he's dog #########. If you do poorly vs him it's either because you don't spread out and thus spend a lot of time mending/healing or you're not that good at looping.
He have a ######### long cooldown on his power & a long stun animation going out of it. If survivor are like 24-32m away from each other than it's not even worth trying to FF and injure multiple survivor so at best you just know their general location for after you down someone.
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Getting a bunch of wins in red ranks doesn't mean much since there are still tones of potatoes at red ranks, and while having thousands of hours doesn't make you good at every killer it gives you a pretty good idea of how viable something can be
I've also never seen some one properly tell me why Legion is as good as they are without showing such a specific or perfect example where all the cards need to be right for it to work.
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How many matches do you have to win in a row for the whole "potato survivors" argument to fall apart?
Otz did 50, Ryuga did 20
If you desperatly need to look at competitive survivors to make Legion look weak, the same survivors that make 90% of the roster look weak then you aren't proving legion is weak, then you are proving survivors at their best are to strong. there is a difference
Legion isn't the strongest killer, but they certainly aren't weak. Anyone who calls them the weakest clearly has no idea what they are talking about. That includes some of those 1000 hour people out there. Having that many hours does not mean you know how the game works and you can't be wrong about things. Legion is the most underrated killer in the game
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It's funny how when i start defending Legion for being stronger then people think they always assume i'm a survivor that can't deal with them.
I main the Legion. I don't play often and am not the best but can still concistantly win. Other streamers like Ryuga and Otz also showed they can do well with them.
If survivors are that far away while in frenzy all you need to do is end your power walk over there and activate it again cause the cooldown is nothing if you don't let it run out.
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In that situation might as well down the survivor you used FF hit first. If you play it well you can kinda do like Wraith and "block" or forcethe survivor in a direction he have less protection. A down is always better than injure people in my book.
Streamer often face weaker survivor with how the match making is.
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no, the person you just hit with FF just got a speedboost and is heading straight to a strong zone. They also need to mend. You are letting 3 survivors slam gens while you are chasing a survivor in a strong area who can't even do gens at that point. while with what i said you let that survivor mend go hit the other survivor(s) and by the time the first one finished mending and is back on their gen you already hit the other ones and on your way back to the first one who this time doesn't have a on hit speed boost and while the other survivors have to mend first before being able to slam gens.
How you would play that situation shows me that you are playing Legion terribly wrong.
This is what i mean. It's not that Legion is bad. People are just bad at Legion.
When people discuss how strong huntress is you also don't look at people who only hit one out of 5 hatchets. So why are you judging Legions strength on a person who uses their 1v4 power in a 1v1 way?
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I second to this
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Give him a speed buff and longer duration during Frenzy so it can be a map traversal mechanic.
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Reworked from the ground up, there’s no other way.
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Ok so I played a few Legion matches, and I'm starting to think otherwise... The information Legion gets paired up with his delay and ability to quickly create dead zones...
this conversation definitely opened my eyes and I was pleasantly surprised
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Make it so all 4 Legion members are on the map but you can only control 1 at a time and the rest are in a dormant state like Charlotte when you're controlling Victor. You can only swap between them during the Feral Frenzy duration (so you can't swap and instantly down someone) and you swap to the one closest to where you are looking at (same as Hag traps when multiple go off). You can move them around the map like chess pieces to block certain strong loops and get more map coverage during Feral Frenzy. Survivors can interact with dormant Legion members to send them somewhere else in the map so that the Legion can't permanently block access to the basement or gens. This interaction won't be quick enough to do in a chase and the killer will get a killer instinct notification on the survivor that does this. This would give them more map control, loop potential, and would be more thematically representative of the killers.
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Make it where a bar fills up when you hit survivors in frenzy and when the bar fills up you get one frenzy where you can down survivors.
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Good idea, I second this
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Imo they needs their dd-ons completely reworked most of them are basically web filler and maybe their fatigue reduced a tiny bit if we give current legion anymore than that there would be tons of threads saying they are overpowered ala wraith
I wouldn't mind a rework if they keep the simplicity that makes their power fun to play with
Also change the mori to include the other members like have them all run up and stab the victim like how they did with their first victim
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The main two things I see wrong with them is their stun and losing their power bar. I'd move the end of FF stun down to 3 seconds. Secondly I'd remove basic attacks depleting their power bar.
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And to add the other members to the map they don't have to do anything I just feel like it would be neat that the other members would cheer the member you playing as on in the trial he'll you could add 2 of them at each exit gate exit giving doing special harmless animations depending on how many survivors are alive at the trial(where if 3 or all 4 are alive at the exit they would do a angry booing animation at the survivor and if only 2 or 1 make it they do a point and laugh gesture at them)
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It doesn't change the fact that, from the survivor perspective, Legion feels very unthreatening. He can feel oppressive because of bad teammates who cannot loop an M1 killer while injured, heal unnecessarily and then get stabbed again, and cannot deal with thana/other slowdown or regression perks. The moment you have more than a few actual good survivors, Legion becomes a weak killer. As long as you're not playing on a map that's very favorable to M1 killers, which aren't many, being injured doesn't really matter as long as you can just loop him. Again, the issue is, from the survivor perspective, I can loop Legion for 10 years and have only 1 gen done during that time. After my chase, Legion goes and immediately downs the scared Bill and urban evasion Blendette because they have no ######### clue what they're doing, even though they have the nastiest setup in the world that's completely untouched by me and could keep a Legion or Pig in chase for another 30 years.
The reason why Legion isn't weak in plenty of matches is because of potatoes. Their argument is correct. However, with MMR not yet being implemented, you can, indeed, go 50+ games without fighting potatoes. That's why Legion being weak against players who understand how to properly loop an M1 killer isn't that big of a deal with matchmaking and the joke that is high ranks being how it is. Those 50 winstreaks just show how much of a mess the ranking system is more than anything, not how strong Legion is.
By the way, I'm not talking about competitive teams, I'm talking about 3-4 good players. People who understand how to play the game. That's all. Teams that could still be beaten by high B-A tier killers, not teams that stomp every killer other than Nurse and Blight.
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It is not impossible to m1 good survivors.
I can turn your argument around and say that the only reason you could loop a Legion for 10 years is because mmr isn't on and you were facing a bad one.
On maps like the game and haddonfield you have a point. But on most maps you won't be able to loop someone who is good at mindgames forever.
With that logic Oni is F tier cause he doesn't have any power at all before he can get an m1 and unlike Legion he is loud and tall. And we all know oni isn't f tier.
Sorry but the whole good survivors are impossible to m1 is in my oppinion just not true. Especially with Legion who only needs one m1 hit for a down most of the time
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