PSA: This is NOT tunneling

Why go back to the hook? There's 2 other survivors in the game...

as soon as i see someone bodyblocking with BT I just stop and stare at them,, menacingly,, for 12 seconds

I think I would have better luck tracking an animal in the wild than an urban evasion ninja, actually. Not all killer mains were blessed with amazing hunting and gathering skills... It hurts to admit the truth. I cri!

I keep hearing this from killer mains, yet I sit and watch the killer come back to the hook constantly, even when no one is around or leading them back.

Patrolling near the hook while patrolling generators to find a survivor is fairly normal.

Your not chasing anyone and are looking at spots where they'd go aka generators/hooked survivors.

The point I'm making is there are a bunch of killer mains complaining about someone taking a protection hit with Borrowed Time, when the point of ithe perk is to combat proxy camping. Which is why you are even having to hit the person with the status affect in the first place...

I'm honestly at the point where if a survivor that has endurance because of a PNG their teammate equipped disrupts my actions in any way for a millisecond, they're getting tunneled.

If I'm trying to lethal rush the unhoooker and you get in my way because you have BT, make me not get a healthstate, waste rush tokens and go through a cooldown, I'll come right after you and I guarantee that in less than 15 seconds even through DS, you're going back on that hook.

This is one of the few things in this game that makes me irrationally annoyed. I understand BT is a necessary evil, serving as a bit of a deterrent so killers think twice about going for a person off a hook. But if you try to use that ######### aggressively, you better have the skill to actually make use of that second chance.

Tons is an overstatement. But I definitely have seen it happen from a 2 or 3 man SWF.

I only solo queue, and 95% of the time, it's a killer coming back to the hook because they aren't good enough to create pressure otherwise.

If I walk away and can't find anyone I'm going back towards the hook because that's where they're also headed. If BBQ doesn't show anyone then it's safe to assume that they're near the hook so I know to search the area near it and there's no reason to leave. If I'm in a chase and the survivor leads me back to the hook I'll be there and am not camping. If I hook and am breaking pallets and kicking gens near the hook I'll be close to it and not camping , just doing things that make chases later for me easier/slowing down survivor objective, not my fault the team decided to swarm the hook while I was still in the area. Want me to give more examples of reasons the killer would be near the hook?

The point of BT is in its name, to give Borrowed Time, it's a bandaid that isn't necessarily going to save you. BT is best used as insurance for those that choose to tunnel or for end game saves when the killer will be more desperate for that last kill. If you are using BT to take a protection hit then you are in fact placing yourself in a position to be tunneled and have no excuse to complain about it because you willingly got back into chase despite the killer trying to ignore you for your rescuer.

IMO, the point of this thread is that if you force a PROTECTION hit from BT you are not being tunneled, you are willingly placing yourself back into chase and the consequences that come with that.

Don't rush back to the hook. I mean as blight this should be the opposite of your strategy. You literally have some of the best mobility in the game. Why wouldn't you pressure gens and chase survivors away? Why would you waste gen time chasing the same tw people over and over?

The initial point of BT was to stop killers from camping/proxy camping. It didn't, so they made it trigger every unhook.

I mean, with killers speed advantage, lunge advatnage, fall advantage, blood lust advange, eventually even the crappy ones will catch you.

I solo queue, so I honestly don't know how many 4 man SWFs there actually are.

However, as a solo queuer, I might see a 2-3 man SWF once every 10+ games.

See the problem is you're thinking about this in a solo queue setting, sure you can't expect random people to do these "crazy" things. The problem is when you get a competent group that understands perks they can start to abuse interactions.

For every good player you can think of i can also show you instances of them breaking those rules because they were forced to....they gotta adapt to the situation.

Again no one is complaining about BT or the effect it has, in general.

The problem is you cant have your cake and eat it too.

The unhooked person with BT should not be getting in the way of the killer targeting the rescuer, because that's who they should go after. You cant protect them and still claim im tunneling you if you get in my way, you're throwing yourself into danger and shouldn't be protected for it.

You do not think about this game from both perspectives. Regardless if you've played either side equally or one more or less than the other. You are thinking about this from one direction :)

The point of Borrowed Time was to protect the survivor who was unhooked under the circumstance of camping/proxy camping/accidental or goaded camping. (you all like to miss that last one out)

It's point was never to make both survivors invincible. If you've rushed in for an unsafe rescue while the killer is right there, you're putting yourself at risk, own it.

Frankly, survivors who were just unhooked should have no collision for 5 seconds. (then BT can add the Endurance effect up to 15 seconds) that way no one is body blocking with it, and it only goes off when the killer is actually tunnelling the unhooked survivor.

Well the hook is a position of interest regardless of the killer you're playing. If you exert control over the area with the hook and a few gens then you force survivors to have to work together to get unhooks. It can be smart to control an area around the hook.

Sometimes it's also important to not allow survivors the chance to heal and reset. Unless you're using alchemist ring, even with Blight, you'll have to wait for your power to recharge, which means having to deal with 2 health states per chase and survivors being bold because they're fully healed is not efficient.

Also, sometimes survivors see that you rush ONE time and they're immediately unhooking. If you allow that to happen you'll have 2 reset survivors doing gens before you've even found a new chase, even with Blight. You can make the determination that it's better to come back and punish the unhook.

There are tons of specific scenarios in any given match where bothering the guaranteed 2 people on the hook is better than meandering trying to find new survivors to pressure off gens.

And and then you're trying to be a little nice and not "tunnel", but then the survivor gets in your way because he has endurance, and not only does he get in your way, he actively blocks you from going for the unhooker. I'm sorry, I understand it's the smart play, and I understand it's a necessary evil, but it's BS and I'm going to make it my mission to get them out of the game, because like I said, if that survivor is going to get my attention because they have a perk (BT) or two (DS) or three (DH) to protect them, they better also have the skill to back that play up, cuz I'm gonna do whatever I can to make sure those perks alone aren't gonna save them.

You know. I get this often from survivors: I go away from the hook, I start to chase somebody and they run straight for the hook. Now what do you think I do? Leave them be? Only when I have Devoure Hope.

So it is getting flamed either for "camping" or for using a Killer perk. Nice.

I purposly use BBQ to go and hunt other people, yet time and time again they lead me back to the hook or the one going for the unhook is the first person to cross my path because they assume that I will just leave them be. Honestly, I play a "Killer". I am not a fluffy pony that sparkles rainbows...