As someone who’s plays both survivor and killer…
In my experience, survivors are, on average, more toxic or trolling than killers. Of course there are lots of bad/dickish killers and some great, fun survivor players but, wow, do some of them have a bug up the rear.
I realize this helps no one and only adds to pointless discourse but after a bad round, I had to rant.
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There IS that group mindset though. People are more likely to run off at the mouth if they thing other people are gonna back them up. Its not very common for a survivor to be like "Actually no, you werent tunneled...you just werent that good."
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People just need to accept the fact that there will be toxcicity from boths sides, other games have lived with it for many years and they are doing just fine, its ok to rant and vent but its never going to change. I will say though what may look like toxic gameplay might just be a couple of friends fooling around at the killers expense, everyone has to make their own fun you cant expect the other side to do it for you, so either sweat your little booty off or play along with them, the choice is yours
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For real though. Survivors will even be toxic to their own teammates for no reason. I had a Meg that got mad because I got to a chest before her so she started jumping in and out of a locker to alert the killer. She'd follow me around the whole game making loud noises and failing skillchecks all over a brown med-kit.
I've also had a guy send me a message on xbl bragging that they let me get 1 hooked because they "only save party members".
When I was trying to do my archive to escape through the hatch while holding a map I had a Kate show up to the hatch during EGC. I kept pointing for her to leave and she shook her head no. She just stood there pointing and teabagging as we both died to egc.
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As someone who also plays both Killer and Survivor, I would pretty much agree.
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Both sides are toxic. You just notice more Survivors, because there are more Survivors. If 10% of the Community are toxic, you will notice 10 out of 100 Killers. But if we consider that there are 4 times more Survivors, you will see 40 toxic Survivors.
Also, if there is 1 toxic Survivor in the game, you will remember that guy, but not the 3 players who were not toxic.
However, Killer-toxicity has more impact on the actual game. Whatever the Survivor is doing to be toxic, none of it actually hinders the Killer of playing the game or getting Bloodpoints, Kills, whatever. Not so much the other way, the Killer can deny the Survivors to play the game by being toxic.
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I am by no means discounting toxic killers, I've had games with them and you do make a good point in that a jerk killer can effect the game way more than jerk survivors. I'm more just talking my own experience as both (and I probably play survivor more). Thank goodness I've never had those survivors who teabag fellow players while they're on the hook, though.
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I agree. It goes beyond the 4v1 ratio, too. I think it's because survivors have more avenue to express that they're being dicks for the sake of being dicks; more extraneous gestures, definitely. A lot of rude behavior on the killer side also benefits the killer, so you can't really say for sure that they're doing it to be nasty unless they're doing things like bleeding everyone out or kebabing.
I believe it also has to do with SWFs; there's power and audacity in numbers and people tend to feed off their friends' attitudes. Group mentality and all.
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The game breeds toxicity because ideas to make it fair or fun are ignored. Survivors are the underdogs, they have few offensive plays and ALL of them are buggy as ####. There is no recourse for playing selfishly or being mean-spirited. The game is great for people who want to cause others pain. Talk to the killer players, they don't care about fair or fun, they just want to kill and hurt; they get enjoyment from causing pain. Report game abuse? Why? Nothing happens. No one ever has been banned for poor sportsmanship. Why leave feedback it is ignored. If you disagree with a Behavior employee they are petty and will ban you or I even had one just constantly come into my games and kill, harass, and hold the game hostage. Real cool behavior.
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Killers are much more toxic, there's just more survivors in the game.
Look at the forum, count the complaints threads, 70% of them are killer-main complains, although the killerate is 70%, Killers were making several strikes, refusing to play DBD for days, Killers troll every pro-survivor post here with their childish "Bait", they troll Sluzzy, because they don't like what she writes. Killers are the real trolls in DBD.
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Both sides are nearly a match in terms of toxicity. I usually tend to play with friends because more often than whatnot random players I'm paired with tend to grief me and make the game insufferable.
I run the Killer for one or two generators, they do not catch up onto me and drop chase to follow someone else whom they catch onto, I rescue and heal the Survivor in question only for the Killer to drop chase on me later on and chase the previous Survivor again... completely my fault obviously. I had a player argue that to me as the reason why they sandbagged me at the end of a match because "I only hid" even though the Killer did not commit to chases with me because they couldn't catch me. Although I did two generators all by myself and I died on first hook at the end while the Killer gave hatch to the person who sandbagged me (and I made more points than them).
Then, we have that meme that has been circulating about Killer mains who say that people who don't camp or tunnel are newbies that don't know how to play "efficiently". You'll find a lot of people who are just utter negative and horrible in this community... some may be unintentional, but the truth is that all communities will breed this kind of hatred, but I like to believe the good are more than the bad.
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Even if I spend all game farming with survivors they will still wait at the exit gate t-bagging and run out before I get a hit.
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There's a higher chance of finding a toxic survivor than a toxic killer because there are 4 survivors per game. Let's put it this way:
Imagine that every now and then you have at least 1 survivor that's toxic. That's 1/4 of the survivors in one game. Now if you think about it, every 4 games there'll be a chance for a toxic killer. In 1 game the chance is pretty low.
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Nah survivors are more toxic go to any exit gate at the end of a game and find out. And as far as the "survivors being the disadvantaged little guy" riiiight LUL.
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Killers have more power to be toxic in-game, but survivors are exponentially more toxic when it comes to behavior.
They can't really be a match in terms of toxicity, there are 4 survivors in every trial, only one killer. If 25% of players are toxic, then survivors will encounter it 1/4 of trials, killers will statistically encounter it every match.
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That's the thing. You are thinking that Survivors are only toxic to the Killer. Survivors can be pretty toxic to one another too like in the example I mentioned where I was griefed by a teammate for no reason.
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People forget that toxic survivors also like to grief other survivors.
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Im just gonna leave this here
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I would argue that while Killer toxicity has a bigger impact on the match, Survivor toxicity can have a bigger impact on people's mental health.
There was a great Reddit post from a psychologist that talked about it.
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IMO, you're more likely to face toxicity from survivors bc you're matched against 4 of them.
Heck, even when you play survivor, you're 3 times more likely to find a toxic survivor than a toxic killer.
Scott Jund made a video on killer and survivor toxicity and I recommend you watch it. It's actually very nice.
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Ngl I think ScottJund explained it best.
The fact a killer can force a survivor to wait in a match for 4 minutes for their bleed out timer to end is pretty bad. Nothing a survivor can do can even slightly compare to this.
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Survivors can body-block me for the entire match. That's much longer than 4 minutes. Killers can also do this, though so maybe toxicity is neutral.
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Every ghostface T-bags (because they can) if every killer could crouch I'm pretty sure almost all of them would T-bag a slugged survivor... they're not toxic because they can't LOL
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If you are playing a Killer, they cannot body-block you for the entire Match. If you are playing a Survivor, this is true, but a bannable offense - other than slugging someone and let them bleed out for 4 minutes, this is completely fine for the Devs.
Eh, I doubt that either side (or their respective toxicity) has a bigger impact on peoples mental health.
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When it comes to SWFs there's a pretty obvious reason why if one of them is a jerk, the rest will probably be jerks too. If you're a player that doesn't like doing that kind of thing, it's quite simply unfun and honestly pretty cringy to play with someone like that.
Believe me, I've unknowingly played with someone that seemed like a cool and chill person in the past, then they turned out to be an obnoxious crybaby that also expected me to automatically take their side just because I'm playing with them. As a result, I stopped playing with them. I'm sure there's some people out there that almost exclusively consider people's skill level when they decide if they want to play with them or not and they're willing to put up with just about anything to win, but the overwhelming majority wants to play with likeminded people that don't get on their nerves.
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I only dunk when they want to initiate the BM. However, funnily enough, people magically don't want to teabag a Ghostface. So weird, almost as though their bumping and grinding on the concrete is inferior to doing it properly on their face.
It is pretty obvious that people who religiously crouch spam would get offended if you did it to them, which is why erryone gives the face of ghost some respect. It has reduced the tactical crouching in my games by over 90%. You would think he was Superman with such an egregious reduction in ecriminals.
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You hit them once then you can go past them or hit them twice and down them.
This comparison doesn't make sense.
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settle down, chief.
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Reddit psychologist. We're talking about high academia.
If someone's mental health is impacted by a video game, their issue is not DbD itself. And they should seek professional help. Preferably, not from reddit experts.
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Everyone here has played both Survivor and Killer, so that doesn't mean anything. Also you are more likely to see more toxic survivors because you are exposed to 4x more survivors than you would killers, if you for any reason play both roles equally (let's be honest most people don't play both roles equally).
Also survivors have mob mentality so they are more likely to have the courage to bad mouth you at endgame chat because there's four of them to 1 killer.
* Survivors vent their frustrations in endgame chat.
* Killers vent their frustrations on this message board.
This is a proven fact. (and frankly this post is evidence of this)
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I play both sides too & survivor mains refuse to suck up their pride & admit they're way more toxic than killers sometimes. Killers can ruin a game all they want, but they can't turn a 1v4 into a 2v3. People admit daily they put on friends only messaging solely bcuz of toxic survivors.
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Truth. I have never, not even once, gotten lashed in messaging by a Killer. I get it from Survivors about 50% of the time. Even when I'm playing Survivor.
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they cant tbag but they definitely found other ways to express toxicity.
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The idea that survivors are more toxic than killers is primarily based in a crowd bias. There is only killer every game, but 4 survivors for every game. Thats 4 possibly toxic survivors, and only 1 possibly toxic killer every match. By definition, it will always seem like there is a MUCH larger amount of toxic survivors because they are simply the more numerous aspect of the playerbase. There is very likely a similar amount of toxic survs and killers playing the game, the killers are just more spread out between matches.
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If you actually read the post, you wouldn't be so quick to pass judgement.
It actually brings up a lot of very valid points and to discredit it simply because of where it was posted is incredibly foolish.
Video games absolutely have impacts on your mental health. Some people play to escape from their own ######### reality and being humiliated repeatedly in a game isn't an experience they enjoy.
Again, the post explains it better than I can, but I could try, if you like.
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You aren't wrong, I notice this as well. The most toxic people I ever face are console swfs, second to that would be console killers and everyone else after those two.
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I agree. I'm pretty much a 50/50 player and I notice way more BM and just toxic behavior from survivors. Something about only playing survivor makes some people just unpleasant. Like yesterday. This Nea called the killer trash because we got all 5 gens done in like 3 mins and some change and the killer decided to guard the survivor they had hooked because the gates were powered. The killer was like rank 12 and the Nea was rank 4 and obviously a better player, but she got caught like we all do. Instead of just acknowledging and understanding that the gates had power and that the smart thing for the killer to do was guard the hook, the Nea chose to be rude instead of being reasonable.
Then you also have to remember toxic survivors also troll their random solo teammates. Again, yesterday. I had 2 people in a SWF refuse to heal me so I could go save the 4th hooked person. They instead chose to sit in the gate and wait to tbag the killer before they left.
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I find it to be the exact opposite. I guess it all comes down to what you define as toxic, as I've had some randoms who did nothing but hide for the whole match, while me and others were tunneled/worked on gens; others who save you in the killer's face, without BT, and refuse to take a hit; and others who you save and then leave you to die on your first f**king hook. But to me, killers are way more toxic than survivors. It also comes down to the fact that I think of SWF groups as a single guy, other than unskilled individuals, of course. If one of them is toxic, then there are very good chances for the whole "pack" to be toxic as well. Which is why I tend to consider them as a single individual. They tend to do the same things, often together.
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"Survivors can body-block me" as in survivors can block another survivor in. Afaik you can't hit or down another survivor. They also said "Killers can also do this", which wouldn't make sense if they were already talking about killers.
Survivor toxicity also extends to teammates, not just the killer.
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Oh ok I understand now. Just completely misread it. Yes survivors can do that to other survivors which is quite toxic. Either way it seems like survivor is ultimately hit worse by someone being toxic, whether that be other teammates or the killer.
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Both sides are toxic
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This is my experience with the game over 3+ years, so yours might vary
Survivors are much more toxic than killers as someone who plays on both sides.
Its not as little as these "well there's 4 survivors" post are trying to make it seem either. Its not 1 survivor every game and 1 out of every 4 killers on average.
The majority of my games have toxic survivor(s) whether on my team or against. I only bump into an actually toxic killer maybe once every 2-3 days.
If we're talking post game chat then I can count on one hand the number of times a killer has spazzed out at me. But survivors? I lost count.
If you're one of those people who thinks camping, tunneling, ect. are toxic then to you it'll seem like its much more common, when in fact you're viewing things that aren't toxic as toxic. Imagine if survivor mind games were viewed as toxic "omg every survivors toxic", when really its just them using a tactic to extend chase.
Take out all the killers unfairly called toxic for camping, slugging, and tunneling and the "toxic" levels go way down. How often do you bump into a killer who just stands there hitting you on the hook? Not very often. How often do you get a killer who just stands over your body nodding? Again, not very often.
How often do you have survivors waiting at the gates to crouch spam? All the time. Then if you don't show up they stomp their feet and vault spam to try and get you over so they can do it, knowing the noise notification will get spammed and trying to annoy you. To try and be toxic they do something else toxic.
Kinda funny the survivors doing the actually toxic behavior like to slap on the "toxic" label on anything they don't like because they're sensitive and feel entitled for the game to go the way they want so they have fun and can continue to bully.
You try to say anything about it and their team will defend their toxicity or excuse it.
This even extends out of the game by survivors trying to shame killers into not running perks or playing a certain way just because they don't like it. Oh you use NoED, you're "scummy". Oh you tunneled "If you were good you wouldn't tunnel". Ect.
Obviously its not all survivors but its a lot of them unfortunately. To those who aren't, keep doing what you're doing and thank you for being a decent human being.
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In terms of the game results yeah. Survivors can get hit worse, they just don't get hit as often.
In terms of the personal effect the killer is usually hit worse as they are usually already in a state of helplessness or losing when the survivors are being toxic, which magnifies those negative feelings as well as adding on the new ones from said survivors. Mixed in with how often it happens and we have a bad combo.
So in terms of game effects yeah survivor have a higher potential to literally not be able to play or go down due to it. In terms of mental effect, damage, or whatever you want to call it killer is hit much harder. Again, this is in general.
Its part of the reason why people tend to view killer as a lot more stressful and unfun. The toxicity hits much harder on that side due to circumstance and frequency.
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I was playing survivor. A teammate body blocked me whilst I was cleansing a totem.
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Both sides are toxic, but my personal experience is that survivors are more toxic. They also have more tools to show how toxic they are.
When i stream killer ive gotten multiple toxic survivors after a match into my chat being toxic..now that's just sad.. but ive only gotten 1 toxic killer. Who was kinda funny calling me a useless survivor while he was camping and tunneling us down :D
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I am quite confused in this post,most specifically with these terms of toxic,trolling.
I have played many types of video games mostly offline gaming and limited online and i do not understand why people are name calling referring them to toy characters? 🤔
In my play experiences on dbd i find these players more commonly as rude and aggressive and if i am placed in matches with survivors or killers that plays like that i will take myself out of situations like those and find another match and blocks those players asap.
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