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Is Wraith new Bubba?
Personally haven't encountered single Wraith who doesn't act like it's personality trait to be dickhead
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Probably all the Freddy "mains" that abused Forever Freddy and switched to Wraith once he got "nerfed into the ground".
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The only things that really got nerfed were his addons and the reduced snares and palettes. Aside from that and a minor speed decrease when holding a snare, his base kit was left untouched.
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New wraith is what people claim spirit is.
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You can do some big brain stuff with Wraith don't get me wrong, but at base Wraith is a very brainless killer. Zoom around the map until you find the survivor, uncloak and hit survivor then do it again until you win. Make sure to use your invisibility to never leave the hook and it's very easy to see why it's appealing. Out of the five (or seven on consoles) free killers he is the easiest to use.
I don't find it satisfying to win as Wraith though. I'd much rather down someone as Trapper and have the person coming in for the flashlight save step in a trap. This game has so many kino moments you miss when the survivors can't see or interact with you outside of the chase.
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I know,some people were just overdramatic with that nerf and claimed that he's way worse now
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If anything the new Bubba would be PTB Trickster, both are next level unfair, Trickster is probably even worse.
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Wraith is free, easy to learn, and has very good addons.
The whole braindead invitation package :D
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Having a few "easy" Killers is probably a good strategy for new players.
Wraith cannot do the one thing Bubba can do. Facecamp and down a healthy survivor and the injured survivor in one fell swoop.
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Every single survivor will say this about every single killer at least once
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I'm assuming these Wraiths are playing completely normal, and you're just projecting this a-hole caricature on them because they down you. I have a friend who acts just like that. I could be wrong though.
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Are we comparing Wraith to random killers now? I swear I've seen threads comparing him to Spirit and Freddy.
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Pretty much, Wraith is in that same area of strength-to-effort ratio so it makes sense that people wanting to dominate others to feel good about themselves would be playing him.
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People complained that Wraith was weak and add-on dependant, so the devs magically listened and buffed him. Now they complain that Wraith is OP, or too easy and needs a nerf?
Come on, people gotta stop somewhere. Why is it the one time the devs listen to us, which is rare by itself, they receive even more complaints?
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Because the ones that asked for a Wraith buff, were killer players.
While the ones that ask for a nerf are survivor players.
Doesn´t matter what they do, one side will always be mad.
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Another one of those...
Is wraith new spirit?
Is wraith new freddy?
Are we making a series or whats going on
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The never-ending dispute again, huh? Fair enough.
It is truly sad to think that it takes the absolute worst changes possible to unite the community.
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Can’t we all just get along<3
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The dispute will never go away. Some people will just always stick to 1 role and never even try to play or understand the other role.
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I mained Wraith, before they "buffed" him the first time, the second time and the third time.
Survivors are bending over and taking it atm, but mostly because they are not being aggressive vs the Wraith. You can do better.
May I remind you that a simple Flashbang from Leon takes him out of Cloak?
Also Lithe and Windows of Opportunity will keep you safe. Don't forget Spine Chill too. Good luck.
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Eh probably just the fact bad survivors hit ranks they dont belong, cant handle it and just complain about most of the killer roster. Wraith is fine
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Well yeah he is, like i said in an other discussion he has the mobility of Billy and the lethality of Bubba.
His boost from uncloacking is a bit too strong as it cover an entire loop length most of the time, forcing survivors to predrop pallet like they would do against a Bubba. Add to that the fact he can cloack super fast, catch up to you and bodyblock vaults. Honestly he has little counterplay now, and many people ######### about Dead Hard (i don't use it at all) but i can see it being a good counter to his surprise attack. He got his cloack invisibility buffed which makes him harder to see coming aswell.
+ what i describe is the non-addon Wraith, so i let you imagine the one with the best addons. The only thing that stops him from being an A+ Tier killer is the fact he has to uncloack before attacking. But honestly it's not even a downside. Nurse that is S Tier has a fatigue that hinder her more -in term of catching up after miscalculating- than uncloaking.
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I think the problem with Wraith is that it's the people who play it, not really the killer itself.
Sure he is easy, but is that a problem? Not every Killer needs the level of technical skill Huntress or Deathslinger has.
The people who call killers brainless for choosing these killers honestly needs to take a chill pill.
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Wraith having the lethality of freaking BUBBA.
Bubba a killer who can literally chainsaw down the entire survivor team before wraith's Basic attack cooldown is over!
This is getting silly now.
What next are you going to say LEGION has the lethality of Bubba as well? As thats about as much of an extreme difference in lethality as Wraith has with Bubba.
Edit: Even the billy speed comparison is silly as billy's chainsaw sprint is 230% or a 115% increase meanwhile wraiths is only at 150% or a 35% movement speed increase. The speeds aren't even comparable.
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You know i just gave my opinion, that doesn't mean you cannot disagree but at least you could respect it and the person behind it and not answering in such a condescendant and agressive way.
Yes Bubba can down multiple survivors but by lethality i meant at loops, where the use of the ability of both forces the survivors to predrop pallets in order to avoid getting hit. Because they both share that. You talked about Legion as a way to mock my argument but Legion doesn't have anything to do with other killer and especially not Wraith because Legion isn't a chase killer but a control one, like Plague.
As for the Billy Speed, yes Billy is faster you are right about that, but no other mobility killer could fit the comparaison and to voice an opinion when the topic is "is Wraith the new Bubba" it ask for comparaison, so i only could choose Billy.
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I brought up legion as BOTH Legion and Wraith are hit and run type of killers who can keep survivors injured very easily.
Wraith is more lethal then legion but Bubba is #1 and always has been, with only empowered Oni/Corrupt Purge plague being comparable in downing power at loops.
At loops Bubba can both instant down a survivor AND break the pallet at the same time while having an AoE attack.
Bubba's looping lethality is extremely high with their only real comparison between Wraith and Bubba's looping being that they are both weak to windows while using their power.
As for the billy part it really should have been left out as its very misleading to how fast wraith actually is.
Trust me I have seen these false comparisons like this billy one spread like wild fire here which is why I tried to disprove it so quickly.
Sorry if I come across as hostile. I didn't mean to and I am sorry.
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bruh ı was checking forums and you are everywhere if there is wraith word in a page you are wraith main ı suppose
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Wait, how do you down a survivor and break a pallet? Usually when I hit the pallet, it cancels the chainsaw.
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Depends on how you hit them but its rather buggy on how it does it.
Its supposed to saw the survivor then the pallet if the survivor is vaulting but doesn't always do it.
I'm not a Wraith main. Wraith's honestly a killer I rarely play but I really don't like people misleading others to try to make their arguments.
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Good luck with this forum. Pretty sure more than half of the users here don't care about facts and just wanna push whatever annoyed them in-game to be nerfed.
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It's ok ^^ I guess the fact i maybe played Billy 10 times in 1.7K hours makes my knowledge about him pretty wonky ahah
As for Legion, yeah he is a hit and run killer but honestly he is the least lethal killer there is and his power doesn't do anything in chase while Wraith power was basically hit and run and become chased oriented in a similar style to Bubba ^^
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Yeah, or Spirit. They go wherever they can win with a killer, without actually having to learn how to play
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Problem was that it’s a lazy buff. It’s just a ‘buff the numbers’ affair, instead of actually reworking him like Doctor. He wasn’t designed with this massive speed increase in mind, so add ons that were strong before, are now extremely oppressive and unfun to play against. All seeing blood and the silent bell have to be replaced, he doesn’t need these OP add ons that he’s a competent killer.
They should’ve given him a reason to stay uncloaked as part of the rework, but no, it’s just a lazy buff.
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I don't think misleading is the right word this is just what we think
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Wraith feasibly cannot be the new bubba because he lacks innate lethality, hes still a basic M1 killer. The problem comes in his extreme mobility and mega ez resource wasting. If wraith cloaks at a loop, you HAVE to pre drop the pallet, every, single, time. Hes not strong in basic chase, hes strong because he can rapdily move around the map and remove pallets quickly. Bubba on the other hand is widely hated because its exceptionally unfun to be chased by him, getting caught out in the open is a death sentence. I'd say wraith is more like pre-nerf freddy. Every ######### killer is lining up in droves for their ez 4k
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A "lazy buff" is much better than a "rework" and what they did to Wraith was the right thing to do. He still is the same killer, just faster.
As for his add-ons, I suppose they could indeed see a change, but they are not game breaking like Infinite Mending Legion and Old Prayer Beads, they are just strong.
Most complaints are from people refusing to adapt and change their playstyle, as it always has been.
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Nerfed into the ground = I might need to run 2 braincells together now lol
that said I agree with you. Reminds me of how Billy became "unplayable" but people weren't complaining about overheat, they were complaining about the actually BS instasaw being removed.
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I just wanna say that even though I agree with the nerfs Freddy got.
I don't know if his pallets deserved to be made worse than it already is.
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The pallets are strange to me. They are pretty much a guaranteed loss in the long term of a match for Freddy, but as a survivor there is almost no way of actually knowing if they're real or fake. Turning an area where he's set up into a pseudo Spirit level chase.
Personally I hate the fake pallets and don't really see an incentive to ever use them.
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Just wait till 6 knife Trickster is all over the place, a lot of skillful gameplay on the way.
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I don't main wraith but I disagree with this post in every way. I played a trial with him last night and despite being faster and having a SLIGHTY longer lunge then his former self his uncloak speed is terrible. When the survivor is running they can get out of range of the lunge (assuming not running uncloak speed add-ons). Now staying at a loop is probably a death sentence but he is only as powerful as his add-ons oh and still has to hit you twice but not Bubba.
Also Legion is very lethal you get quick hits on most if not all the team but where he is really lethal is lots of survivors assume after you Frenzy them that you are going after someone else so cancelling your power and body blocking them is very Lethal. This can also be used in chase to catch up then block them in a unsafe spot, cancel power, down they go. Is Legion as powerful as bubba in chase NO and not as good as wraith but very Lethal in the right hands.
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Will still need skill for me. His knives are flat terrible on console. Those knives have a mind of their own and we do not get along.
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LOL
But I actually have more fun against Bubbas than Wraiths now. I've always had fun against Bubba, and he has counters (unless he just blatantly facecamps). Wraiths? I get hit during my 150% Balanced Landing burst now (I had to stop using Dead Hard since the game is borderline unplayable on console). If a Wraith has any idea of what they're doing, you wont see them, you can't hear them, and they're so fast you will be hit, period. It's just not fun to play against. They went too far with his buff.
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