Dbd isn't scary anymore :(

Thats demonstrably false....

I've been in everything from Dino Crisis to Resident Evil to Outlast...good horror games only lose their fear factor after you've memorized them.

This game on the other hand....the enemies can't be memorized because they're played by actual people. Theres no excuse for this game to lose fear factor, except it has....over time....I've watched it....burn away...little...by little. And the reason its burned away is due to coddling, nerfs, and giving tells to the survivor player too much, under the guise of (improving solo queue experience) when in actuality its done nothing but take away from the overall theme of the game. Every stealth killer was given huge sound queues and tells so people could see them coming. And most of the threats that made killers dangerous and build tension have been removed or a perk on the survivors side is created to negate a threat and negate tension.

It isn't like this game didn't used to be scary or have tension. It used to....damn near every single game, especially against jump scare killers. Past 2 years though..its been thrown down the drain in exchange for FORTNITE SKINS! And happy go lucky themes. Don't take my word for it...just go back and look at old DBD videos (from players not click hungry content creators) The ambiance, mood, character themes, costume choices ARE NIGHT AND DAY! And the way survivors would play WAS NIGHT AND DAY. They had more of a sense of self preservation and immersion because it was way easier to die as a survivor.

Yeah, I remember being new to the game. The terror radius was scary, not hearing the terror radius and wondering if a Wraith or Myers is stalking you was scary, staying injured was scary. Eventually when you learn the game and realise where to run and how to loop tiles, you don't get scared because you know what you have to do. You lose that unsureness. And that's not just for DBD, it's any horror game you play long enough to memorise. Resident Evil is a good example, the first time you play through those the jumpscares will get you. But if you're playing it again you know exactly when they're going to happen. DBD might be a different kind of game to RE or Outlast, but it's no exception to this. The only thing that scares me in-game anymore is setting off Hag traps when you aren't expecting it. And perhaps the occasional Myers or Ghostface.

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I used to be scared to play survivor during that time. The game was at its peak. Now adays though playing survivor feels cheap, I can run all the meta perks and just drop pallets early and never die, so I mainly play killer for 2 reasons, A because I like the role, and B because I feel like if at least 1 killer is still TRYING to keep things spicey survivor players coming into the game won't be completely bored, given the limitations of what a killer can even do. But even now adays I'm starting to feel like not even bothering with that anymore because the devs won't even try to meet halfway so you as the killer can provide even a little tension, fear, and entertainment to survivors.

The game used to feel like dressing up as a big horror villain in one of the nations best haunted houses that would send people into actual panic and fear.

Now it just feels like killer is a haunted house usher in a haunted house made for 5 year olds where the patrons casually walk by and say hi and you in your "monster suit" reach down and say hello to peoples toddlers and give them hugs and candy.....ITS BULL #########!

I agree with what you're saying, I just don't understand why you replied to me with a huge paragraph that isn't relevant to what I was talking about lol. My comment was about the actual scare factor of the game. And the unsureness I was referring to is about being new and not knowing how to play the game correctly (e.g. where do I run to, what did this sound cue mean, where are the gens, etc.), instead of whether or not you can escape. Personally I don't think it's scary to not know how the killer is going to play because different people are playing them each match.

I think there are different types of scary in DBD. It's scary when a Hag trap pops up when you aren't ready for it. It's also scary versing a really good Nurse player. But they are different feelings. I assumed OP was referring to the first one, and that's what my comment was about.

Don't even get me started on ghostface...I had a lot of hope for him when there were leaks of his kit and the possibility of him being a stealth killer....and then all of his brooding potential went down the drain when I realized that even while stealth YOU CAN HEAR HIS DAMN FLAPPY BIRD COSTUME FROM ACROSS THE GODS DAMN STREET! And a PTB that released where you could break his god damn stealth and not even realize you were looking at him.

go play any horror game, lets just say Outlast for the fun of it, for more than 2k hours.

i guarantee you dying will no longer be scary to you, it will have shifted into an annoyance.

you wont be sitting in a locker, frightened with the thought "omg please no, if he opens this door i will have to replay this entire section again!", your thoughts are going to be a lot more like this "i swear i will quit this damn game if the randomly checks my locker again. i am so sick of playing this section over and over".

that is, simply put, exactly the point DbD has reached over the years. Dying has turned from a frightening thought you want to avoid at any cost into an annoyance that wont let you get your 5k "escaped" BP.

and thats nothing unique to DbD, its just that you will usually play most horror games once and then stop, because they dont really have anything new to offer to you. DbD on the other hand is build as a game you will repeatedly come back to, so you will get to exactly that point eventually, while a game like Outlast wont have you reach that point (unless you're someone who tries to go for like a 100% achievements playthrough / speedrun of it), which makes it feel like this was a phenomeon unique to DbD, when in reality it simply isnt.

also...

that is literally in the game already.

you just grew dull to it eventually for the exact same reason as to why you no longer find it scary: you've simply seen it too many times now.

once again, lets take Outlast as an example: go and repeatedly watch the scene where the Doctor cuts off your fingers. i guarantee you after you've watched it like 100 times in a row, you will just shrug it off, it will have lost all shock and scare factor it originally had. and 100, in comparison to the amount of trials in DbD, is quite a low number.

It was one of the most disappointing things for me about this game. Game has become just a sports catch-up.

>while other people complain about Killers being OP and too oppressive. Those arguments go into different directions as making the Killer more dangerous would make him more oppressive.

So maybe don't need to listen to them so much? This is an asymmetrical game and players' voices must also have an asymmetrical weight. These players are already deformed, they see the game as a sport that they want to win easily. Now every second survivor is toxic, that is, he takes pleasure in laughing at the enemy's failures. Of course, they don't want to see killers strong, because then they will not be able to stick out before their eyes whole match. When I started playing survivor, I had 95 deaths in 100 matches. But I didn't go to complain about killers' OP, but adapted and tried to learn how to survive. Isn't that what survival is all about?

I'm not even talking about Mori. Ask killer players what is one of the most frustrating things about this game? That you are playing as a killer. But no one is afraid of you. Not even real players, but even the characters they control. Game is so structured that survivor can run away from killer for almost the entire match, making a click click and tbag, and stay alive all the time. Can you imagine this in real life? Any horror movie other than parodies? Have you seen in at least one serious film an idiot who specially dresses up in a bright clown costume and calls killer? Yes, it happened. Only there they died first. Because people with idiotic behavior must die. Those who are afraid must survive. Because fear forces you to be careful. And that's one of things that ruins horror atmosphere the most. Because playing as a killer, you can still be immersed in the atmosphere. But idiotic behavior destroys it. Because it’s unrealistic.

There should definitely be chases in this game. But they should not be so crucial that they determine entire outcome of match. Players should be afraid to be found early. And pay more attention to stealth. This will make them be more careful and benefit atmosphere. Most of the time I still play survivors this way. You shouldn't be sure that if you can run well, that's enough. Survival must be ensured by stealth + running skills + using brains for caution. Now it is 90% loop-to-loop skill and press m1 on gens.

2 years ago, most clown-acting players died quickly in my killer games. Therefore, I have seen much less of this than now. Their number has increased two times. After nerf Ruin. And after nerf Mori. And no, I haven't used mori often. 265 in 3280 hours. Some of which are from perks and yellow. 90% used offerings if I saw toxic blacklisted players in lobby.

Also, a greater realism of emotions could remove the atmosphere of idiocy. Because even if you're a tbag and click, but your character really screams in horror, it won't look so stupid.

@Mister_xD

>so you're saying that this game being balanced and fair is a bad thing?

Game is not balanced right now. Most of the time, if survivors know how to play it and all four of them are like that, match is ridiculously easy.

>i can guarantee you, even if they buffed every Killer to be ridiculously OP and unbeatable, people wont be scared of them. They will be annoyed at best and just quit the game at worst.

I've played a streak of matches on almost every killer in this game. And I came to the conclusion that I'm not interested in buying new killers. I bought last 3 chapters with Iridescent Shards. Because some killers are weak in principle. For the rest, you need a lot of experience just to compete with normal survivors. In reality, this means that you need to select one or some main-charasters. And play only on them. Otherwise, you will be just a clown who entertains survivors and acts as a whipping boy. Except when matchmaking throws weak survivors on you so that you sometimes win and don't feel butthurt so much. But I am not happy with victories over pseudo-green ranks. But even on your Mains, you will periodically be a powerless clown who will be bullied for most a part of match. You can make them pay only at the end by killing one or two. It just will happen less often.

Do not misunderstand me. I don't want -4 in every game. I want to see characters trying to survive, not brazen presumptuous hooligans who need to be put in their place.

Many other players I know have made the same conclusions. Just do a survey of those who quit playing killers and why. So as you can see, many are already annoyed and just quit the game.

>that is literally in the game already.

>you just grew dull to it eventually for the exact same reason as to why you no longer find it scary: you've simply seen it too many times now.

No, it’s not like that. Emotions and animations of fear are pretty poor in this game. They are very far from realistic. Just compare with a chase scene in a movie or game like "Until Dawn" for example. Many details could be added to voiceovers and animations. The phrase at the first meeting "oh my god" or otherwise, short whoop at start of chase, "help me" when meeting another survivor in chasing. A random animation of a nervous peek back. Random run stumbling animation. Etc.

There are a million things can think of and do. Different weather, let's say rain with a thunderstorm. Or imagine a sudden, random blackout on a map. Everything plunges into darkness for a while and the terror of killer disappears. This will definitely cause anxiety. Sometimes killers spare survivors. Why not add this as a mechanic? Survivor can beg for mercy and killer can accept this, receiving a stun for 5 seconds and additional BP. Can add BP-category "artistry" for emotional actions from survivors like this. Let survivor characters have a random chance to fall in love with another in a match. With an extra reward for saving her/him. Or inability to escape without a partner while he is alive, and in the event of his death, an unmasking cry occurs. Or rage, which allows you to stun killer once. In a word, can add more drama. All this can be measured out in a not too big dose, so that it does not become annoying.

One of few things that still little scares me in this game is Myers. Why? Due to unexpected discovery that he is watching at you for tier up or a sudden appearance in your face. It's done really well. And also because of music of chase, it sounds like a siren, which causes alarm at the subconscious level. Because that's what works for atmosphere. Atmosphere is exactly what this game needs to add at least some horror to it.

Maybe fix that a little by making NOED a base kit mechanic and not a hex perk? It'd make the end game pretty scary, right?

I don’t think it’s for the reasons you gave. I think it’s entirely based on the player, just like a good number of other games.

So what do I mean? I remember my first DBD match. It was against a Doctor. I thought about DC’ing when I saw him walk past and it scared me. When he came close to me, found me, I DC’d.

Wow, scary! What do I do as a survivor now? Chase the killer, Flashlight click, and screw around while being altruistic. It’s not the developers fault, it’s that dead by daylight is a Tom & Jerry game.

The killer is more afraid of the survivors than the survivors are afraid of him 🤣

It's not a "scary" horror game. It's an atmospheric horror game, celebrating icons of horror media alongside original characters.

In my opinion it's normal just like everyone said about it losing the fear factor overtime, i started playing when clown came out and 2 or 3 weeks later i stopped getting scared from everything. Once you learn how the game works you start seeing the killer as just your opponent instead of the "scary killer".

https://youtu.be/n8s_njr58jo take this 😀

Im looking at a playlist with all sound effects from a year ago, the sound that played when the game started and the camera was rotating is still ingame? I got a wave of nostalgia hearing this one.

No, it isn't. It was a very eerie sound, like murmurs or whispers of agony.

I miss this sound, adding more ambience sounds wouldn't fix the lack of fear but it would certainly help.