End game camping...
Why has this become the norm lately? In the last 20 games i've played, killers have either proxy camped or end game camped after rarely getting hooks or gen pressure. I'd say it's a little over 60/40 in favor of end game hook camping.
Are killers just less skilled than they used to be?
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Yeah killer has to leave hook and check gates. Then survivors can save their teammate safely. This from Survivor Rulebook. Page 159, rule 923
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... because walking away from the hook is a free escape for that survivor. If survivors come for the save, the killer may get them as well. If not, then at least they got the one kill. If gens are done, the killer has no reason to leave the hook and every reason to stay.
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Wait.... Were the gens done or no?
Cause if so then yea it's become a thing
If not then IDK to be honest... Maybe the killer decided that the gens are going to be done...
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Nowhere did I say a killer has to do anything. What I asked is why are killers camping end game so much more lately.
Is it because the skill level has decreased?
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If you as a killer, get crapped on all game, and decide "Hey, I'm going to camp this 1 survior because I need at least 1 kill" maybe you should play another game around your skill level. Peharps Minecraft?
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It’s a reliable strategy. Quit expecting killers to follow your made up rules.
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But other survivors usually come for the save. Killers can net three or even four kills just from survivors attempting to save the one. It makes tactical sense to use altruism against the opponent when possible. At the end of the match, there's nothing else for the killer to do.
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become the norm ######### are we meant to do? you survivors do talk so much ######### il just walk away shall i stand in the corner and let you unhook them ... lol when the survivors are all running round the hook or me
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Again, if you aren't good enough to get the kills during the match, maybe you should play another game.
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You could, I dunno, get better at the game. Hook people and practice your chases. The fact that you believe camping end game is the answer, shows you lack the skills in all other aspects of the game.
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If you aren't good enough to not get downed at the EGC, maybe you should play another game.
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This is not about skilled. Sometimes killer can lose gens early and maybe they had to camp for win. Or maybe they just wanna chill, camping game is so easy for killer and chill. I can list more.
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Well, make sure to tell the killers that in the future. I'm sure they'll appreciate the friendly unbiased advice. Or maybe suggest to the devs that the match should just end immediately when the last gen is done, since you seem to think that is when the match ends.
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This has been the norm literally since release
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Yes, killers are less skilled. Survivors too. I think the RE chapter brought in tons of new players. I am shocked by how bad my teammates are and I ######### despise rank reset now. It's not me being ranked with other veteran players that just don't grind out the hours every month, it's teammates who can't hit skill checks and let people die on their first hook when that poor soul is using Kindred and I'm being chased.
In most endgame situations, I don't blame killers for camping. They think it's the only way they will get that kill and don't want to risk trying to get more and lose the one. It usually doesn't work against decent survivors, but people have the mentality that kills are all that matters, so what can you do? I mean, apart from running BT, which I do almost always, because most killers camp and tunnel the entire time, not just endgame.
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Sounds like a perfect response. As a killer, already having all the advatages, if you chase someone long enough, you will down them. Most of the time killers will forfeit that last gen pop to tunnel for the end game hook. Most killers are apparently mediocre to low skilled though. These forums clearly show that.
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By the time you make it from the hook to the gate the survivors will be gone, the only sensible objective at that point is to force survivors into a risky unhook so you can attempt to play off that, it's not killers being mean it's killers being practical.
Don't get caught at the end of the game if you don't have alturistic team mates or just accept you ain't escaping but at least you have an entire games worth of blood points to fall back on.
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Camping endgame is the right move to make. If they are actively chasing that is far more indicative of a baby killer then endgame camping
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You realize there are entire builds based around egc ? Christ anytime I run a fun egc build I'm secure in the knowledge that I'm a good guy because the survivors get the whole match to make their bp/pips before the boss battle begins but there's always someone no matter what, one ######### who still finds a way to cry about what you're doing, I'd say don't be that guy but it's too late.
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Shocking, Killer mains who ######### and complain about BT and DS, are defending end game camping as the only viable option to pulling a kill out of a ######### game. Not improving their skill.
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If you, as a survivor, can't handle end game camping, perhaps you should find a new game. It seems like you made this thread just to crap on killers because they did something that you don't like, even though it is sanctioned by the creators of the game. Camping does not mean unskilled, especially in this game.
Camping during end game is the best choice for the killer as long as they're not a high mobility killer with the ability to quickly down someone. Not everyone plays Nurse, Blight or Billy. With the many large maps, pallet cities like The Game, and Prove Thyself, multiple tool boxes, and brand new parts, it's near impossible to not camp, proxy camp or slug unless you're a top tier killer.
Maybe next time, you or whoever got hooked during endgame should learn to loop or stealth better. No one is entitled to escape just because they were able to M1 for most of the match.
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What do you want them to do? And its not 'much more lately'. They legit have no reason to leave the hook. If they know you got EG powered or EGC starts and they leave, they only hurt themselves. They have no idea where all the other survivors are, if theyre close and just waiting, or far away and running back. A kill or 2 is better than 0 kills altogether. You can't blame them for it. They are counting on the teammates to come back and try to save. You call them mediocre/low skilled but thats just the smart play. You asking this question shows you have no idea what you're talking about and you're just mad.
Anyways, you got your answer. G'day sir.
Post edited by EQWashu on8 -
There have actually been times where not camping got me more kills than camping did especially during endgame
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Rofl, these forums.
Now the Killer can't camp at the start of the match. Or at mid-match. And now, not even at end game, or they're 'bad at the game' and should 'play another game'.
Lordy, some Survivors are so entitled; they just think they should have every unhook handed to them.
Guess what? After gens pop is still 'during a match', so the Killer can still kill you, and camp his kills. Crazy, I know.
But this is more evidence that entitled Survivors invented 'after 5 gens pop' as the arbitrary 'We won' line and actually think this is true. 😂
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It's actually a sign that you lack the skill in any other aspect of the game, and have to resort to standing around a hook for a kill.
Super talented you are...
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Have you tried not getting caught by the killer? Sounds like you need to improve your own skills.
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Improve your skills and dont get catch in egc. Simple. You are wellcome for my great advice!
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The killer skill level has gone down since the RE chapter, but endgame camping hasn’t become any more common.
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Yeah, sure; not giving away my kill in the end game when I literally have nowhere else to be is the BAD idea.
Just more pathetic peer pressure insults in a sad attempt to control how Killers play. Try something new. 😂
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Or you could practice chases, and actually get better.
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As the game becomes more developed, people begin to learn more and more efficient tactics. Since endgame camping allows the killer to keep the kill, and not camping puts the kill in massive risk, there's no reason to leave. Killers starting this now isn't the problem, the problem is that it took this long for people to catch on.
There's still a plethora of great killers, if the killers you're going against are worse than that's either on the matchmaking, or it's on you.
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And you could stop whining about Killer tactics, and actually get better. 🤙
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Bait thread. My guess, OP Tbagged a few pallets, clicky clicky, got focused on by a killer, camped during EGC, died, and came to the forums to make a bait post.
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Fr killers need to stop complaining and take that L. I should be allowed to escape when the gates are open.
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Bad guess. Killers are just that bad lately.
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Endgame camping (when all gens are done, and maybe with the gates open) has no relevance to either skillful or a lack of skill. There's no link. It is, however, a tactic which is actually the best one when the gates are opened.
This is because some survivors want to get that final save before the escape, and by using the hooked survivor as bait they hope to lure in others with the chance of getting a more than just that hook. Also, if survivors do swarm around, it would be completely stupid for any killer to leave their post, unless they're feeling friendly.
So it's a tactic, with no relation to skill in any way, shape or form. However, if a survivor believes it's because the killer isn't skillful, then rescuing the hooked survivor should be a piece of cake!
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chase who? survivors running at you while the gens are powered? and survivors on the hook. your playing the wrong kind of game if you expect a killer to just walk away when its end game
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It is what it is. Killer has nothing to do. It's not about skill, it's basically why would the killer leave. There is no objective at that point. Anything goes.
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O? Then what is the killer supposed to do during EGC? Gates are opened, BT, body blocking, and exhaustion perks are a thing. One smack on a healthy survivor gives them the boost needed to make it to the gate. The majority of killers can't catch up to that. If the killer camps the hook, they can, at the very least, swap downs. It's the right play to make, unless the killer is using an EGC build and baiting Blood Warden.
So, what, in your view, is the killer supposed to do at that point? Wait at the gates and wave you all through? Again, sounds like you got camped by the killer, and ran over here to create this biased thread about it. Unfortunately, you aren't open to discussion. Your replies have been incredibly antagonistic, as you aren't getting the responses you expect.
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It’s matchmaking, I went from playing against a competitive player to a total baby, there’s zero consistency.
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It's a little annoying but that is why I run Borrowed Time in every match.
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Closing this thread as the OP has been argumentative. While camping is a hot button topic (and a reminder is a strategy and not reportable per our game rules), it can be discussed in a civil and respectful manner.
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